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Olsen sounded pretty pissed this morning. Ours had a community theme behind it, we had an arts company coming in and one other thing which I forgot.
It sounded pretty good for tge community.

Instead they will get concrete dog boxes.

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Olsen sounded pretty pissed this morning. Ours had a community theme behind it, we had an arts company coming in and one other thing which I forgot.
They has some Allied Health options planned also.
Crows were always going to be behind the 8 ball given they didn't have the $'s to compete with housing development and it was pleasing to hear that they were very community and business focused in their plans but $'s win out. I can't help but think though with the other developments going on in Bowden area (Nightingale, Tapestry, and I think theres some around the old Conroys site also), that they missed a huge opportunity for large green open space for exisiting and new residents.

The local member for the area (Malinaskas) sounds supportive of the Crows tender and is trying to meet with RSA as to why their selection is "best for the community". Not sure if much will come of it tho. Apparently Marshall/Lucas would need to approve the RSA meeting.
 
“an interstate developer come in and use SA land.”

C’mon.
All developers have their development space looking **** to sell the apartments ....everything well maintained UNTIL the developer's made their profits ......after that they couldn't give a **** about the space
 

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All developers have their development space looking ** to sell the apartments ....everything well maintained UNTIL the developer's made their profits ......after that they couldn't give a ** about the space
As I said, once all is sold and developers have money in their pockets, it's just time before that whole region becomes a high density slum.
 
As I said, once all is sold and developers have money in their pockets, it's just time before that whole region becomes a high density slum.
Absolutely true .....expectation is Council takes over responsibility
 
As I said, once all is sold and developers have money in their pockets, it's just time before that whole region becomes a high density slum.
I think the properties will degrade quicker than old apartments did, but it's Bowden - the value will sustain and it will never be a slum.

The new greenfields development north of Adelaide on the other hand....
 
We still have not established that as truth.

Bit of conflicting advice
SANFL would have a lease for Thebarton oval now ....someone has to pay the council

Whether SANFL continues is debateable ......best scenario is Crows hold the head lease on the area, and sublease a portion to te SANFL .....but this goes against the grain of how the SANFL wants to operate ....they want to maintain "some" control over the Crows, making them subserviant to the SANFL .....if only by appearances
 
SANFL would have a lease for Thebarton oval now ....someone has to pay the council

Whether SANFL continues is debateable ......best scenario is Crows hold the head lease on the area, and sublease a portion to te SANFL .....but this goes against the grain of how the SANFL wants to operate ....they want to maintain "some" control over the Crows, making them subserviant to the SANFL .....if only by appearances

SANFL have a peppercorn lease with the City of West Torrens I am guessing it would be around 20k a year, maybe less.

Then when we approach the SANFL about sub-leasing Thebarton from them

 
SANFL would have a lease for Thebarton oval now ....someone has to pay the council

Whether SANFL continues is debateable ......best scenario is Crows hold the head lease on the area, and sublease a portion to te SANFL .....but this goes against the grain of how the SANFL wants to operate ....they want to maintain "some" control over the Crows, making them subserviant to the SANFL .....if only by appearances
Apologies wrong track, thought we talking West Lakes 🙏
 
I checked out the MAB Corporation’s plan for Brompton and I was overcome by a wave of nostalgia.

The heritage design reminded me of the taxi ride from the airport to Red Square. The endless rows of apartment buildings with the occasional 🌲 amongst all the concrete.

Do we have a secret plan to “reclaim” the Northern Territory?
 
SANFL would have a lease for Thebarton oval now ....someone has to pay the council

Whether SANFL continues is debateable ......best scenario is Crows hold the head lease on the area, and sublease a portion to te SANFL .....but this goes against the grain of how the SANFL wants to operate ....they want to maintain "some" control over the Crows, making them subserviant to the SANFL .....if only by appearances

I think this is where it gets complicated, and maybe at the end of the day if the dollars make sense it doesn't matter, but I think it does and we definetely shouldn't place ourselves below the SANFL and potentially even the amatour league after all is said and done.

Sometimes it's mentioned we'd work with the SANFL, now it seems more of the messaging is that we'd start negotiations with the council and then the SANFL.

What concerns me is earlier when the SANFL released their plans it was to build "an AFLW compliant venue and establish the stadium as the second home of football to Adelaide Oval". That made it sound like we'd get to place our building somewhere and they'd control the entire precint.

But they we're just talking about an 18 million dollar redevelopment, surely with the money we'd be looking to spend, those plans are scrapped and we take the lead.

Just from a feeling like a home ground point of view I don't like the sound of anything that's not, we'll control and make the money from our events, you have your umpire training and make the money from your events.

I can't see the SANFL getting there, but if they do maybe it can work.
 

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Some interesting details from Tim Silvers.


Some worthwhile perspective, there.
  • 17 out of 18 clubs are on leased property, not freehold. Which, on reflection, makes sense. How many clubs could afford to outright buy that sort of area?
  • Working with the SANFL to make it a proper "football hub". Maybe ideally we'd be there on our own, but with the right arrangements it could be more than tolerable, maybe even beneficial, provided...

SANFL would have a lease for Thebarton oval now ....someone has to pay the council

Whether SANFL continues is debateable ......best scenario is Crows hold the head lease on the area, and sublease a portion to te SANFL .....but this goes against the grain of how the SANFL wants to operate ....they want to maintain "some" control over the Crows, making them subserviant to the SANFL .....if only by appearances
IMO the AFC has to be the head tenant, with the SANFL as the subtenant, and surely that would be the way to go, surely even the SANFL can see that it'd be absurd to have an AFL club subletting from a lower-tier league. That's non-negotiable. The SANFL can have a piece of the massively improved facilities.

I know we're all paranoid about the SANFL, but this can be made to work just fine.
 
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What concerns me is earlier when the SANFL released their plans it was to build "an AFLW compliant venue and establish the stadium as the second home of football to Adelaide Oval". That made it sound like we'd get to place our building somewhere and they'd control the entire precint.
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I wonder how much of the area the SANFL's lease covers aside from the Thebby Oval and immediate boundary.

If the SANFL lease doesn't cover King's Reserve, the bowls club area and other sections, maybe we can get a Head lease directly from the WTC on an area big enough for oval, additional training area/small oval and building space so we'd be neighbours with the SANFL but wont be under their control.
 
They has some Allied Health options planned also.
Crows were always going to be behind the 8 ball given they didn't have the $'s to compete with housing development and it was pleasing to hear that they were very community and business focused in their plans but $'s win out. I can't help but think though with the other developments going on in Bowden area (Nightingale, Tapestry, and I think theres some around the old Conroys site also), that they missed a huge opportunity for large green open space for exisiting and new residents.

The local member for the area (Malinaskas) sounds supportive of the Crows tender and is trying to meet with RSA as to why their selection is "best for the community". Not sure if much will come of it tho. Apparently Marshall/Lucas would need to approve the RSA meeting.

Gee whiz not bad having the incoming Premier on your side. Is there an appeal process? I find it a bit bizarre that we’re giving up this easily.


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Gee whiz not bad having the incoming Premier on your side. Is there an appeal process? I find it a bit bizarre that we’re giving up this easily.


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No appeals process, and even if there was... A bunch of Renewal SA businessmen aren't going to change their minds.

I like Malinauskas, but currently he's the opposition leader and as such can say what he likes with impunity really. Once they get in and he looks at the books, it'll be very hard for him to knock back a large number of money sacks.
 
Gee whiz not bad having the incoming Premier on your side.
He's posturing. His "support" means nothing.
Is there an appeal process? I find it a bit bizarre that we’re giving up this easily.
It's not a court case, or a Public Service job application. It is (was) a tender process. And frankly, given the $$$ involved it's pretty easy to understand how we lost out.

It's not a question of "giving up", it's a question of taking the L and getting on with it.
 
Some worthwhile perspective, there.
  • 17 out of 18 clubs are on leased property, not freehold. Which, on reflection, makes sense. How many clubs could afford to outright buy that sort of area?
  • Working with the SANFL to make it a proper "football hub". Maybe ideally we'd be there on our own, but with the right arrangements it could be more than tolerable, maybe even beneficial, provided...


IMO the AFC has to be the head tenant, with the SANFL as the subtenant, and surely that would be the way to go, surely even the SANFL can see that it'd be absurd to have an AFL club subletting from a lower-tier league. That's non-negotiable. The SANFL can have a piece of the massively improved facilities.

I know we're all paranoid about the SANFL, but this can be made to work just fine.

It depends what the SAAFL / SANFL want from Thebarton. They need a facility for a range of representative teams. That's now our problem but a presumption that they will not want to have some control isn't realistic. Likewise we will want control.

We will have a second womens team soon, there is going to be a fair bit of demand on the facilities.
 
Anyone else think the AFL clubs will have a problem having the State under 16's and 18's training at Thebarton with all our club facilities there? Sounds petty but I could see it being an issue.
 
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