NFNL 2023 Div 1 discussion

[nosecondprize]

Someone was telling me porky Pies when they said Bundoora could fit everyone in there points for finals. They played on Saturday with 44/46 and these guys didn't play.
Mcniece 3
Fitzgerald 6
Sturgess 2
Jetta 5
Mckernan 6

That's 22 points. They won't even be close to be able to play there best team. Intersting who they say sorry can't play because of points.

 

[NFNL Member]

I'm not sure Lance would think its in his sons best interest to go to the worst team in DIV. 3 whether he is the coach or not.

Wouldn't imagine any Dogs 2nds players heading there ,and more chance of Shane Harvey playing at the Kangas again than going to Lalor.

Arent there 3-4 ex lalor players at Bundoora?
Wouldnt they be 1 pointers?

 

[Long_Time_Listner]

Arent there 3-4 ex lalor players at Bundoora?
Wouldnt they be 1 pointers?

Dont think so anymore. Thomas is the only one these days from what I have seen of them.

 

[NorthernBastard]

Someone was telling me porky Pies when they said Bundoora could fit everyone in there points for finals. They played on Saturday with 44/46 and these guys didn't play.
Mcniece 3
Fitzgerald 6
Sturgess 2
Jetta 5
Mckernan 6

That's 22 points. They won't even be close to be able to play there best team. Intersting who they say sorry can't play because of points.

Heidelberg same issue? perhaps not quite as many to fit in as Bulls, but they can't fit all of their team in

 

[Turnstiles]

Heidelberg same issue? perhaps not quite as many to fit in as Bulls, but they can't fit all of their team in

Last week Heidelberg played with 48/46 - is that due to the 23rd player?

 

[Mr Cannons]

Yeh I agree. They were in contention for 4 years. 2 of those years another team were red hot favourites. So to win 1 is still a great effort. His credentials compared to alot of the other Div 1 coaches now is pretty damn good.

I would’ve said that they were favourites in all 3 they lost and not favourites for the one they won against greensborough?

 

[Regular Punter]

Last week Heidelberg played with 48/46 - is that due to the 23rd player?

Bullants VFL players to join in shortly as well you'd imagine it's going to be tight.

 

[NorthernBastard]

Last week Heidelberg played with 48/46 - is that due to the 23rd player?

good pick up, appears Heidelbergs 23rd man was on 3 points

 

[Thunder1]

I would’ve said that they were favourites in all 3 they lost and not favourites for the one they won against greensborough?

Mr Cannons
2015 beat Greensborough by 21 points. Greensborough finished on top 15-3, Macleod 2nd 13-4-1
2016 lost by 16 points to Heidelberg. Heidelberg finished first 15-3,Macleod 2nd 12-6
2017 lost to Bundoora by 3 points. Macleod first 15-3 Bundoora 2nd 12-6
2018 lost to West Preston by 9 points. Finished first 16-2, West Preston 12-6

2017 & 2018 were probably ones that got away but losing 3 grand finals by a total margin of 27 points means they were definitely in all games. It could quite easily have been 4 flags in a row for that Macleod group

 

[Mr Cannons]

Mr Cannons
2015 beat Greensborough by 21 points. Greensborough finished on top 15-3, Macleod 2nd 13-4-1
2016 lost by 16 points to Heidelberg. Heidelberg finished first 15-3,Macleod 2nd 12-6
2017 lost to Bundoora by 3 points. Macleod first 15-3 Bundoora 2nd 12-6
2018 lost to West Preston by 9 points. Finished first 16-2, West Preston 12-6

2017 & 2018 were probably ones that got away but losing 3 grand finals by a total margin of 27 points means they were definitely in all games. It could quite easily have been 4 flags in a row for that Macleod group

Definitely mate, I’m just going off memory but didn’t they beat Heidelberg comfortably in the 16 semi final to advance straight to the grand final?

 

[kickthething]

Someone was telling me porky Pies when they said Bundoora could fit everyone in there points for finals. They played on Saturday with 44/46 and these guys didn't play.
Mcniece 3
Fitzgerald 6
Sturgess 2
Jetta 5
Mckernan 6

That's 22 points. They won't even be close to be able to play there best team. Interesting who they say sorry can't play because of points.

Any who thinks they can fit them all in does not understand the system. McKernan I think is straight back if fit...maybe this week. McNeice as well, though not sure on his return date and the rest no guarantee imo but I would do what I can to get Fitzgerald in. A pretty good dilemma to have.

 

[Thunder1]

Definitely mate, I’m just going off memory but didn’t they beat Heidelberg comfortably in the 16 semi final to advance straight to the grand final?

Mr Cannons beat Greensborough by 61 points in qualifying final and then beat Heidelberg by 8 points in 2nd semi to go straight through to Grand Final

 

[Don The Sash]

Mr Cannons
2015 beat Greensborough by 21 points. Greensborough finished on top 15-3, Macleod 2nd 13-4-1
2016 lost by 16 points to Heidelberg. Heidelberg finished first 15-3,Macleod 2nd 12-6
2017 lost to Bundoora by 3 points. Macleod first 15-3 Bundoora 2nd 12-6
2018 lost to West Preston by 9 points. Finished first 16-2, West Preston 12-6

2017 & 2018 were probably ones that got away but losing 3 grand finals by a total margin of 27 points means they were definitely in all games. It could quite easily have been 4 flags in a row for that Macleod group

You’re proving my point Thunder - if they had a switched on coach with tactical nous they probably would have won 4 flags!

 

[Thunder1]

You’re proving my point Thunder - if they had a switched on coach with tactical nous they probably would have won 4 flags!

Don The Sash not sure how you get that from my post
Anyway like I said previously you have your opinion
I would think most disagree but like they saying goes
“Opinions are like ar@eholes, everyone has one”

 

[Rugbyrobby]

An

You’re proving my point Thunder - if they had a switched on coach with tactical nous they probably would have won 4 flags!

Another way of looking at is how have Macleod gone since he left?
In the past two weeks between the seconds and seniors they've lost by a combined margin of well over 500 points with another potential mauling this week.

 

[richo's dodgy hammy]

Rumour from the Essendon League board that Saad has signed for Pascoe Vale.

 

[10571z]

Rumour from the Essendon League board that Saad has signed for Pascoe Vale.

Yep heard he is leaving. Heard either there or Greenvale

 

[NFNL Member]

Holland sacked at the Bullants?

Not sure the Bulls have 100% locked away next years coach yet.
He might be lured back to Cramer St???

 

[just ask!!!]

Holland sacked at the Bullants?

Not sure the Bulls have 100% locked away next years coach yet.
He might be lured back to Cramer St???

What a joke if that is the case. Havent got the players or resources to match the AFL Clubs. Again People that run these clubs need to be realistic if this is true.

 

[Regular Punter]

Holland sacked at the Bullants?

Not sure the Bulls have 100% locked away next years coach yet.
He might be lured back to Cramer St???

As in the current Bundoora coach to coach at VFL level?!

 

[Regular Punter]

Rumour from the Essendon League board that Saad has signed for Pascoe Vale.

Great player, one of the best to play in the NFNL in recent times. His contribution to their flags and some finals performances were incredible to witness. Big loss for WPL but also for the comp.

 

[just ask!!!]

As in the current Bundoora coach to coach at VFL level?!

Suppose he doesnt have to worry about Player Points and depth of the club!

 

[NFNL Member]

Okay, let me lay this out for you. Firstly, I'd like to declare that I am a long-time member, supporter, and ex-player of a current Div 2 club, which also has juniors( there's only a few)

I'd also like to declare that my daughter underwent the rep trial process two years ago. Since then, I've been an attentive observer of the Rep processes, watching some friends' sons and daughters go through the same process, and witnessing most of the games they played in the last two years. I must admit that what is unfolding right before our eyes is disgraceful and requires immediate action to be stopped.

Now, let's talk about some individuals and situations:

LeGassik - Head of Rep Coaching and a paid employee of the NFNL, is also a director at Footy Fast Tracker, FOOTY FAST TRACKER | Coaching a business he runs with ex AFL player Paul Hudson. This business focuses on training young players to reach higher levels (rep level). The concern here lies in a potential conflict of interest, as LeGassik has influence over player and coach selections, which may align with his business interests, leading to financial gains.

There are also concerns about whether kids who cannot afford to pay for this business or others like it are being fairly considered for Rep selection.

Furthermore, it has come to light that Paul Hudson was used as a specialist coach for goal kicking at Rep sessions, with the NFNL footing the bill for his services.

Kaankanpa- an NFNL Administrator, there are observations that she holds more influence than an average administrator, based on my distant observations and discussions with parents of players. Although upon research, she has done a lot commendable volunteer work for local Junior Clubs in the past, her involvement raises questions about possible conflicts of interest.

Additionally, she recently started a business called Ultimate MPB in Nov 2022, Ultimate MPB which solely targets under 14/15 players aspiring to play Rep footy. The concern here is that her involvement in player and coach selections may lead to financial gains for her business, potentially compromising the fairness of the selection process.

It's worth noting that this business website also appears to promote AFL and NFNL branding and images, although it's not clear if they have been approved to do so.

During Rep sessions, specialist coaches Chris Shen and Phiv Demetriou have been present, both of whom are associated with the Ultimate MPB business and were i assume, also paid by the NFNL for their services.

Please understand that these concerns are not based on rumors or unhappiness from myself or any other single parent. They are factual, based on my direct observations, and I've had suspicions about such issues for several years.

I also find it troubling that there may be others heavily involved in player selection, both boys and girls, who are employees of DFS (Dynamic Footy Skills) and work at Schools in the area. The potential for conflicts of interest arises when selectors are also paid by DFS, as it may influence which kids get selected for Rep teams.

As a professional, (i have worked as a legal professional in different capacities in my career) I know that such gross conflicts of interest would not be tolerated . It's essential to remember that these individuals are not volunteers; they are paid by the NFNL.

The underlying question is whether the selection process genuinely aims to secure the most outstanding candidates or if it favors a select few based on personal connections and financial gains.

This situation also raises concerns about the NFNL's commitment to equitable and accessible tryout systems for all players, as stated on its website. Allowing such apparent corruption in the selection process is unacceptable.

I also bring this matter to light as further evidence that those in power have the ability to act as they see fit, choose to look the other way when it suits them. In contrast, they punish clubs for minor, petty issues that have been mentioned in forums here recently.

Remember the demise of the once great DVFL, is this how that started? People looking the other way whilst others profit??

Ultimate MPB

Nurturing the next generation of players...

ultimatempb.com

 

[NFNL Member]

As in the current Bundoora coach to coach at VFL level?!

no, the coach most people think will have the job next year.

 

[kickthething]

What a joke if that is the case. Havent got the players or resources to match the AFL Clubs. Again People that run these clubs need to be realistic if this is true.

Coaching can still be ineffectual where those impediments don’t impact. It does seem harsh. Would think the Coburg coaching role will be interesting as well next season to see if the lock in current again……even with the challenges of standalone, Burgers should not be winless and a number of the players he plays don’t repay his blind faith in them.