NFNL div 3 2025

[Champ or Chump]

hope it's not a similar sitution to EK in our comp.
how often does the all chips in not work and leaves clubs in diabolical situations long term afterwards.
not to mention the loyal volunteers and reserves players who pay the fees, buy the murch whilst mercanaries get thee's for free on top of (in some instances) ludicrous amounts of club or community mustered up money.

This has been interesting for us to learn about coming from the ammos where open payment was not anything that really came up within the club. As we grow into a semi-professional club, this will be something us oldtimers are watching with interest.

had this very chat with a mate who now lives and follows the footy a little bit in wallan.
competitive every year but hand over fist a lot of wallan business and community money spent for nothing other than a covid cup that he says theyve claimed as a premiership.

Didn't they just recruit Cam Cloke for 2025? Runners up last year so in the mix for this year.

 

[Thunder1]

Firstly happy new year everyone
Clubs should never be granted extra points.
Pretty sure West who haven't played seniors finals for over 20 years or a club like Kinglake who have to attract players up thr mountain would love to have extra points to play with

 

[Denny Crane]

So, is the simple answer we need to tier points with divisions.

Div1 - 40
Div2 - 45
Div3 - 50

If you win and go up obviously you abide by the points for that division.

Allows the smaller, non-juniors clubs to start to create a culture to keep people and reduce points over time.

Food for thought.

 

[10571z]

So, is the simple answer we need to tier points with divisions.

Div1 - 40
Div2 - 45
Div3 - 50

If you win and go up obviously you abide by the points for that division.

Allows the smaller, non-juniors clubs to start to create a culture to keep people and reduce points over time.

Food for thought.

I think the points at 46 in itself is fine.

It’s the rankings of players which needs far more detail for mine.

Not many clubs in the NFNL are playing at max points or even close to each week.

 

[Champ or Chump]

So, is the simple answer we need to tier points with divisions.

Div1 - 40
Div2 - 45
Div3 - 50

If you win and go up obviously you abide by the points for that division.

Allows the smaller, non-juniors clubs to start to create a culture to keep people and reduce points over time.

Interesting thoughts DC.

Maybe it would have to be implemented across ALL competitions or the NFNL might lose top end talent to other comps that had more points?

What if you also scraped the salary cap or increased it significantly and had greater governance set up around the allocation of points?

 

[Rugbyrobby]

Interesting thoughts DC.

Maybe it would have to be implemented across ALL competitions or the NFNL might lose top end talent to other comps that had more points?

What if you also scraped the salary cap or increased it significantly and had greater governance set up around the allocation of points?

The salary cap can't be policed so get rid of it.
All the cap does is disadvantage those few clubs that try to observe it.

 

[Les429]

The salary cap can't be policed so get rid of it.
All the cap does is disadvantage those few clubs that try to observe it.

Still need the salary cap, even though clubs spend outside of it, they'll be nervous to be spending 150K when cap is 75, still in fear they could get caught. where as they spend 90 -100 with a level of confidence they'll be safe with a 75 cap, but an open salary will allow the haves to go all out & the have nots get left in their wake.

 

[10571z]

Still need the salary cap, even though clubs spend outside of it, they'll be nervous to be spending 150K when cap is 75, still in fear they could get caught. where as they spend 90 -100 with a level of confidence they'll be safe with a 75 cap, but an open salary will allow the haves to go all out & the have nots get left in their wake.

Agree with this.

 

[Champ or Chump]

Still need the salary cap, even though clubs spend outside of it, they'll be nervous to be spending 150K when cap is 75, still in fear they could get caught. where as they spend 90 -100 with a level of confidence they'll be safe with a 75 cap, but an open salary will allow the haves to go all out & the have nots get left in their wake.

With that in mind Les - what would you set cap levels at? leave them as is or increase them some more?

 

[Mappa]

With that in mind Les - what would you set cap levels at? leave them as is or increase them some more?

Have to be careful raising the cap though mate.
Let's say you raise it by 10K. Then you have to try and find that 10K from somewhere. As you'd know, raising sponsorship $$ isn't easy, especially 10K worth.
Do you raise the cost of drinks and food ? All of a sudden a $5 beer becomes $6, then $7 then quite quickly. Subs go from $400, to $450 to $500. A pair of shorts go to $40 then $50 and the list goes on.
Part of the attraction of footy (vs say soccer in Australia) is that is a relatively affordable sport to participate in and watch locally. The other part is the joy at seeing locally developed juniors come through and play because of the environment a Club provides. You're getting that now, and will continue to get at the Hoers I reckon.
Raising the cap will mostly (although not exclusively) just line the pockets of blokes who are only there for money anyway.
It's tricky one, and fine balancing act.

 

[Champ or Chump]

Have to be careful raising the cap though mate.
Let's say you raise it by 10K. Then you have to try and find that 10K from somewhere. As you'd know, raising sponsorship $$ isn't easy, especially 10K worth.
Do you raise the cost of drinks and food ? All of a sudden a $5 beer becomes $6, then $7 then quite quickly. Subs go from $400, to $450 to $500. A pair of shorts go to $40 then $50 and the list goes on.
Part of the attraction of footy (vs say soccer in Australia) is that is a relatively affordable sport to participate in and watch locally. The other part is the joy at seeing locally developed juniors come through and play because of the environment a Club provides. You're getting that now, and will continue to get at the Hoers I reckon.
Raising the cap will mostly (although not exclusively) just line the pockets of blokes who are only there for money anyway.
It's tricky one, and fine balancing act.

Tend to agree with alot of what you have said Mappa, especially about keeping things affordable. It's been the biggest learning/work for us to find the extra money to compete in a semi-professional competition - players, coaches, staff, etc - as we grow ALL areas of the club.

That said, my point was how do you have equity when you think about player points V salary cap giving the competition the best opportunity to spread the talent/make it as competitive as possible. On that front, I am not sure the salary cap supports things as well as points do. Some clubs did not spend the $70k last year, others are 'suggested' to have gone over, so in reality clubs will spend what they will spend/can afford most likely no matter what the cap is. So with that in mind, my thoughts were 'should we to try and take the focus away from the salary cap and focus on driving better equity outcomes via the points system?'. I'm not sure to be honest, thought it worth a chat on here and has been great to get some varying thoughts.

 

[Les429]

With that in mind Les - what would you set cap levels at? leave them as is or increase them some more?

The cap was 100k pre covid for D3, then it got a haircut post covid, I think 75 is about right at the moment, no doubt it will creep back up over the next couple of yrs. The league & afl vic should be having conversations with clubs about sustainability, the impact on food pricing, drinks membership and obtaining sponsorship but that seems to be a one way conversation. Unfortunately volunteers aren't what they use to be, everywhere you turn majority are looking for some $ to do canteen, trainers, water boys etc. So if you don't have a salary cap then football dept's & committees will pour volumes $$ into players and eventually all other parts of clubs will suffer and long term sustainability of not only clubs but competitions will be at risk. Clubs will cheat the cap at every level of football, without a cap & a threat of punishment if caught it'll run riot.

 

[Turbos mail]

The cap was 100k pre covid for D3, then it got a haircut post covid, I think 75 is about right at the moment, no doubt it will creep back up over the next couple of yrs. The league & afl vic should be having conversations with clubs about sustainability, the impact on food pricing, drinks membership and obtaining sponsorship but that seems to be a one way conversation. Unfortunately volunteers aren't what they use to be, everywhere you turn majority are looking for some $ to do canteen, trainers, water boys etc. So if you don't have a salary cap then football dept's & committees will pour volumes $$ into players and eventually all other parts of clubs will suffer and long term sustainability of not only clubs but competitions will be at risk. Clubs will cheat the cap at every level of football, without a cap & a threat of punishment if caught it'll run riot.

AFL Vic have no time for local footy

 

[Denny Crane]

AFL Vic have no time for local footy

Just ask them...they won't answer as it interrupts their corporate box and ineptitude.

 

[Wastin time]

Points works , level playing field.
Pretty obvious salary cap can be rorted , but it is a necessity.
Some clubs will go way beyond it , but
End of the day 1 side will win & a few sides will be wondering how they sustain the list they’ve put together (got to find the $ AGAIN) & a few sides will be able to add more talent.
Yes league should polish it better , but really it’s the powers that be at each club who should be held accountable.

 

[bertybeetle]

Hearing Reservoir has made a BIG offer to Cumberland watch this space

 

[SlamDunk]

Hearing Reservoir has made a BIG offer to Cumberland watch this space

They playing with 70 points?

 

[10571z]

They playing with 70 points?

What’s another 6 pointer

 

[Kangaman4lyf]

Surely not

 

[10571z]

Surely not

Would have to be on 50k package minimum if not more.