Player Watch Nick Daicos - Can he be the GOAT?

[Arr0w]

John Coleman has him well and truly covered. So does Tony Modra when it comes to first 49 games. I could add plenty more

And Sheezel has him covered as a first year player

 

[keithrichards]

Not a good look, but tackling Mitch Owens is hardly ‘straightforward’

Now there is a bull of a kid!

 

[BringFevBack2021]

Not a good look, but tackling Mitch Owens is hardly ‘straightforward’

Now there is a bull of a kid!

A bull going 1.5km/h

Ollie Hollands has been tackling KPP’s since day dot and he’s even smaller than Nick.

Inexcusable effort, Sheezel would’ve knocked him into next week

 

[Shane Heard]

No

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Awww he looks soooo cute all wrapped up and bundled.

 

[JustaBattler]

Fudgey - how come you haven't stated teh obvious to all these naysayers yet?

the great thing that has come out of this dead rubber loss tonight was that after a light workout - kidgoat will be cherry-ripe and fresh for the game against Brisbane...

 

[Shane Heard]

Some of Naicos’s best work…

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Mine mine mine mine …as long as no one is around

 

[Trav 20]

It was a typical Little Nicky short-step game.

The only difference to last year was that he didn't get the stat padding kick-ins.

 

[Arr0w]

Hearing Nicki has a new sponsor, Napisan

 

[Shane Heard]

Even this little peanut goes harder than lil Nicky

 

[Joffaboy]

got schooled by Windhager tonight

Diacos is a fantastic player but is a cream type player. In the 22 and 23 Pies team with the mids et al doing the grunt work, he looked like an absolute star.

Tonight against Windhager he was terrorised and started having a look. Windhager is no slouch and is just coming good.
Had a real influence when he was moved into the guts and really did a number on Diacos.
I am not a Daicos hater, however he needs to learn that he needs to do the hard stuff and not hang out the back looking for the cheap kick like a modern day Yze.

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[Noidnadroj]

Bontempelli, Butters, Petracca and Curnow had better 2023s than Nicki Flaicos

In 2023 Nick wasn’t even rated by his own team the best player in his family.


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[Meteoric Rise]

Think Nicki had more short steps than possessions

He has a really good one, where he just sort of pretends he has misjudged the bounce of the ball and moves in a different direction to the ball and therefore the oncoming traffic. Never seen him misjudge the bounce of a loose ball in space ever.

You simply cannot be that scared of body contact and play inside mid.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

A reminder that Pies fans were genuinely comparing his contested work to Cripps last week.

CRIPPS

 

[Stottzy]

If he gets moved to half back, then GOAT talk should be put to rest.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

If he gets moved to half back, then GOAT talk should be put to rest.

Its his best position

 

[Arr0w]

Its his only position

 

[Priddis Is Done]

Skiing season is on

 

[Arr0w]

Indeed.

The handballing ability of Greg Williams.

The kicking/decision making/execution of Darren Jarman.

The ground coverage of Robert Harvey.

He's quite the package.

And the hardness of play doh

 

[Noidnadroj]

While I understand you are talking about first 50 games, Buddy played as an 18yr old while having a Jan birthday. Kicked 63 goals as a 20yr old ( the age ND was last year).

To have a better season as a 21yr old ND is up against a 113 goals for the season as a benchmark.

This ‘best first 50 games eva’ is just lunacy.

Tony Lockett turned 18yo in March of 1984. his second season. Saints finished bottom with 5 wins. He kicked 77 goals. He turned 19yo start of 1985. Saints finished bottom with 3 wins … he kicked 79 goals.

So Lockett’s first 50 odd games as a 17-19yo in a bottom team against the oppo’s best defender he kicked about 170-goals.

Naicos is a star and has proven to be outstanding in his first 2 seasons in a top team where he can use his speed, agility, smarts and skill - and Pies give him the ball at every opportunity. It will be interesting to see how he goes when some attention comes his way.


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[Mundusa]

A bull going 1.5km/h

Ollie Hollands has been tackling KPP’s since day dot and he’s even smaller than Nick.

Inexcusable effort, Sheezel would’ve knocked him into next week

And Butters runs through players twice his size and never shirks a tackle

 

[danster168]

As scared as I would be to fight Brock Lesnar is as scared as Daicos was to win a hardball tonight. Some embarrassing moments.

McRae is partly to blame. He allowed the Ginnivan squibbing to not only continue but he encouraged it by saying 'challenge the tackler' nonsense and calling it a 'skill'. Utter garbage. And then we started to see Pendlebury and Tom Mitchell flop like silly salmons all of last season. Now that the rules have changed and not rewarding these actions, the pies aren't winning the hard footy like they should be.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

Daicos really unlucky you can't run to your mum for cuddles during a game of footy.

 

[Noidnadroj]

The footage Kingy just showed on Fox Footy of Daicos declining to help his defender mates was pretty damning.

It was because he’s very smart, and knew if he followed the likely flight of the ball he’d be exposed to the on-coming pack. It wasn’t about being lazy or not wanting to help, it was him making a very early decision to exit stage left before the contest developed thinking no-one would notice. Kingy did.

It’s ok for him to be a timid player - he’s so smart, skilful, fast and can read the play so well he’s still excellent. But being a timid player in the world’s most combative sport is too big a negative for any GOAT discussion, as he simply cannot win his own hotly contested ball and relies too heavily on teammates.

What would he have been like in previous era’s when handball receives weren’t a thing and it was 1v1 all over the ground, and it was physically brutal beyond what we see today? He’s timid but still a superstar today. He wouldn’t have survived in the 1970-80’s, and a GOAT can’t be someone who wouldn’t have been a gun in any era.


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[Meteoric Rise]

Nick Daicos.

The Daicos Effect - 'The phenomenon where the whole of a club's hopes and dreams of success dramatically increase upon the arrival of a supremely talented youngster who shows poise and composure beyond his years thereby leading to real success' - J. Brown, 4th March 2024.

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We have never seen a player do what he has done in his first two seasons. Many people have said he was the best first/second year player since Chris Judd. Chris Judd didn't do what Nick Daicos has done in his first two seasons.

Injury causing him to miss the final four matches of the 2023 home and away season was the only thing that stood in the way of him sweeping every individual award on offer, though he still managed to finish top three in the Brownlow, AFLCA Coaches Award and AFLPA MVP, in only his second season.

He topped off his year to return from injury for the Preliminary and Grand Final, playing influential games in both matches to be rewarded with his first premiership for the club. Reflecting on the play that resulted in the De Goey goal that put Collingwood back in front in the late stages of that game, it is highly doubtful that Collingwood win the Grand Final without Nick Daicos doing what he does best.

We need to track his career progression as he pushes for GOAT status, and what better way to do that than through use of a spreadsheet:
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I'm predicting it is a matter of when, not if, we're anointing Nick Daicos as the AFL GOAT.

You need to add a squibbed contests column to your spreadsheet Fadge.

 

[Munga]

This ‘best first 50 games eva’ is just lunacy.

Tony Lockett turned 18yo in March of 1984. his second season. Saints finished bottom with 5 wins. He kicked 77 goals. He turned 19yo start of 1985. Saints finished bottom with 3 wins … he kicked 79 goals.

So Lockett’s first 50 odd games as a 17-19yo in a bottom team against the oppo’s best defender he kicked about 170-goals.

Naicos is a star and has proven to be outstanding in his first 2 seasons in a top team where he can use his speed, agility, smarts and skill - and Pies give him the ball at every opportunity. It will be interesting to see how he goes when some attention comes his way.

Ahhh, Tony Lockett... what can I say...

His early years:
77 goals 44 behinds in his second season at 18 years old.
79.22 @ 19yo
60.29 @ 20yo
117.52 @ 21yo

165 goals 75 behinds in his first 50 matches!
For comparison with Ablett senior, in his first 50 matches he kicked 157 goals 132 behinds, but he was in his fourth season, and 24 years old! (I had no idea Ablett was such a late starter!)

Lockett was more than an incredible footballer, even in his youth. Left or right foot. Unbeatable one on one. Unbeatable on the lead. Incredible footy IQ. Could kick snaps from outside 50 on the boundary, snaps! Elite skill. The word "elite" is overused these days, but Lockett was actually elite. Just happened to be the greatest forward of all time.

Lockett was beating gun defenders 2 on 1 and kicking bags of 5 goals when he was 17 years old!
Kicked 77.44 in just his second season at 18 years!
Playing for Victoria at 19 years!
352 goals 164 behinds @ 68.2%, Best and Fairest, VFLPA MVP, Coleman medal, and the only full forward ever to win a Brownlow Medal... all of it by 21 years old! And we all know how it ended, the greatest.