Player Watch Nick Daicos - Can he be the GOAT?

[Aphrodite]

As Fadgey would say ...

Who is this Adze and how many games of footy did he play to be the purveyor of AFL level hardness?

 

[Muddiemoose]

That’s a fair opinion to have. Whilst I mightn’t agree with all that you’ve said, I can respect your point of view.

I also don’t reckon it’s such a big deal, or even relevant to you or anyone else, what expectations Collingwood supporters want to have on their own players. All whilst already enjoying Nick’s development either way.

Again, just smells like tall poppy to me. Is it really such a big deal for someone to think he’ll be a GOAT? Reaction to it seems like abit of an overreaction.

So posters should just read this thread and move on without trying to point out why/why not they believe he could become the goat?

It’s literally the whole point of the forum, if you don’t want valid criticism laid against your ideas don’t post them or get upset when people have a view that contradicts yours

Especially if the only argument you have is to claim tall poppy syndrome or to simply ignore the criticism

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

That’s a fair opinion to have. Whilst I mightn’t agree with all that you’ve said, I can respect your point of view.

I also don’t reckon it’s such a big deal, or even relevant to you or anyone else, what expectations Collingwood supporters want to have on their own players. All whilst already enjoying Nick’s development either way.

Again, just smells like tall poppy to me. Is it really such a big deal for someone to think he’ll be a GOAT? Reaction to it seems like abit of an overreaction.

This thread should be on the Pies board. Blame Fudgey boy for this travesty instead of blaming the masses.

Also doesn't help that he's been the biggest troll on main board for like 5 years now, this is just a chance to return serve for most.

 

[Arr0w]

That’s a fair opinion to have. Whilst I mightn’t agree with all that you’ve said, I can respect your point of view.

I also don’t reckon it’s such a big deal, or even relevant to you or anyone else, what expectations Collingwood supporters want to have on their own players. All whilst already enjoying Nick’s development either way.

Again, just smells like tall poppy to me. Is it really such a big deal for someone to think he’ll be a GOAT? Reaction to it seems like abit of an overreaction.

If OP author truly believes Nicki is heading for greatness, perhaps responding in a more truthful and balanced manner regarding other players mentioned, both, current young players and some of the greats before him, it just might illicit different responses from others

 

[KissKiss]

Is that why Neale got 1 vote for 22 possessions and 7 clearances last year in the same game Daicos had 38 possessions (game high contested), 2 goals and 5 clearances?

Do you have any particular examples that umpires vote on stats alone?

That is definitely a good example of when stats don't demonstrate a good game.

I'm pretty sure that's the game when Naicos started on Cameron (who kicked 6 goals) and kept getting exposed running forward. He got dragged from Cameron and moved into the middle. I'm pretty sure that's the game where he roundly was criticised for squibbing contests against Ashcroft as well

 

[Elixuh]

Serious question, and I dont know the answer. Is he the type you build a team around or the cherry on top?

Rowell for example, you build a team around him all day. They are incredibly different players, but it does take all types.

FWIW - I have been vocal in this thread that N Daicos is a super talent and one of the best ive seen at his age, so not canning him by any means.

He is really neither.

He is a good player but has been the beneficiary of being a number 1 pick walking into an experienced side which was at the time underperforming under Buckley. So he has effectively been able to play the game using the strengths he had before being drafted because of the guys around him. Those strengths suffer tremendously when the guys around him aren't at the peak of their powers. Fly needs to send him down back. He can't play inside mid with what the Pies are currently producing in there.

 

[PieLebo87]

That is definitely a good example of when stats don't demonstrate a good game.

I'm pretty sure that's the game when Naicos started on Cameron (who kicked 6 goals) and kept getting exposed running forward. He got dragged from Cameron and moved into the middle. I'm pretty sure that's the game where he roundly was criticised for squibbing contests against Ashcroft as well

Do you actually believe, or expect anyone to believe, in some universe somewhere, Nick Daicos would have ever been matched up on Charlie Cameron? Wowee

 

[Morro]

He is really neither.

He is a good player but has been the beneficiary of being a number 1 pick walking into an experienced side which was at the time underperforming under Buckley. So he has effectively been able to play the game using the strengths he had before being drafted because of the guys around him. Those strengths suffer tremendously when the guys around him aren't at the peak of their powers. Fly needs to send him down back. He can't play inside mid with what the Pies are currently producing in there.

Hmm interesting take.

 

[Rich01]

He’s a fantastic player, but not the sort of guy who you’d pick as that dynamic match turner.

Accolades will come his way, like they did for Dane Swan

Dane Swan

Age

40

Ht

185cm

Wt

93kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

26.9

5star

K

16.4

5star

HB

10.4

5star

M

5.9

5star

T

3.1

5star

CL

5.4

5star

No current season stats available

D

12.0

3star

K

7.0

3star

HB

5.0

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

1.0

3star

. But he was never in the conversation about being one of the first picked when you wanted to win a match.

 

[PieLebo87]

So posters should just read this thread and move on without trying to point out why/why not they believe he could become the goat?

It’s literally the whole point of the forum, if you don’t want valid criticism laid against your ideas don’t post them or get upset when people have a view that contradicts yours

Especially if the only argument you have is to claim tall poppy syndrome or to simply ignore the criticism

Nah, you’ve completely missed my point. I never said it shouldn’t be up for conversation. Not sure why you’ve taken my post in that direction.

I literally said in the post you’re quoting that I respect his opinion despite not agreeing with it.

You’re one of those types that twists the semantics to suit your argument me thinks.

 

[jezzajay]

Nope...until he starts winning more hard ball than soft, he's no where near it for mine.

 

[PieLebo87]

If OP author truly believes Nicki is heading for greatness, perhaps responding in a more truthful and balanced manner regarding other players mentioned, both, current young players and some of the greats before him, it just might illicit different responses form others

This is fairly disingenuous because a group of Carlton supporters and the OP have been potting each other for years.

When was the last time you guys actually had a truthful and balanced conversation with each other?

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

This is fairly disingenuous because a group of Carlton supporters and the OP have been potting each other for years.

When was the last time you guys actually had a truthful and balanced conversation with each other?

Any time someone other than Fudge asks us a decent question

 

[Rich01]

That is definitely a good example of when stats don't demonstrate a good game.

I'm pretty sure that's the game when Naicos started on Cameron (who kicked 6 goals) and kept getting exposed running forward. He got dragged from Cameron and moved into the middle. I'm pretty sure that's the game where he roundly was criticised for squibbing contests against Ashcroft as well

In the last qtr last night he was giving Higgins no respect. Probably lucky he only kicked 1.1 in the end.

This is how sides will have to counter him moving forward. Let him get forward of the ball but make sure his opponent has the ability to make him pay as well either on the scoreboard or through the middle.

Against Sydney he showed the Swans midfield no respect either and it showed with their ability to dominate when they got the ball moving.

 

[Arr0w]

This is fairly disingenuous because a group of Carlton supporters and the OP have been potting each other for years.

When was the last time you guys actually had a truthful and balanced conversation with each other?

If you are confronted in a combative or antagonistic nature, you can't expect people to retaliate with a quill

 

[the avoca drover]

Even Schache would be embarrassed by Nicki’s weak as piss efforts last night lmao

Someone always goes too far.

 

[PieLebo87]

Any time someone other than Fudge asks us a decent question

You could’ve said like me as an example!

 

[Meteoric Rise]

In the last qtr last night he was giving Higgins no respect. Probably lucky he only kicked 1.1 in the end.

This is how sides will have to counter him moving forward. Let him get forward of the ball but make sure his opponent has the ability to make him pay as well either on the scoreboard or through the middle.

Against Sydney he showed the Swans midfield no respect either and it showed with their ability to dominate when they got the ball moving.

Daicos is straight out costing Collingwood games now by not only kick chasing but easy kick chasing. Hopefully Craig McRavinglunatic leaves him in the middle all season. Should be more of it.

 

[Bill Crouse]

Not a chance.

Would be on Zero.

GWS Game - 3 - Whitfield, 2 - Brown, 1 - Green/Kelly
Sydney game - 3 - Heeney, 2 - Warner, 1 - Gulden
St.Kilda game - 3 - NWM, 2 - Steele. 1 - Higgins

Only slight chance is the Swans game, but they were comfortably beaten

That is assuming that umpires are good judges of who is BoG and don't just follow the media hype and pick their favourites, as that is what have been consistently shown to do. He would have got at least 1 vote and probably 2 in both of the first 2 games.

 

[Hollow Knight]

Is it really such a big deal for someone to think he’ll be a GOAT?

Is this post for real? He literally phrased it as a question and you are claiming it is unfair to answer it?

Unless there is some misleading Lionel Hutz punctuation in the thread title?

Nick Daicos Can! He be the GOAT?!​

 

[Syd]

 

[Toump Ass]

Is he the type you build a team around

Depends on if you want to build a team of soft unaccountable squibs or not.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

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[WalshistheGOAT]

You could’ve said like me as an example!

English please

 

[Leather Poisoning]

The intensity that people are coming at him with after a single bad game with a bunch of half-hearted efforts shows how good he has been to this point.

The media talked him up to insane levels last year but he was also extremely good. Loved watching him play and was annoyed Collingwood got two young midfield guns under the father/son set up.

He's a young player working through a new challenge. It's a good test for him.