Player Watch Nick Daicos - Can he be the GOAT?

[Fadge]

Sure. I actually only did because people above were talking age and how Daicos was better because he’s older for his year. So if you want to use that measure, check out Judd.

Judd was already a star in 2003 anyway. I’d have him over Daicos at the same stage. And Daicos is very very good, I’m a fan. I’d heard all the stuff about him being overrated, then I went to Anzac Day last year, he sliced the game open on his own, 40 touches, kicked goals, it was like his 30th career game.

As I said, nobody who was old enough at the time could forget what a freak Judd was straight out of the box however. Daicos is right up there, but he’s not doing things that are unprecedented.

Makes you wonder.... if Judd was so good in his first two seasons, how could he possibly only have 12 Brownlow votes to his name by that time?!?

 

[Arr0w]

Woewodin won a Brownlow right?

 

[Fadge]

Woewodin won a Brownlow right?

Cripps would be a similar example if you're trying to suggest you don't have to be a superstar to win a Brownlow.

 

[Arr0w]

Cripps would be a similar example if you're trying to suggest you don't have to be a superstar to win a Brownlow.

I guess we can eliminate some names from GOAT conversations Matthews, Carey, GAS

 

[Fadge]

I guess we can eliminate some names from GOAT conversations Matthews, Carey, GAS

It seems you're either misinterpreting and/or misrepresenting my comment. Again.

Judd was a proven Brownlow votegetter, and we're being told that his first two seasons were far superior to Daicos' first two seasons, despite Daicos having polled 27 more votes than Judd had in that time....

But you keep doing you.

 

[Arr0w]

It seems you're either misinterpreting and/or misrepresenting my comment. Again.

Judd was a proven Brownlow votegetter, and we're being told that his first two seasons were far superior to Daicos' first two seasons, despite Daicos having polled 27 more votes than Judd had in that time....

But you keep doing you.

You have reaffirmed my point, using only Brownlow votes, in this comparison, to distinguish the better player at the same age

But, if we are using early career form, Sheezel has Nicky covered, especially as an 18 year in a first full season

But you keep doing you

 

[Lavender Bushranger]

He's the guy that thinks weight is irrelevant in footy

On SM-A225F using BigFooty.com mobile app

No, this is the guy that thinks that the Weight stat in isolation is irrelevant in footy.

 

[Worm4]

It seems you're either misinterpreting and/or misrepresenting my comment. Again.

Judd was a proven Brownlow votegetter, and we're being told that his first two seasons were far superior to Daicos' first two seasons, despite Daicos having polled 27 more votes than Judd had in that time....

But you keep doing you.

But, if you playing in a side with Kerr and Cousins ,yet are still matching numbers despite not being the main man, well that has to weigh in favour of Judd.
Collingwood use Daicos as their quarterback, west Coast didn't use Judd as their main man. Of course Daicos was always going to get more brownlow votes being used this way. It's been like that for over a decade or so

 

[Scritchyscroony]

Agree, Walsh may not be a big lad but he's as tough as they come in terms of courage and putting his head over the ball.

Also has a very punchable face

 

[nineteen eighty]

Also has a very punchable face

Never stop being Collingwood

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Also has a very punchable face

Right ...

 

[Fadge]

More interesting data...

 

[Worm4]

More interesting data...

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When you take the kick outs it purely inflates these stats ( and you know it )

 

[Fadge]

When you take the kick outs it purely inflates these stats ( and you know it )

There's only so long you're going to be able to make excuses for him not being universally regarded as the best player in the competition.

Make the most of it...

 

[Arr0w]

When you take the kick outs it purely inflates these stats ( and you know it )

And Sheezel broke the record for disposals for a first year player at a higher efficiency

 

[Worm4]

More interesting data...

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Here's some interesting data.
Contested possessions 2023
Old mate Nick couldn't even break it into the top 50
Even Sam walsh was only 1 contested behind, and played 4 less games than Nick

 

[Arr0w]

Here's some interesting data.
Contested possessions 2023
Old mate Nick couldn't even break it into the top 50
Even Sam walsh was only 1 contested behind, and played 4 less games than Nick

Just realised Sheezel averaged more contested possessions than Nicky as a first year player

Maybe OP should be, Can Nicky surpass Harry as a possible GOAT

 

[Worm4]

Just realised Sheezel averaged more contested possessions than Nicky as a first year player

Maybe OP should be, Can Nicky surpass Harry as a possible GOAT

Well, we shut him up for 45 minutes finally !

 

[Pleasedontfail11]

And Sheezel broke the record for disposals for a first year player at a higher efficiency

Don't think so

Sheezel 2023 had 622 disposals
Daicos 2022 had 644 disposals

 

[Arr0w]

Don't think so

Sheezel 2023 had 622 disposals
Daicos 2022 had 644 disposals

Sure you knew it's averages

 

[Pleasedontfail11]

Sure you knew it's averages

Well you are wrong again if that is the case.

Greene average 28.4 in 2012
Sheezel average 27.04 in 2023

But maybe you didnt really pay attention to the words you used:

Sheezel broke the record for disposals for a first year player

I think those words speak for themselves.

 

[Arr0w]

Well you are wrong again if that is the case.

Greene average 28.4 in 2012
Sheezel average 27.04 in 2023

But maybe you didnt really pay attention to the words you used:

Sheezel broke the record for disposals for a first year player

I think those words speak for themselves.

Showtime Sheezel: Young gun breaks 33-year-old record

North Melbourne young gun Harry Sheezel has broken the all-time record for most disposals in a debut V/AFL home and away season

www.nmfc.com.au

 

[Pleasedontfail11]

Showtime Sheezel: Young gun breaks 33-year-old record

North Melbourne young gun Harry Sheezel has broken the all-time record for most disposals in a debut V/AFL home and away season

www.nmfc.com.au

Oh you mean in the new 23 round home and away season. Yes he did.

So you were wrong? OK...

 

[Arr0w]

Oh you mean in the new 23 round home and away season. Yes he did.

So you were wrong? OK...

But still had young Nicky covered for averages in his first year, okay?

 

[Pleasedontfail11]

But still had young Nicky covered for averages in his first year, okay?

Averages yes. Total disposals no. Total disposals in a home and away yes.