Blackas87
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Is that what the comment is insinuating though?
It could mean its he’s dined off it to show other indigenous people be proud of who you are.
Nicky Winmar to take legal action against Newman, Scott and Sheahan
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It could mean its he’s dined off it to show other indigenous people be proud of who you are.
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Id like to think this is the kick in the ass Newman may actually stick.
But I wont hold my breath.
But I wont hold my breath.
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There are lawsuits for the sake of lawsuits and then there are lawsuits for people who vocally and very publicly try to defame or accuse someone of something.
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If only we had Freedom of Speech, huh ?
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Freedom Of Speech is never Freedom From Consequences.
It merely means you are free to have a platform to speak your opinion.
If that opinion ends you up in court, well, think before you speak.
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Actually, it does protect you from ending up in court. Whether through satire or political speech.
Its kind of the point.
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Mmm, apples and oranges there. Satire is art, and art is its own domain. Political speech has consequences. You could argue Hitler practiced free speech. See how that turned out.
Free Speech just means people wont have their voice SUPPRESSED. It doesnt mean they wont be chastised for what they say. How do people not understand this?
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I'm no QC, but I don't see how Winmar can successfully sue Newman, Scott and Sheahan based on what was supposedly said.
It's hardly slandering his reputation and preventing him from earning money as indigenous hero. It's just three old coots with a difference of opinion over an bit of old footy folklore. Does Wayne Harmes get to sue Eddie McGuire for saying the ball was out of bounds in the '79 Grand Final?
Nobody cares about what those fossils say on a podcast. They didn't call Winmar a drug cheat or a child molester. They thought he was saying "guts & determination"... Big deal. It doesn't diminish Winmar in any way. He is still a hero who stuck it up the racist Collingwood ferals.
Seems like an overreaction from Winmar and the photographer. What was that Shakespeare line? "The lady doth protest too much, methinks"
It's hardly slandering his reputation and preventing him from earning money as indigenous hero. It's just three old coots with a difference of opinion over an bit of old footy folklore. Does Wayne Harmes get to sue Eddie McGuire for saying the ball was out of bounds in the '79 Grand Final?
Nobody cares about what those fossils say on a podcast. They didn't call Winmar a drug cheat or a child molester. They thought he was saying "guts & determination"... Big deal. It doesn't diminish Winmar in any way. He is still a hero who stuck it up the racist Collingwood ferals.
Seems like an overreaction from Winmar and the photographer. What was that Shakespeare line? "The lady doth protest too much, methinks"
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Chastising with your response is the point. Running to court is not. If someone says something you disagree with, you disagree. Point out the stupidity of their comment.
You dont run off to court to have them silenced. Which is suppressing.
How you do not understand that?
Freedom of speech used to be something liberals in Australia wanted. These days silencing opposing views seems to be far more important.
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A precedent was set legally well before now that if someone does what has happened here then the victim in this situation is well within their rights to contest damages to their image in a court of law.
Its what has been considered acceptable for quite some time now and its an example of a consequence of ones actions.
No one forced these people to make these claims, purely for their own benefit at the detriment of someone else.
I don't know. Is Eddie questioning Wayne Harmes' character?
Saying that it was never about racism suggests that Winmar has been living a lie and capitalising on it ever since.
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You think its acceptable that people should be punished by the courts for their opinions?
Or is it more a case of you do sometimes, when you disagree with the opinion?
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I never bothered but it's hilarious how much hate is directed towards some people because they've read more than widely than right wing op-eds.
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Would that make you feel better?
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You are confusing the opinion of some random in the street and the opinion of three very prominent media personalities who make money off their shtick. This type of thing has been coming for a while and Im surprised its taken THIS long for someone to say no, no more, stop talking shit just for clicks.
They are literally just clickbaiting by talking shit they cant possibly verify in an attempt to boost their revenue.
Winmar is well within his right to call out their shit.
And sometimes the only way people like Newman and co learn is through their stupid wallets.
Says the person who sounds like they are going to quote the first amendment any second.
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I honestly dont see how people get confused when money gets involved in these situations. We live in a society where a value can be put on anything and that includes speech like that of Newman, Scott and Sheahan. They are saying things for the sheer controversy of it to get the extra views and revenue they know their shtick gets them.
Free Speech is great and all, but IT DOES NOT FREE YOU FROM CONSEQUENCES.
If it did then hate speech could never be a thing, defamation would never be a thing, hearsay, rumour, all that shit wouldnt exist because its just free speech.
I could accuse someone of being a rapist and then just claim free speech.
Free Speech is great and all, but IT DOES NOT FREE YOU FROM CONSEQUENCES.
If it did then hate speech could never be a thing, defamation would never be a thing, hearsay, rumour, all that shit wouldnt exist because its just free speech.
I could accuse someone of being a rapist and then just claim free speech.
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He sure did. Because he didnt face any consequences for his freedom of speech until it was too late.
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Hitler stopped free speech, he made other political parties illegal and jailed other politicians that opposed him.
He stopped the people from having a voice so they couldn’t oppose him.
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Im not saying stop free speech. No one is saying stop free speech.
What we are saying is free speech doesnt mean you dont have consequences for what you say, how is that not obvious?
Can I use my free speech to suggest you enjoy sex with horses? Would you be OK with me saying that in public setting? For my benefit? At your expense?
Free speech applies, no?
That's nonsensical.
What if it just my opinion that someone is a paedophile? Can I just publicly express it?
Shit man, you're just spealimg absolute rubbish.
This Winmar thing jas nothing to do with a 'gentlemanly' difference of opinions.
You know that.
Why go down this ludicrous path that you're taking?
