Past Coach NMFC Senior Coach - David Noble has parted ways with NMFC

[koshari]

I’ve got to the point that I’m strongly starting to believe that it doesn’t matter who or what low draft we select . JHF excepting .
The proof & fact of the matter is that most players will go backwards after their first / second year at our club .
Then at best they become a serviceable plodder for the rest of their career getting picked every week for a 100-150 game career . (they would be player 18-22 at best at any other club)
Or
at worst we eventually delist them after being a revolving door 4-5 years , injury plagued or have no opportunity at all and throw them out to the stack of shite players no other club would look at … wash rinse repeat year in year out .

pretty good summary of the recent past.

 

[koshari]

I bloody hope that's the reason.

I'm wondering though - we have 3rd year players who look like they are still skinny kids. A workmate had a kid who was in the AU swimming squad. The coaches emphasised that he needed to eat chicken. Lots of chicken. Huge amounts of chicken. They didn't say why, only nodded and winked as they said it.

pair em up with gaso, he like chicken, especially a certain fried variety.

 

[Horizons_00]

Less than 100% effort (or close to) is now acceptable across the board.

Standards are deplorable.

That is unconditional expectation for any professional sport. Our players are literally just going out there and getting a pay check. They may not respect noble enough…

 

[rickety]

I disagreed with the Dumont delisting. Consumate professional in terms if how to prepare, and do you have any idea how much work goes in to changing your game from going a predominantly inside clearance player which Froggy was to an outside defensive winger? The amount of change he would need to make to his body and aerobically is absolutely insane

Do we fast forward to Tommy Powell?

 

[XU1-ROO]

I like Noble. But does he even have a game plan

 

[William Caresser]

We’re in a rebuild. Some of us got a bit overexcited by a few good games towards the end the year last year. But this thing will take a couple more years before we’re moving up the ladder again - accept it or it will do your head in. Noble is learning on the job just like the players. Of course it’s not ideal, but throwing the toys out of the cot won’t help either. Yes we can all have our gripes with selection decisions (cough Turner cough) but we’re all outsiders with no more real insights than the flog journos we rightly love to bash, and no selected 18 will make everyone happy).

It will turn around. Have faith. Look back at the Dees. At Carlton. Their supporters thought the pain would never end, and then almost imperceptibly improvements came and all of a sudden you’re in games longer and winning some. And then you’re on the up. It will come. It will just take time - there is no quick fix and some of the improvement will be borne out of enduring the current disaster. we need to show the faith we want our players to show.

Yes, we all hate “trust the process” but this is a marathon, and we’re just learning to walk. That is a process; not a fun one but a necessary one. Patience, young paduans.

The players are demoralised; but that’s a stage of any full rebuild. They’re learning resilience - one of life’s great lessons.

This too shall pass.

Being in a rebuild doesn't excuse any level of performance. It doesn't mean the club just sticks with the coaching staff irrespective of how uncompetitive performances are; how 2nd to 5th year players aren't improving; how confused and demoralised players look; how poor skills are; and how defensively inept the side is.

Our players are way more talented, more capable and more experienced than is being reflected in the results. There are far better coaches out there to take this list forward includung over the 2022/23 preseason which will be such an important time for this group.

 

[Horizons_00]

We should have gone with experience > a coach who has never coached at afl level. We have a young list

 

[Bigeasy]

Not a great result and I understand the anger from some on here but I do need to address the point about our game plan or apparent lack of.

Our game plan is to cause turnovers and attack via the corridor as much as possible. Last year we saw this coming together and we were excited about what this year could potentially deliver. The poor start has angered a lot on here because they feel dudded and are directing their anger primarily at Nobel.

Currently the team is unable to execute the game plan for various reason but skill level and decision making are high up on the list. Is that Noble's fault that players cant kick to a team mate from 20 metres or handball to their feet or kick into the corridor to a 1 on 3? Our leaders should be organising the team during the game but they don't. What happens? Self preservation mode kicks in and all goes to shit.

I'm not convinced he can't coach but I do feel it's time he lifted his focus from micro to macro level. Our problems are primarily at this level.

 

[King Corey]

It's confusing. Everything he said post match made sense and I'm still buying his sincerity.

There's a disconnect somewhere though.

If he survives I'd like to see him sharpen up at selection when possible and as stated previously, stamp himself hard on the next round of list management decisions.

I'm not in the blind faith camp but just can't rule a line through him based on most of his content checking out as logical still.

 

[Mr Lloyd Christmas]

It's confusing. Everything he said post match made sense and I'm still buying his sincerity.

There's a disconnect somewhere though.

If he survives I'd like to see him sharpen up at selection when possible and as stated previously, stamp himself hard on the next round of list management decisions.

I'm not in the blind faith camp but just can't rule a line through him based on most of his content checking out as logical still.

I think it's because you are thinking about the situation deeper than just "sack the coach and all will be sweet".

It's a confusing mess I agree, be stuffed if I can sort out what is going on but i'm willing to find out a bit further.

 

[1975]

We’re in a rebuild. Some of us got a bit overexcited by a few good games towards the end the year last year. But this thing will take a couple more years before we’re moving up the ladder again - accept it or it will do your head in. Noble is learning on the job just like the players. Of course it’s not ideal, but throwing the toys out of the cot won’t help either. Yes we can all have our gripes with selection decisions (cough Turner cough) but we’re all outsiders with no more real insights than the flog journos we rightly love to bash, and no selected 18 will make everyone happy).

It will turn around. Have faith. Look back at the Dees. At Carlton. Their supporters thought the pain would never end, and then almost imperceptibly improvements came and all of a sudden you’re in games longer and winning some. And then you’re on the up. It will come. It will just take time - there is no quick fix and some of the improvement will be borne out of enduring the current disaster. we need to show the faith we want our players to show.

Yes, we all hate “trust the process” but this is a marathon, and we’re just learning to walk. That is a process; not a fun one but a necessary one. Patience, young paduans.

The players are demoralised; but that’s a stage of any full rebuild. They’re learning resilience - one of life’s great lessons.

This too shall pass.

I like your resolve jerry and I really hope you’re right, I was/am one of the people who was/is very optimistic about the new guard at the club but the lack of obvious effort or direction on field is making it very difficult to remain that way. Im starting too fear that if we don’t make a move now and we continue on the same trajectory late into the year or even early next season before making tough coaching decisions that we will lose important players like Horne-Francis.

 

[Horizons_00]

I think it's because you are thinking about the situation deeper than just "sack the coach and all will be sweet".

It's a confusing mess I agree, be stuffed if I can sort out what is going on but i'm willing to find out a bit further.

That’s actually a good way to look at it. He does need time, but gosh we are getting worse by the week.

 

[The Lone Latic]

Do we fast forward to Tommy Powell?

Convert him into a defensive winger? Lord I hope not

 

[Mr Lloyd Christmas]

I think us holding on to Scott WAY too long is impacting people's judgement of Noble.

Many are super trigger happy as the "back the coach in" got us in this disaster in many ways.

It's completely understandable. I get it.

Scott though had 10 years.

Noble has had just 1 and counting so far. I wouldn't give him a 3rd unless we improve sharply by years end.

Scott also inherited a better list (in terms of senior players) to work with immediately than Noble by the way.

 

[Thndr]

Look, I like him, but I'm starting to wonder ......

 

[Chadwiko]

I'm not in the blind faith camp but just can't rule a line through him based on most of his content checking out as logical still.

To be perfectly frank I haven't seen a single poster whom I'd describe as demonstrating 'blind faith'.

Unfortunately there's still quite a few people who accuse folks of that if you don't immediately call for Noble's sacking though.

 

[Samsquanch]

We should have gone with experience > a coach who has never coached at afl level. We have a young list

Since Barassi, we've had one other experiened coach (Kanga). Blight, Cable, Schimma, Pagan (no doubt he was successful). All due respect to JYD, but then it was Scotts which should have made the club realise that another inexperienced coach was probably the wrong option. Nup. Shaw, now Noble.

An experienced coach next time if we are going to change. Please.

 

[muttley45]

While i am not his biggest fan, to be fair, Kingy was banging on about no visible game plan/brand etc, way back to the practice matches and rds 1 and 2 iirc, wasn't totally convinced then, i was wrong.

 

[shimaburnsgrieg]

While i am not his biggest fan, to be fair, Kingy was banging on about no visible game plan/brand etc, way back to the practice matches and rds 1 and 2 iirc, wasn't totally convinced then, i was wrong.

Yes, you were wrong m45 and I congratulate you on conceding - it's not easy to do.

There are probably another 20 posters or so in the same camp as you who also need to concede - unfortunately not as many are as honest as you.

 

[rickety]

Convert him into a defensive winger? Lord I hope not

There's a post somewhere saying he'd been training with the wingers ..... I hope not as well.

 

[Themanbun]

Our game plan is to cause turnovers and attack via the corridor as much as possible.

No one can tell me how it's physically possible to do this while loading our zone so defensively that it's an 18 man press in the space of 60m.

Bulldogs have a zone like this (not to the degree we do) - they use the wings more often than not.

I think I've put forward a pretty good case on here previously as to why our structure design works against our game plan.

 

[King Corey]

To be perfectly frank I haven't seen a single poster whom I'd describe as demonstrating 'blind faith'.

Unfortunately there's still quite a few people who accuse folks of that if you don't immediately call for Noble's sacking though.

It's done in a sideways manner, belittling some reasoned critical opinions under the guise of those people just not "getting rebuilds" or understanding "Joyce got us into this mess" etc.

A defensiveness of the current regime with the only plank being stability.

As I said I wouldn't sack him right now bit those who questioned him were getting pilloried as if they were unreasonably impatient for results.

 

[tazaa]

My issue with Noble is he was brought in to teach and nurture this young list and has thus far shown **** all.

If he’s not able to produce on basic fundamentals then why is he here?

 

[ApplecrossWC]

I think we should give David Nobles a while longer

 

[Roadrunner]

I think we should give David Nobles a while longer

No way. I don't see any improvement at all, no game plans whatsoever. We are going. backward. Really need an experience coach ASAP.