No non-Vic team has defeated a Vic team in the Grand Final without list or salary cap concessions

[SBD Gonzalez]

GF experience is massive.

Hawks lose 2012...this drive them for the next few seasons.

The Eagles has half the team who tasted defeat in 2015, they weren’t just going to roll over again.

Pies only had one player who had lost a GF who hadn’t won one, Mayne, and he was arguably our best on the day...funny that.

Non-vic supporters love using the ground as an excuse when their team simply shits the bed against a mentally stronger team.

Eagles of 2018 were a strong resilient group, and they won.

Fine, but I personally am making no comment about Vic Vs non-Vic. Not sure why you keep telling me your thoughts.

 

[PetterdHoisted]

Colliwobbles trump home state advantage.

Who knew?!

 

[FrustratedTiger]

Its beyond belief why anyone even bothers to dispute this fact because it's the simple truth. People trying to preserve the advantage are only showing how scared they are that it might one day disappear and suddenly premierships become that little bit harder to achieve.

I know for a fact there are multiple clubs that are and will continue to press the AFL each year on the issue, today's result won't change a thing on that front. Not sure there will be any quick change due to this new deal but the only way it can happen is if people and the clubs continue to pressure. Change only happens when enough voice their discontent and leave them no real choice but to act.

No, Adelaide supporters keep perpetuating the myth because the alternative is to confirm what Josh Jenkins did this week - they just weren't good enough

 

[Boston tiger]

Its beyond belief why anyone even bothers to dispute this fact because it's the simple truth. People trying to preserve the advantage are only showing how scared they are that it might one day disappear and suddenly premierships become that little bit harder to achieve.

I know for a fact there are multiple clubs that are and will continue to press the AFL each year on the issue, today's result won't change a thing on that front. Not sure there will be any quick change due to this new deal but the only way it can happen is if people and the clubs continue to pressure. Change only happens when enough voice their discontent and leave them no real choice but to act.

Start a FaceBook page

 

[Boston tiger]

So how about Josh Jenkins admitting during the week that he was spooked by the Richmond supporters and wanted to hide during the Grand Final parade?

Crows lost last year because they are farking shit. This year confirmed it.

I have a feeling he gets tucked into bed at night.

 

[VictorianCrow85]

No, Adelaide supporters keep perpetuating the myth because the alternative is to confirm what Josh Jenkins did this week - they just weren't good enough

I've got no problems with just not being good enough. Odds are a neutral venue Richmond would still have won such is just how well they played at the finals part of last year. Doesn't change the fact the game should be on a neutral venue. Win there and no one can question the validity in any facet - would have thought you would prefer that as it seems to get under your skin being questioned over it.

 

[FrustratedTiger]

I've got no problems with just not being good enough. Odds are a neutral venue Richmond would still have won such is just how well they played at the finals part of last year. Doesn't change the fact the game should be on a neutral venue. Win there and no one can question the validity in any facet - would have thought you would prefer that as it seems to get under your skin being questioned over it.

It's at the MCG until 2057 at least. I say at least because in around 20 years time, the Victorian state government will be looking to extend the deal again. No Victorian premier past or future will want to known as the one who let the Grand Final leave Victoria. So they will offer the AFL hierarchy at the time a bucket load of cash. They know as well as you and I that the AFL like nothing better than a bucket load of cash. So in around 2038, watch for the deal to be extended again.

Meanwhile, by 2057, I'll either be dead or be dribbling in the corner of a nursing home somewhere blissfully unaware of what day it is. So it doesn't really get under my skin at all because I know that for the rest of my time of watching Grand Finals, it will be played in its rightful place. The MCG.

 

[kranky al]

At what point in the year do you announce the neutral venue. Or is played in Tassie or Darwin every year.

In a rotation the chance of meeting a tenant reduces from 1/3 at the mcg to 1/9 - if you happen to meet one its then the luck of the draw.

 

[Boston tiger]

In a rotation the chance of meeting a tenant reduces from 1/3 at the mcg to 1/9 - if you happen to meet one its then the luck of the draw.

Are all sides grounds on the rotation?

 

[Bunk Moreland]

What exactly do you think the definition of an “advantage” is and how do you think that might differ to a “guarantee”?

Read the thread title.

 

[Iron]

So how about Josh Jenkins admitting during the week that he was spooked by the Richmond supporters and wanted to hide during the Grand Final parade?

Crows lost last year because they are farking shit. This year confirmed it.

Did you lose the prelim because you're farking shit

 

[Balls In]

Should have been played at Optus. Why is this debateable?

 

[Matchu]

West Coast did not lose a single game in Melbourne this year:

R2 def. Bulldogs @ Etihad - 51 point win
R5 def. Blues @ Etihad - 10 point win
R10 def. Hawks @ Etihad - 15 point win
R17 def. Magpies @ MCG - 35 point win
GF def. Magpies @ MCG - 5 point win

Their only away losses this year came in Adelaide, Sydney and Tasmania.

 

[VictorianCrow85]

It's at the MCG until 2057 at least. I say at least because in around 20 years time, the Victorian state government will be looking to extend the deal again. No Victorian premier past or future will want to known as the one who let the Grand Final leave Victoria. So they will offer the AFL hierarchy at the time a bucket load of cash. They know as well as you and I that the AFL like nothing better than a bucket load of cash. So in around 2038, watch for the deal to be extended again.

Meanwhile, by 2057, I'll either be dead or be dribbling in the corner of a nursing home somewhere blissfully unaware of what day it is. So it doesn't really get under my skin at all because I know that for the rest of my time of watching Grand Finals, it will be played in its rightful place. The MCG.

You are right that the Victorian government has a fair hand in things staying here, there's no doubting that. Thing is you're arguing something completely different now as a deflection from the actual issue and choosing to hide behind that. It's not the actions of someone secure about it, in fact it's quite the opposite and psychology 101.

 

[LoungeLizard]

Firstly, congrats to West Coast, too good.

Now let's get to the unfair advantage that Collingwood had over West Coast, Is it a coincidence that they build a ground with similar dimensions as the MGC, then break their Collingwood hoodoo?

Non Vic now leading the tally.

Does anyone rate WC as good as Hawthorn? getting close now to same tally.

Finally go look at all GF's since 1990, seems like an even spread to me.

GF is staying in Vic, and even if they did move it, there isn't a hope in the world that Western Australia will get it.

 

[FrustratedTiger]

You are right that the Victorian government has a fair hand in things staying here, there's no doubting that. Thing is you're arguing something completely different now as a deflection from the actual issue and choosing to hide behind that. It's not the actions of someone secure about it, in fact it's quite the opposite and psychology 101.

My argument is and always has been Get Over It. Quit your sooking and just move on. West Coast clearly have - they have invested their money into a ground that are the same dimensions so they are prepared and ready for Grand Finals at the G. You guys could've done that as well instead of investing in Adelaide Oval. Even Trevor Nesbitt agrees (quoted from Caro's article in The Age on Friday about Don Pyke having a sook to the coaches association after last year's GF): ‘‘It’s the only 100,000-seat stadium we’ve got,’’ he said, ‘‘and everybody knows to win the premiership you’ve got to come and win that last game at the MCG. ‘‘It’s one brutal two hours of football and that’s our great tradition.’’

 

[FrustratedTiger]

Did you lose the prelim because you're farking shit

Did you watch the game? We certainly were farking shit. Every bit of it

 

[doppleganger]

Should have been played at Optus. Why is this debateable?

When have GFs ever been played at home grounds?

If that comes in do GWS play GF at Spotless, Suns at Carrara, Geelong at Cat Park?

The entire point is the GF is a massive event, a different game to a H&A game.

All the Vic teams would demand to go back to the lil suburban grounds where they actually enjoy a home ground advantage.

Finals at VicPark...Pies would have 30 fecking flags if that was the case.

 

[VictorianCrow85]

My argument is and always has been Get Over It. Quit your sooking and just move on. West Coast clearly have - they have invested their money into a ground that are the same dimensions so they are prepared and ready for Grand Finals at the G. You guys could've done that as well instead of investing in Adelaide Oval. Even Trevor Nesbitt agrees (quoted from Caro's article in The Age on Friday about Don Pyke having a sook to the coaches association after last year's GF): ‘‘It’s the only 100,000-seat stadium we’ve got,’’ he said, ‘‘and everybody knows to win the premiership you’ve got to come and win that last game at the MCG. ‘‘It’s one brutal two hours of football and that’s our great tradition.’’

By defaulting to everything being a 'sook' when someone wants to raise an issue isn't a response, it's just being dismissive because you haven't been able to raise any coherent points of substance that actually counter the argument. I think you're taking the issue personally like it's something Richmond specific but it's not, it's much broader than that. I fully agree there's things my club could or should have done/be doing differently but then I'm not in charge I can't call the shots. I'm sure there's been things over the past you wish your club had done differently too right? I don't have rose colored glasses on when it comes to Adelaide I'm critical of certain things there but it doesn't change the broader issue here.

Oh & by the way if you think W.C.E have moved on you are incorrect, they are still, along with other clubs lobbying the AFL hard about the Grand Final, winning one won't change that.

 

[Iron]

Did you watch the game? We certainly were farking shit. Every bit of it

You are or you were? I'm inclined to agree there's a difference.

 

[Boston tiger]

Should have been played at Optus. Why is this debateable?

West Coast finished top 2 with playing last years Premiers once and at their home ground.
Geelong had to play the Premiers twice at Richmond’s Home ground.
This earnt finals business is inherently dodgy and why its all debatable.

 

[FrustratedTiger]

You are or you were? I'm inclined to agree there's a difference.

We were shit against Collingwood. I would argue though we were a better team in 2017 than 2018, although the ladder doesn't support that. But the way we played was superior, certainly in the latter half of 2017. The first half of the qualifying final is as close as we got to 2017 form all year.

 

[VFL13]

I love how richmond supporters defend the venue for the gf......but sooked so much about wearing their away guernsey. Haooy to let the big stuff slide by that helps them but will cry about a top.
Either way the vfl wont change it.....just gotta keep trying to beat them and celebrate if two non vic teams make the gf and we have to listen to the vic media complain it doesnt feel the same.

 

[jatz14]

It's myth that the G gives an advantage to home sides in the grannie, like it's a myth that Eagles have a home ground advantage in Perth.

It's just all those Victorian players just seen to shit themselves in Perth. They just need to be mentally tougher.

It's why Richmond didn't deserve a gf spot. Fly to Perth, shit themselves, get thrashed in a game by mentally tougher Eagles.

Grow some balls tigers.

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[FrustratedTiger]

By defaulting to everything being a 'sook' when someone wants to raise an issue isn't a response, it's just being dismissive because you haven't been able to raise any coherent points of substance that actually counter the argument. I think you're taking the issue personally like it's something Richmond specific but it's not, it's much broader than that. I fully agree there's things my club could or should have done/be doing differently but then I'm not in charge I can't call the shots. I'm sure there's been things over the past you wish your club had done differently too right? I don't have rose colored glasses on when it comes to Adelaide I'm critical of certain things there but it doesn't change the broader issue here.

Oh & by the way if you think W.C.E have moved on you are incorrect, they are still, along with other clubs lobbying the AFL hard about the Grand Final, winning one won't change that.

By defaulting to everything being a 'sook' when someone wants to raise an issue isn't a response, it's just being dismissive because you haven't been able to raise any coherent points of substance that actually counter the argument. I think you're taking the issue personally like it's something Richmond specific but it's not, it's much broader than that. I fully agree there's things my club could or should have done/be doing differently but then I'm not in charge I can't call the shots. I'm sure there's been things over the past you wish your club had done differently too right? I don't have rose colored glasses on when it comes to Adelaide I'm critical of certain things there but it doesn't change the broader issue here.

Oh & by the way if you think W.C.E have moved on you are incorrect, they are still, along with other clubs lobbying the AFL hard about the Grand Final, winning one won't change that.

Richmond's made the Grand Final once in the afl era. This is nothing Richmond-specific at all and hence not personal. You are all just coming across as a bunch of whiny sooks. You claim bias when it suits you but refuse to accept the bias that exists in getting you there in the first place. You cannot claim bias in the first instance without accepting it in the second instance and not come across as anything other than a bunch of sooks. Take finals and both of our teams out of it - is Fremantle a genuine 8 win team this year? Or did they get a massive hand up by the fact that they get a home state advantage every second week during the season?