No Oppo Supporters Non Bulldog Footy Talk - Bulldogs only - Part 4

[DognBones]

Fergus Greene

26

Fergus Greene

Age

26

Ht

187cm

Wt

75kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

8.8

2star

K

5.4

2star

HB

3.4

3star

M

3.6

4star

T

3.0

5star

G

1.0

4star

No current season stats available

D

8.8

3star

K

5.4

2star

HB

3.4

3star

M

3.6

4star

T

3.0

5star

G

1.0

4star

dominating against a very undermanned Bombers team. He's a very reliable goal- kicker at this level.

 

[maddog37]

The stand rule has come full circle. Now it’s the bloke with the ball that is too scared to move.

Classic knee jerk reaction from afl leadership.

 

[Sentinel]

Another pathetic Oliver dive.

 

[DognBones]

No matter what or who the challenge is to Melbourne they always have another gear to squash it. May go undefeated this season.

 

[John Smith92]

Langdon just played 100% gametime on a wing. ****ing insane

 

[DognBones]

Langdon just played 100% gametime on a wing. ******* insane

Hardest running wingman in the comp by some margin. Huge contributor to their linkages.

 

[John Smith92]

Hardest running wingman in the comp by some margin. Huge contributor to their linkages.

Certainly had a day out today.

 

[Walsh Bay]

The physical preparation and durability of the dees' list

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the physical preparation and durability of our list.

 

[John Smith92]

Brisbane look like clearly the second best team in the comp but it's really tough to see them competing with this Melbourne side in finals, especially at the G. Would take several key injuries. I don't think we've seen this level of football since the Cats/Pies/Saints at various times from 2009-11.

 

[John Smith92]

The physical preparation and durability of the dees' list

v

the physical preparation and durability of our list.

Agreed, but to me it's more about them having a very balanced list and repeatable gameplan, as opposed to our surplus of great mids and hbfs and complete lack of depth everywhere else. Heaven help us if Naughton gets injured, which is hardly uncommon.

 

[doggies ftw]

The physical preparation and durability of the dees' list

v

the physical preparation and durability of our list.

They play such a simple untaxing game style though, obviously their ball winners go hard and their pressure is good (not crazy though) and they barely get out of first gear for most of the game but due to their system they’re just never phased.

100% that has an impact on their durability compared to us and the way we have to play

 

[John Smith92]

They play such a simple untaxing game style though, obviously their ball winners go hard and their pressure is good (not crazy though) and they barely get out of first gear for most of the game but due to their system they’re just never phased.

100% that has an impact on their durability compared to us and the way we have to play

Leigh Matthews when asked about his success at Brisbane said something along the lines of 90% of a teams success is pure talent, the rest coaching. The dees right now have the talent to play pretty much any gamestyle they like, as long as they're all on the same page, and beat any team. Imo Gawn, Oliver and Petracca are 3 of the best 5 players in the comp this year, May and Langdon are AA locks and Lever, Pickett, and possibly even Jackson and Bowey would be in the conversation... and then their role players are all very solid too, although it always looks that way when a teams winning easily.

 

[doggies ftw]

Leigh Matthews when asked about his success at Brisbane said something along the lines of 90% of a teams success is pure talent, the rest coaching. The dees right now have the talent to play pretty much any gamestyle they like, as long as they're all on the same page, and beat any team. Imo Gawn, Oliver and Petracca are 3 of the best 5 players in the comp this year, May and Langdon are AA locks and Lever, Pickett, and possibly even Jackson and Bowey would be in the conversation... and then their role players are all very solid too, although it always looks that way when a teams winning easily.

Maybe in his era id agree with that but honestly in this day and age I’m not sure that’s the case. Obviously their top end is performing much much better than ours this year but tbh on paper I don’t think there’s much between us. Gawn, Oliver, Petracca would only just pip English, Bont, Macrae but then our midfield depth completely overshadows there’s, and not by a small margin.

May = Keath, Lever/Petty much better than our 2nd/3rd talls but our small defenders wipe there’s. Langdon > Hunter on the wing but not by a huge amount. Naughty miles better than any tall they have in their forward line, throw in Bruce (obviously injured this year) and our tall forwards wipe theirs. Cody/Pickett similar.

As you say it’s easy to look good when everything’s going well, and this year it’s easy to say their top end talent is wayyyy better than ours. But it shouldn’t be. There should not be the gap that there is between the two sides right now.

So what’s the reason? ****ed if I know but I don’t think it’s the talent of our list

 

[John Smith92]

Maybe in his era id agree with that but honestly in this day and age I’m not sure that’s the case. Obviously their top end is performing much much better than ours this year but tbh on paper I don’t think there’s much between us. Gawn, Oliver, Petracca would only just pip English, Bont, Macrae but then our midfield depth completely overshadows there’s, and not by a small margin.

May = Keath, Lever/Petty much better than our 2nd/3rd talls but our small defenders wipe there’s. Langdon > Hunter on the wing but not by a huge amount. Naughty miles better than any tall they have in their forward line, throw in Bruce (obviously injured this year) and our tall forwards wipe theirs. Cody/Pickett similar.

As you say it’s easy to look good when everything’s going well, and this year it’s easy to say their top end talent is wayyyy better than ours. But it shouldn’t be. There should not be the gap that there is between the two sides right now.

So what’s the reason? f’ed if I know but I don’t think it’s the talent of our list

I think it's just down to them having a much better spread of talent across the field. If you were to just go out and list the players from best to worst down each list you'd never get to a point where you say player X is much better than player Y but we'd have 6 inside mids (Bont, Dunkley, Macrae, Libba, Treloar, Smith) in our top 10, and 2 aggressive hbfs (Dale, Daniel). As you said that means our midfield bats way deeper, but it's tough to make that an advantage when Oliver and Petracca are playing 70% of the time on ball together and both of their ruckmen will be on top of whoever we put in there. In addition their "lesser" mids in Viney, Harmes, Sparrow, and Jordon are all very hard at it and good defensively which means we'll never smash them in there, while we're constantly having to invent outside roles for Smith, Treloar, even Bont/Macrae/Dunkley because there's not enough room for them in the middle, and when we win clearances we're kicking it into an OK forward line up against clearly the best defense in the league.

On the other hand, when a team gets on top of our midfield, we get absolutely ****ed up because we have one (injured) quality KPD in Keath, one genuine lockdown back pocket (Duryea, who I think is in our top 5 most important players simply because of that), and then a bunch of battlers along with some aggressive HBFs who can't halve enough one on ones to prevent runs of goals against good sides, as we've seen repeatedly. We have to rely on our midfield to be on top for entire games to grind out wins, because our forward line is also way too reliant on Naughton when the opposition fails to completely break down defensively.

Having said all that they have an absurdly healthy list at the moment and if they were to lose even one of Oliver, Petracca and Gawn it would have a huge impact on their effectiveness. They will lose form at some point this year and start to look frustratingly inefficient because their forward line is only decent, and key forwards are their biggest weakness, but all in all if both teams are reasonably healthy I reckon we match up awfully against them. They can nullify our strength in the midfield, and hammer our weaknesses.

Also I would say that Oliver and Petracca together is a huge weapon we struggle to match, and we really need Dunkley in peak form leading our inside mids because he's the only guy with both the strength and athleticism to go toe to toe with either one. Bont may be far more skillful but even he can't break a tackle and sprint out the front of a stoppage like those guys can.

 

[Some Idiot]

Lewis Young

33

Lewis Young

Age

25

Ht

202cm

Wt

99kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.6

3star

K

7.5

3star

HB

4.1

3star

M

4.4

4star

T

1.6

4star

MG

197.9

3star

D

4.0

1star

K

3.0

1star

HB

1.0

1star

M

3.0

3star

T

0.0

1star

MG

26.0

1star

D

14.4

4star

K

8.2

4star

HB

6.2

4star

M

6.4

5star

T

2.0

4star

MG

181.6

3star

looks every bit the footballer we thought he could be at Carlton. Makes you wonder what went wrong at the dogs.

 

[The Inbetweener]

Lewis Young looks every bit the footballer we thought he could be at Carlton. Makes you wonder what went wrong at the dogs.

Playing Cordy ahead of him is paying real dividends

 

[Spiritof82]

Lewis Young looks every bit the footballer we thought he could be at Carlton. Makes you wonder what went wrong at the dogs.

Never being given time to settle into his favoured position, like most of the players on our list that are bounced in and out of the side or around the field

 

[The Inbetweener]

Never being given time to settle into his favoured position, like most of the players on our list that are bounced in and out of the side or around the field

And just no overall opportunity. Gardner missed 10+ weeks last year and Young couldn’t get a look in. Even when Keath was injured late in the year we went with Schache. Massive failure from Bevo in a position we desperately need.

 

[Northernsoul74]

Playing alongside players like Wietering and Docherty helps.

 

[Spiritof82]

And just no overall opportunity. Gardner missed 10+ weeks last year and Young couldn’t get a look in. Even when Keath was injured late in the year we went with Schache. Massive failure from Bevo in a position we desperately need.

If you get on his bad side you are marked for life never to get a chance again, just ask West

 

[doggies ftw]

And just no overall opportunity. Gardner missed 10+ weeks last year and Young couldn’t get a look in. Even when Keath was injured late in the year we went with Schache. Massive failure from Bevo in a position we desperately need.

Yeah this one is tough to swallow, really tough to swallow and just about unacceptable. He’s not even playing amazingly so it’s not like he’s all of a sudden completely turned his career around playing out of his skin, but just exactly how we all expected he could in the role he’s in

 

[The Inbetweener]

Crows have been smashed the following 2 weeks after beating us. Amazing that we dropped that one

 

[CarnTheScray]

Both these sides thought that they achieved something when they beat us. Turns out we are just ratshit this year.

 

[CarnTheScray]

Yeah this one is tough to swallow, really tough to swallow and just about unacceptable. He’s not even playing amazingly so it’s not like he’s all of a sudden completely turned his career around playing out of his skin, but just exactly how we all expected he could in the role he’s in

If we do not solve at least one or two key problems in this teams best 22 over the off-season then I will definitely jump on the Bevo out/ club management shuffle train.

 

[wayniac]

Lewis Young looks every bit the footballer we thought he could be at Carlton. Makes you wonder what went wrong at the dogs.

Coughing up free kicks? He panics a lot. Looks like an early version of Gardner. Already 3 free kicks against out of a total of 19 for Carlton.