Non-Lions discussion 2023

[Dalions]

Collingwood exemption is a thing too....

Cox with a deliberate shepherd/bump on Oliver which probably won’t even be looked at too.

 

[mpal6]

Crikey.

They've finished clearly on top of the ladder, won tonight and have their best player to come back.

People seem to just see what they want to see.

They were lucky Melbourne were very poor in their execution but who's to say they won't be better either.

Both of these teams will be very strong opposition whoever they play

To be fair, we have been going well against the Pies. It's like us playing Hawks. Doesn't matter how well we're going - Hawks have been our bogey team in the recent times. I feel like we have a similar kind of hold on Pies lately.

Melbourne used to have that level of advantage over us, but lately we have worked out their system and showed that we can score pretty convincingly. Both at Gabba before the lights went out and at MCG where we went into our shells in Q4, we displayed a level of game style which stood up very well against Demons.

My worry is Port. I don't like their new midfield setup this season and their fast break style is our kryptonite. Just need to get past them in Quali, I think we can handle the rest including Carlton.

 

[BrainOfMorbius]

Joe Daniher: hold my beer

 

[FeastOrFamine]

Thoroughly unimpressed with either side after that game. Melbourne's bog average forward line is genuinely costing them a dynasty. They had plenty of ball but the dump kicks inside I50 remind of their game style in 2019. The delivery isn't doing their forwards any favours but they've got Fritsch and Kozzie and that's about it for forward weapons, albiet Petracca also seems to have a keen goal sense whenever we play them.

Generally, I thought Collingwood looked far more dangerous with the ball in hand, especially when they were able to pull off the short 45 kick into the corridor. Melbourne were far too slow off turnover to be able to capitalise effectively. The weather obviously played a big role in the game being a slog.

 

[Nathan Barley]

If we play Melbourne again I wonder how we prepare for Petracca. Might just be a case of preparing better around clearances and having Oscar provide a better contest but I can't see them beating us without him kicking a bag again

 

[irel]

Thoroughly unimpressed with either side after that game. Melbourne's bog average forward line is genuinely costing them a dynasty.

If I was Melbourne: Lynch is a mercenary, I'd be throwing the kitchen, the sink, even the outhouse at Richmond to get him over.

 

[Grasshopper17]

Other funny thing is that if this happened in NRL it wouldn't even be a question- would be weeks. If a player is falling and is collected High they still get a consequence. No one means to do it unless they’re a thug.

Funny how there are now a few things you can still do in AFL that the NRL have banned. Hip drop tackles for example... as an AFL translation this is where you run someone down from behind. Imagine if that was outlawed from our game!

 

[Grasshopper17]

Thoroughly unimpressed with either side after that game. Melbourne's bog average forward line is genuinely costing them a dynasty. They had plenty of ball but the dump kicks inside I50 remind of their game style in 2019. The delivery isn't doing their forwards any favours but they've got Fritsch and Kozzie and that's about it for forward weapons, albiet Petracca also seems to have a keen goal sense whenever we play them.

Generally, I thought Collingwood looked far more dangerous with the ball in hand, especially when they were able to pull off the short 45 kick into the corridor. Melbourne were far too slow off turnover to be able to capitalise effectively. The weather obviously played a big role in the game being a slog.

Genuinely thought the weather played very little effect from midway through the second quarter. Felt the biggest influences on the game were Melbourne's complete domination of Collingwood in midfield, and stopping them from get any semblance of handball chains going from that point on. Coupled with their own complete inability to formulate any coherent method of scoring.

Quite bizarre how you can be so completely dominant at one facet of the game but so completely inept at another, at the same time of the same game.

 

[Sanchez365]

Genuinely thought the weather played very little effect from midway through the second quarter. Felt the biggest influences on the game were Melbourne's complete domination of Collingwood in midfield, and stopping them from get any semblance of handball chains going from that point on. Coupled with their own complete inability to formulate any coherent method of scoring.

Quite bizarre how you can be so completely dominant at one facet of the game but so completely inept at another, at the same time of the same game.

Melbourne's forward line has heavily relied on Petracca being a leading target and kicking goals. Once Bradshaw got KOed they had to move him into the midfield which essentially neutered their forward line.

That in addition to Pickett somehow not able to hit the side of a barn and Fritsh literally missing his boot. So frustrating when those Melbourne blokes can't miss when they play us.

 

[Sanchez365]

Also, if Maynard gets off for potentially ending brayshaws career that will be a travesty. Imo, similar to the Cripps incident last year, if you elect to leave the ground and it isn't a marking contest, and then you absolutely shitmix someone. You face the consequences. I don't personally think Maynard meant to nail him that hard, but the MRO is very reactionary to the result of the collision and should be consistent here.

I graded it as Careless conduct, high impact and high contact, which works out to 2 weeks. I'm sure he will get some kind of "good bloke" discount though, and it was glaring how the incident wasn't discussed on 7 after the game, and now there are 3 articles on afl.com already defending the "football act".

 

[Tom14]

If we play Melbourne again I wonder how we prepare for Petracca. Might just be a case of preparing better around clearances and having Oscar provide a better contest but I can't see them beating us without him kicking a bag again

Bring back robbo for 1 game to do a maynard and take out another melbourne mid in the first 15 mins so he can't play permanent forward?

 

[McIvor]

Maynard- though it may have been an accident, the tribunal don't accept "whoops" as a defence. Careless is a category.

Did you see Tom Brown after the game mercifully defending and imploring that Maynard did nothing wrong. For talking heads that are supposed to be impartial, he did nothing but show his bias as if he was presenting a case to the tribunal. Now, do you reckon he acts the same if that’s Dayne Zorko in the same position. Brown again embarrassed himself and the sooner this clown and his one eyed paracholism is of our screens the better.

 

[McIvor]

Also, if Maynard gets off for potentially ending brayshaws career that will be a travesty. Imo, similar to the Cripps incident last year, if you elect to leave the ground and it isn't a marking contest, and then you absolutely shitmix someone. You face the consequences. I don't personally think Maynard meant to nail him that hard, but the MRO is very reactionary to the result of the collision and should be consistent here.

I graded it as Careless conduct, high impact and high contact, which works out to 2 weeks. I'm sure he will get some kind of "good bloke" discount though, and it was glaring how the incident wasn't discussed on 7 after the game, and now there are 3 articles on afl.com already defending the "football act".

The thing that annoys me the most is that you can see behind the deals being done to get this thug off because there are enough Collingwood apologists in the media that won’t flinch when he’s not cited because Christian will say it’s a football act which you can certainly make the case. It’s clear as day Maynard turned into Brayshaw to make him earn it. I don’t think he meant to KO him either but he did and he should suffer the consequences.

 

[Sanchez365]

The thing that annoys me the most is that you can see behind the deals being done to get this thug off because there are enough Collingwood apologists in the media that won’t flinch when he’s not cited because Christian will say it’s a football act which you can certainly make the case. It’s clear as day Maynard turned into Brayshaw to make him earn it. I don’t think he meant to KO him either but he did and he should suffer the consequences.

I just don't know how jumping in the air to smother is a football act. It would have made more sense for him to dive forward on the ground to close the distance in that case.

Personally I do feel if you leave the ground in a non marking contest, and you make contact with the head. It's going to be a suspension.

 

[Dom PC]

Personally I think Maynard should get off. He is literally jumping up as high as he can to smother the ball, then when he misses, while in the air he braces for contact.

Incidental Contact for me. Free kick and that's it.

I don't want people missing games for an accident like that...

 

[Nathan Barley]

Only issue is Maynard braced for contact making it worse for Brayshaw

 

[martinson]

The thing that annoys me the most is that you can see behind the deals being done to get this thug off because there are enough Collingwood apologists in the media that won’t flinch when he’s not cited because Christian will say it’s a football act which you can certainly make the case. It’s clear as day Maynard turned into Brayshaw to make him earn it. I don’t think he meant to KO him either but he did and he should suffer the consequences.

Maynard didn't expect Brayshaw to keep coming when he took off to smother . By the time the kick was away Maynard had committed What goes against him is he didn't attempt to half pull out , which I doubt he could've and just decided to defend himself.

Initially I thought he'd get out of it ,with Brayshaw done for finals they'll probably give him a week.

 

[Nunez]

No issue him jumping to spoil, but to come down braced was a choice and a bad one at that. Should get two weeks.

 

[Elixuh]

No issue him jumping to spoil, but to come down braced was a choice and a bad one at that. Should get two weeks.

Having the benefit to think about it overnight, I agree. He wanted to put on a big hit and make some contact early in a final. There were other options available to him.

But I still think he gets off. There is enough to do some mental gymnastics to justify it.

 

[rye]

hope carlton get smashed tonight so the stupid carlton finals hub banner no longer appears everytime i check this site on mobile

 

[Nunez]

Having the benefit to think about it overnight, I agree. He wanted to put on a big hit and make some contact early in a final. There were other options available to him.

But I still think he gets off. There is enough to do some mental gymnastics to justify it.

Would laugh if he gets off for the bump but a week for the headbut lol.

 

[Dom PC]

I find it bizarre people think Maynard has much of a choice there other than to brace for contact. He is mid air... these guys aren't robots, nor do they have wings to magically change direction mid air.

Think you guys are being really harsh. But will have to agree to disagree.

Knowing the AFL's track record he'll get 3 weeks and I'll have egg on my face. Won't change my mind but.

 

[martinson]

I find it bizarre people think Maynard has much of a choice there other than to brace for contact. He is mid air... these guys aren't robots, nor do they have wings to magically change direction mid air.

Think you guys are being really harsh. But will have to agree to disagree.

Knowing the AFL's track record he'll get 3 weeks and I'll have egg on my face. Won't change my mind but.

Since Brayshaw got knocked out they'll have to look at it from his perspective and might suspend Maynard. But they've got plenty of time to put up the case as you've outlined and in the end he'll likely get out of it.

 

[3KZ is Football]

No issue him jumping to spoil, but to come down braced was a choice and a bad one at that. Should get two weeks.

Absolutely. He should get 2 weeks minimum. He had a duty of care to Brayshaw. He could have put his arms in front of himself to push off or cushion the contact, instead he chose to turn it into a bump. No problems that Maynard was trying to smother, because that was a football act…but what followed was careless, quite cowardly, and led to a player being knocked out and stretchered off.

 

[Section 5]

The lawyers will get involved in the end.
Just refer it to tribunal is the best starting point.
Easy enough to class it as Careless (the shoulder bit) - Impact is High/Severe (Concussion)
That puts the sanction in the 2 weeks to 3+ matches (tribunal) area.