Off Season Recruiting Expectations

[Smalls0304]

Plus why do we want every clubs B-grade players that arent good enough for them? Sure i love what Wright has done but i dont want 4 Wrights every year clogging our list. Either potential A-Grade(Marchbank) talent or hit the draft. 27yr old Grimes? lol no thanks.

 

[Blue__Balls]

Plus why do we want every clubs B-grade players that arent good enough for them? Sure i love what Wright has done but i dont want 4 Wrights every year clogging our list. Either potential A-Grade(Marchbank) talent or hit the draft. 27yr old Grimes? lol no thanks.

It's about the cost vs benefit.

Rank our senior players from 1-40.

We can replace player 35-40 on the list with draftees who we hope will be best 22 moving forward.
We can replace players 32-34 via trading for players who we hope will be best 22 moving forward.
We can replace players 30-31 with free agents who will be best 22 for a year or two while the draftees develop.

That turns our players ranked 23-29 into the new 33-40, improving our quality and depth dramatically.

 

[BluesRule]

Its unrealistic & idiotic to sit here and say get the GWS4, T.Mitchell, a bunch of B-Graders while not trading any picks and acquiring top 2x 20 picks. We have less currency than last year, the GWS4 are stronger with more attention than last year & the rules have been changed about back loading picks unlike last year. Which 12 players are tradable that hold currency and would be wanted? Give me some examples of how any of this could happen please.

Feel like I am writing an assignment for school, but here goes some fantasy trades version 1

1. Trade Tuohy and #49 to GWS for Marchbank with Stewart, McKenna and WHE as steak knifes. As Sydney want Tuohy, will please GWS to piss Sydney off. Tuohy gives GWS quality/experience in defence. Add our third rounder in 2017 if we can add Steele to the deal.
2. Trade Everitt to GCS. He was our leading goal kicker in 2015 and if he can regain form then he is a handy player for a club that needs depth. Upgrade our pick #41 to their pick #22 which is a lot less than was offered last year. If cheeky could also ask for pick #56 that GCS will not use or Leslie who may be delisted by them as steak knifes).
3. Trade KJ to the Dogs for pick #30. Massive downgrade on a former pick #6 for a player with talent who cannot get it together at CFC to a club that is crying out for a young KPD. KJ has shown us and GWS that he is a KPD (a position we have covered).
4. Trade Kreuzer to GWS as ruck back up for Mumford. This is an area that GWS do not have covered and we could get the pies pick #9 if we also hand over pick #30 as they are likely to lose #9 this year in matching bids for Perryman and Setterfield. As they only need one first round pick (they keep worst case #18? and #17?) this should be win/win.
5. Grab Grimes and Walters as RFA. Not sure about Harvey as a DFA as not sure he would do it.
6.See if any of the Dogs excess midfielders will go DFA if we offer them enough $ to make it work.

Outcomes:
Picks #5, #9, #22, #23 and rookie upgrade Byrne at #77.
Grimes, Walters, Leslie, say Stevens, Marchbank, Stewart, McKenna/Steele and WHE. Boomer?
NOW I AM NOT SAYING THIS WILL HAPPEN - JUST THAT IT IS PLAUSIBLE.

 

[BluesRule]

Plus why do we want every clubs B-grade players that arent good enough for them? Sure i love what Wright has done but i dont want 4 Wrights every year clogging our list. Either potential A-Grade(Marchbank) talent or hit the draft. 27yr old Grimes? lol no thanks.

Grimes is depth. Played OK for the Dees this year, but will not get games next year as their midfield is good. We need midfield depth till the kids we draft develop.

 

[BluesRule]

Plus why do we want every clubs B-grade players that arent good enough for them? Sure i love what Wright has done but i dont want 4 Wrights every year clogging our list. Either potential A-Grade(Marchbank) talent or hit the draft. 27yr old Grimes? lol no thanks.

We cannot replace 12 players by hitting the draft. At best we will have 4-5 useful picks.

 

[De Iulio2Wiggins]

Prestia
O’Meara

 

[Weiterbot23]

If we can get marchbank and keep pick 5 I'll be happy.

No real big fish required.

Tomlinson also would be good.

 

[Show_Me_The_Money]

What are you realistic off-season recruiting expectations for Carlton? That encompasses draft and trade week.

Please be realistic.

What recruiting outcome do you think is challenging, yet still realistically attainable, and if delivered you'd sit back and be happy/content with?

Mine would be :

Get a good young midfielder at pick 5. Midfield is arguably our biggest list hole so we should use our first pick on the best midfielder.

Get Marchbank and Tomlinson without giving up pick 23. Getting these two settles our defense for the future and we still retain a good pick. Whether we get Stewart is irrelevant to me.

I accept we may have to give up pick 41 and maybe some other picks or non crucial players (Kreuzer, Everitt types).

Retain all of our good young players.

I don't expect we will trade Gibbs or Casboult, the two players I believe are the most likely value chips we would potentially entertain trading if the price was right.

So for me we walk away with 4 good young players. Not quite 6 or 7 but better than just 2.

It will be fun to revisit this thread after the draft to see if the club exceeded, met or fell short of your hopes.

I'm of the firm belief if you get can get two drafts right in a row (ie pick up 6-8 future guns) then you are well on the way to Premiership contention in the future. So far we've got three (Weitering, Curnow, SOS) out of last year's draft with the potential of Cunningham and McKay also coming good. If we could get another three definites in this year's draft with the potential of another two also coming good, added to Ben Silvagni the following year we are going to be a force in 2-3 years, especially if we can top up with a few freebies.

I would also go with a mid with our first pick and then again at 23. I think we've got our height covered better than our midfield group. Happy to give up Kreuzer or even Casboult for the right price. Everitt will obviously go but I'd be gobsmacked if we got much value for a player looking for his fourth club.

 

[Blueboys7]

Grimes is depth. Played OK for the Dees this year, but will not get games next year as their midfield is good. We need midfield depth till the kids we draft develop.

Has Grimes ever been a midfielder?

 

[Sinjin Smith]

1. Keep pick 5 for the draft
2. Get Marchbank and Tomlinson
3. Stay well clear of Omeara

No idea on how we do number 2 but SOS worked some serious magic last year so who knows. If we pay up big for Omeara I'll be shocked to be sitting here.

 

[BluesRule]

Has Grimes ever been a midfielder?

Say the same thing about Wright last year, and Goddard at the Bombers...

 

[Das2Blue]

i'm more than happy for SOS to except a trade for any/all of our players over 26, be that Murph ,Gibbs,Kreuzer or tuohy (only players with value)for draft picks this or next..
let SOS trawl thru AFL delisted players for talent/top ups
go draft hunting and gather best available...

my thinking is ..we are shit now with these over 26yo players , we may as well do a Essendon and run next year with youngsters and top ups finish bottom but have a shit load of up side.. AFL would surely have to give us extra pick next year too , could seriously have 5 picks inside top 30 next year

 

[Prem17]

I don't know who is worth what as I am not a list manager but for me, I think we should do our best to keep pick 5 unless someone like Mitchell/JOM/FYFE nominate us.
The rest, ie Marchbank, Tomlinson, Stewart, Steele should be covered in the same manner that we used last year. Trade out for the best possible picks then use those picks to either on trade for players or upgrade for better picks.
I love Touhy as a player but we can cover his loss in the short term with Docherty and Byrne.
We should be looking at getting players like Horlin-Smith, Hrovat and some delisted free agents if they fill a need.
So for me, it's 2 first round picks, a couple in the 20's, the addition of at least Marchbank if he passes medicals and a delisted free agent that covers a specific need (a fit Morabito).
A ruckman looking for more opportunity would be good as well.

 

[thylacine60]

Has Grimes ever been a midfielder?

doesn't matter - everyone on our list becomes a midfielder - we have huge holes now jamo & walks have left

 

[AB_Blue]

An inside mid capable of relieving pressure off Cripps and Gibbs.

Barlow would be cheap and we could get 2-3 years out of him.

Draft an inside/outside type mid to help with the transition from stoppages.

Load up on top 30 picks if we can

 

[The Blue Baggers]

Tomlinson not going anywhere

Marchbank is the one to target

 

[Weiterbot23]

An inside mid capable of relieving pressure off Cripps and Gibbs.

Barlow would be cheap and we could get 2-3 years out of him.

Draft an inside/outside type mid to help with the transition from stoppages.

Load up on top 30 picks if we can

Barlow is only 28, I'd much rather him than Boomer (as has been discussed around the place).

Put him in the trenches for 3 years to make sure Gibbs and Murph get pure outside ball and prolong their careers.


Obviously I wouldn't want to give up anything good for him, one of our third rounders max.

 

[Gingerbread man]

An inside mid capable of relieving pressure off Cripps and Gibbs.

Barlow would be cheap and we could get 2-3 years out of him.

Draft an inside/outside type mid to help with the transition from stoppages.

Load up on top 30 picks if we can

I would be happy with this if we could get Barlow for next to nothing, would be great support for our mids and then the dream is to try and get another 2 picks in the top 30 and some how slide Marchbank in there. Not sure if it's possible, but if SOS is a wizard like he's reported to be we might get a little more.

 

[Jabba73]

Barlow is only 28, I'd much rather him than Boomer (as has been discussed around the place).

Put him in the trenches for 3 years to make sure Gibbs and Murph get pure outside ball and prolong their careers.


Obviously I wouldn't want to give up anything good for him, one of our third rounders max.

There is a very long list of things I would rather than Boomer.

Vickery nearly makes that list, ffs.

 

[Jeremias]

The next few months are going to be very interesting from a list management perspective.

I expect the club to be active yet again with a heavy investment in the draft as well as the trade and free agency periods.

Last year we were able to kick-start the rebuild with plenty of currency at the trade table - in many respects we were lucky that Henderson, Yarran and Bell all wanted out and we were able to extract strong value for all three. We then had Menzel who wasn't seen as someone who could help us through a rebuild - and we were able to swap him for something that could.

This year will no doubt be tougher because we just don't have the same level of currency to play with - not that I see us being keen to move on, anyway.

Regardless I expect there to be anywhere between 9 and 15 changes to the senior list. How will we fill those spots?

Rookie elevation:
Despite the knee injury Byrne is a certainty to find his way onto the senior list.

Draft:
Last year we took 5 picks in the national draft and my guess is we'll be looking at something similar this year.
We're currently sitting on 3 picks inside the top 50 with a 4th likely to join them shortly given the Dogs' injury woes.
No doubt we'll be looking to move up the draft board with a strong emphasis to be placed on having a greater presence in the first two rounds of the draft.

Trade:
Strap yourselves in because SOS will once again be taking us on a bumpy ride with plenty of wheeling and dealing expected.
As is the case every year there are players available across multiple quality categories and I expect us to hold a level of interest across the board.
There are some top level footballers available and whilst I'd love for at least one to be wearing navy blue in 2017, it seems somewhat unlikely at this stage.
Last year our trades were solely focused on the next tier down - youth - and I expect that's where the bulk of our activity will be this year as well.
The third category is trading for more experienced players and whilst I do think there's certain value in going down that path, I'm not convinced it's part our plan to do so at this stage.
I expect to see as many as 5 new faces at the club next year brought in via trading.

Free agency:
We were active players last year with both Wright and Gorringe joining and I expect us to once again go down this path. The number of list spots we have available after the all of the above has transpired will ultimately determine our level of activity here.
The restricted and unrestricted free agency pool is somewhat uninspiring as a whole this year but there are a couple of names I see as potentially being able to fill a role - Blair, Grimes and Harvey in particular.
Wright and Gorringe were both delisted so we'll get a clearer picture of potential worthwhile targets over the coming weeks as players are let go around the country.
My guess is we'll see 1-2 new faces through free agency.

 

[TheLeftFooters]

I would be happy with this if we could get Barlow for next to nothing, would be great support for our mids and then the dream is to try and get another 2 picks in the top 30 and some how slide Marchbank in there. Not sure if it's possible, but if SOS is a wizard like he's reported to be we might get a little more.

Id rather try and get Koby Stevens from the doggies as an inside midfielder over Barlow. Marchbank is the main target but apparently he wants to come to Carlton. Jack Steele would be a grouse get but he wants to goto the Saints.
Stuart is the go i think, having Mckay, stuart, curnow and SOS2 as targets up forward would scare anyone. Draft Ainsworth and pick up Boomer with a coaching role after he has retired. Turn Ainsworth into boomer 2.0.
Then steal draft picks from GWS and GCS.

 

[Jabba73]

Please no, do not want Boomer. Selfish footballer, it is all about him.

Plays well when the team is on a roll, fades out of games when he is needed most.

 

[gbatman]

There is so much we need it's not funny. We still need talls and also quality midfielders. Probably need to chase mids who are neither inside or outside but are both and have a bit of pace and good disposal so basically quality. We aren't short on good average players who can play a role. You'd like to think we are in good health in our forward line and if we get Marchbank then good health down back as well. A tall athletic defender who has great attacking skills and can play on smaller quicker opponents like Tomlinson would be good. We lack power midfielders. Guys like Dangerfield and Shiel who can break away and win contests. We're ok for medium/small defenders. A small forward or ruck with a later pick or rookie pick or cheap trade could be worth a look. We need to trade our better fringe players for good young core players where possible.

If we can have a similar draft to last year and get a heap of early picks then that would be great but it will likely take a greater sacrifice of established players. No point trading for second rate role player types, already got them.

 

[Jimmae]

OK now that the dust is starting to settle with trade options, I'll say this:

If we don't get an improvement on Levi for our senior KPF role for next season, I will lose it. I've no problem with him being in the team in a ruck or forward/ruck role, but the idea of the ball being kicked into Jones and Casboult when we need senior support is doing my head in.

Stewart is an absolute must, as is losing 2 talls from the remaining senior group. If we get bigger returns from Gorringe and McKay next season, that's a bonus.

 

[gbatman]

I would think that we should explore a trade for Casboult, if no one is offering anything good thought we should keep him, don't want to give him away. It may be too early to trade him this year, especially if Kreuzer gets traded, another trade we should explore. McKay hasn't played a game, Gorringe can't ruck and Phillips doesn't offer a lot forward yet so still need depth, we don't want to be in a situation where we get injuries and have no one to cover. Get a season into McKay and Curnow, pick up another tall forward somewhere along the lines and then trade Casboult who hopefully will not have lost trade value.
We should be looking at an older ruckman on the cheap who can give us a few seasons or perhaps a trade for a ready to go youngster like we did with Phillips. I'm not keen on spending big for ruckmen. We got lucky last season with minimal injuries to our ruckmen. We should be shopping Kreuzer and we have lost Wood. Definitely should be thinking small forwards or rucks with later picks. Key players, talls and mids with our early picks. Possibly look at using future picks to use in trades while taking early ones to the draft. I can see us with extra late first round and early to mid second round picks if we trade aggressively. I would be happy to back Jones to hold down a position and play every game next year, he played some reasonable footy last year, will be hitting his prime age and is now "having a go" out there. I still think he is the best tall forward currently on our list and we should back him in.