List Mgmt. OFFICIAL: Dangerfield + Pick 50 for Picks 9, 28 and Dean Gore

[dazbroncos]

You have got to be kidding me.
Yeah let's be Essendon.

Essendon... The destination club clearly..

Totally agree..
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[Turbocat]

Totally agree we are not ruthless enough

Is that what we really want..."Ruthless"... having or showing no pity or compassion for others ? ie cruel heartless etc.

Id question that we are a club that can appear amiable to deal with , perhaps even easy.. certainly we have the rep for being good to deal with. Good cause we get a deal done or good cause the other side always feels that they get full value? But are we pushovers? Is it that the case? I have said it appears like we are paying overs all the time to get the deal done , perhaps we are but would being ruthless get better results? Maybe , maybe not... and what consequences does it have for future recruitment?

Most media I have heard thing we paid overs for the group of players we have added , but most media have us as the big winners as well.

The Danger one annoys me a tad as I believe we should have been able to get him as FA , but wanting something doesn't make it so. They are dealing with the reality of the situation. The full cost will only be determined after looking at our draft and see if we can gather a late pick or 2 that can become a player for us.
Most would say we paid the most (proportionally) for LH. Again he should have been a FA but thats not the case with current rules. So just what that does to us next year is yet to be determined..but I'm optimistic with this one. If we improve a late R1 pick for him could end up being a clever deal. And I do suspect we will try to get back into the draft some how. Costly yes. Restrictive yes.

That age article put one spin on it... to my mind that its pretty much the old Allan Jeans analogy of buying a bargain pair of shoes verses buying the best most comfortable pair. The cheap ones pinch , they cause constant discomfort and in the end are unused. The other pair cost more , maybe too much but once on , they feel right , they support , they are all that you could have hoped. His point was to make his team pay the price..and that they did..V us. Id say Ottens was like that , the longer it went the price paid was almost irrelevant. If they perform as hoped the price we have paid for Danger and Hendo will be almost irrelevant as well. Their performance and Wells picks at the draft will determine the success of our approach.

 

[dazbroncos]

Totally agree we are not ruthless enough

But it must be cool because the Hawks do it right?

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[BigCat1]

You have got to be kidding me.
Yeah let's be Essendon.

Apart from their off field issues and and ladder position (hence not a "destination" club) what's wrong with their actual trading??

They string it out but they get what they want. Carlisle, Ryer, Melksham, Goodard, Luenburger all massive win trades in terms of the actual trade.

Perception and reality again

 

[cats_09]

Apart from their off field issues and and ladder position (hence not a "destination" club) what's wrong with their actual trading??

They string it out but they get what they want. Carlisle, Ryer, Melksham, Goodard, Luenburger all massive win trades in terms of the actual trade.

Perception and reality again

Goddard and Luengurger were both free agents, so no trading required on the part of Essendon; a different scenario to actually having to agree on a trade for those players. They ended up in mediation with the GC when Caddy asked for a trade the year before he came to us, and they couldn't come to an agreement even with the AFL's help.

They may get some trades done in the end, but there is also occasions where they require a 3rd or 4th team to get involved for terms to become satisfactory - Sydney become involved in the Carisle trade the year, in 2009 the big 3 team trade involving Essendon, Port and Hawthorn then saw us get involved very late to help satisfy teams for traded draft picks.

I wouldn't be putting Essendon on the pedestal for positive trading form or 'how to approach trade week'. They are known as notoriously difficult team to deal with.

 

[manboob]

Yep, you've got 2 clubs to deal with Essendon or Geelong/Hawks? You go the latter any day of the week.

 

[Willo_]

Yep, you've got 2 clubs to deal with Essendon or Geelong/Hawks? You go the latter any day of the week.

I'm pretty sure I read an article that said Dodoro is an absolute campaigner to deal with, to the point some clubs won't even entertain the idea of trading with Essendon for the headaches involved.

 

[dazbroncos]

I'm pretty sure I read an article that said Dodoro is an absolute campaigner to deal with, to the point some clubs won't even entertain the idea of trading with Essendon for the headaches involved.

And the inverse just about would be us.

Happy to be that way too.

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[Willo_]

And the inverse just about would be us.

Happy to be that way too.

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yeah I think they mentioned on trade radio that part of the reason Geelong has become a 'destination club' is because the managers know if a player wants to come to us it will get done with minimum fuss...

Who is to say that if a player is considering 2 clubs the fact we can make it happen pain free compared to an Essendon, who will kick and scream and sometimes not even do it isn't a deciding factor.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Just saw a guy on the mb suggest all the players better than PFD, so can we get our picks back. This guy is clearly actually hack......

Now back on earth.... It still is a bit surreal that we've actually got PFD™

 

[BigCat1]

Ha ha again. They got Goddard and Luey when both clubs threatened to match but got spooked and didn't....... clear win for Essendon.

It's ridiculous to think "clubs" dont deal with each other. What player now doesn't nominate a club and demand "get me there"............and they do.

Even with the Caddy trade they were offering a first round pick and Hooker........ So you are laughing at them or the GC????

I absolutely HATE Essendon but its plain wrong to them in regards to trading.

I'd also be careful about chest beating that we are a destination club. It's got to with ladder position and being home for a few players. It has absolutely nothing to do with being easy traders. A few years in the middle of the ladder and I can't see too many Melb born/based players wanting to relocate to Geelong. Which was our problem for ever

 

[Art Vandelay_]

You have got to be kidding me.
Yeah let's be Essendon.

Essendon... The destination club clearly..

Totally agree..
Go Catters

Apart from their off field issues and and ladder position (hence not a "destination" club) what's wrong with their actual trading??

They string it out but they get what they want. Carlisle, Ryer, Melksham, Goodard, Luenburger all massive win trades in terms of the actual trade.

Perception and reality again

Essendon being "ruthless" at the trade table doesn't always work and rather than getting hung up on trying to win a trade ala Essendon style we actually just set about getting the players we want into the club.

As for this trade period, we got some players for unders and some overs. On the whole we did well this trade period.

Now back to Essendon, clubs actively seek to avoid trading with them which limits their ability to fix holes in their list as clubs will trade away players to other clubs before even considering EFC. Notice how those examples of their good trading is players leaving the club, not joining it

 

[BigCat1]

Now back to Essendon, clubs actively seek to avoid trading with them which limits their ability to fix holes in their list as clubs will trade away players to other clubs before even considering EFC. Notice how those examples of their good trading is players leaving the club, not joining it

Says who?? We trade with them all the time. Which clubs refuses to deal with them. And you obviously believe its the clubs who decide where players go.

Goddard and Luey picked them. Caddy as well. Maybe right now players are avoiding them but I think they have a few other issues. Ie that small scandal and the fact they are garbage and will be for the next 3-4 years.

Anyway its off topic but these myths perpetuate and its frustrating. It's like the unsociable hawks. They don't win flags b/c they scare ppl. They win them b/c they are currently the best team.

 

[cats_09]

Ha ha again. They got Goddard and Luey when both clubs threatened to match but got spooked and didn't....... clear win for Essendon.

It's ridiculous to think "clubs" dont deal with each other. What player now doesn't nominate a club and demand "get me there"............and they do.

Even with the Caddy trade they were offering a first round pick and Hooker........ So you are laughing at them or the GC????

I absolutely HATE Essendon but its plain wrong to them in regards to trading.

I'd also be careful about chest beating that we are a destination club. It's got to with ladder position and being home for a few players. It has absolutely nothing to do with being easy traders. A few years in the middle of the ladder and I can't see too many Melb born/based players wanting to relocate to Geelong. Which was our problem for ever

Alternatively, both St Kilda & Brisbane knew that the compensation on offer was better than anything that Essendon would offer up for either Goddard or Luey and that realistically they didn't have a leg to stand on as those players would have walked from the club, meaning zero compensation for their original team & ended up at their new teams through the draft.

Name one club that hasn't threatened to match a team when they look likely a restricted free agent - Adelaide did it with Dangerfield, West Coast did it with S. Selwood, I'm quite sure that even the Hawks didn't role over in the first hour that the deal from the Swans to Buddy was announced. All clubs pretend to play tough and hard ball with restricted free agents, but as of yet none have been matched and that is generally because the offer put to the player is at a level their original club isn't interested in matching - nothing to do with the team that the player is actually going to. Adelaide were the most realistic option to match because of the offer we put to Dangerfield, but it never got to that stage as we never went through the FA procedure.

The trade offer for Caddy was a pick 19 and a player in either Hooker (49 games at the time and not exactly the best 22 player he is now) or Gumbleton - don't blame the GC on passing on that offer because if Essendon were serious they would have actually put a serious offer on the table for Caddy, instead they hoped that the GC would blink which didn't happen.

 

[BigCat1]

great so maybe Essendon actually knew their players and what they were capable of. Caddy was hardly a lock in the GC 22 either. He'd played 2 games!!

Maybe we should have traded Cocky. He's not in our best 25 at the minute.

Too say that Essendon didn't put a good/decent/fair offer in for Caddy just isn't true. Hooker's now in the best 50 players in the comp.

Had they had the "get him at any cost" and done the trade they would be the butt of many more jokes.

 

[Ricky Vaughn]

great so maybe Essendon actually knew their players and what they were capable of. Caddy was hardly a lock in the GC 22 either. He'd played 2 games!!

Maybe we should have traded Cocky. He's not in our best 25 at the minute.

Too say that Essendon didn't put a good/decent/fair offer in for Caddy just isn't true. Hooker's now in the best 50 players in the comp.

Had they had the "get him at any cost" and done the trade they would be the butt of many more jokes.

Based on potential, I'd take Cockatoo over Dean Gore and pick 28 every day of the week.

 

[BigCat1]

that was my point.

 

[EnjoyerOfDampCats]

we had all the leverage in this deal. Adelaide didn't blink. we did. good for them

 

[BUSTER29]

we had all the leverage in this deal. Adelaide didn't blink. we did. good for them

Thems ideas will not be popular round these parts.

 

[pussygalore]

"Ricky Vaughn, post: 41927218, member: 159886 based on potential, I'd take Cockatoo over Dean Gore and pick 28 every day of the week.

I would of kept both kids and shoved H-S down there throat. I would have even given them a 2 for 1 special of Cowan and Smedts to keep Gore.

 

[dazbroncos]

I would of kept both kids and shoved H-S down there throat. I would have even given them a 2 for 1 special of Cowan and Smedts to keep Gore.

You do realise that thus concept is just fantasy unless Cowan and Smedts agreed….

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[Art Vandelay_]

Thems ideas will not be popular round these parts.

So you expected us to get him for free I take it?

Personally I'd rather use some draft picks to ensure that we don't use up cap space unnecessarily, which may then go towards retaining Motlop, Duncan, caddy etc in the next 2-3 years where their contracts expire, as rest assured going down the FA path would have resulted in PFD costing us 1.2m minimum to price out Adelaide.

Of course the next argument will be "hold out til the end and get PD on the last day for less" , problem being that moving those picks set the wheels in motion for other clubs to deal with each other which saw the cards fall into the right place to get other deals done.

Wait until the last day and who knows, we may not have gotten Henderson or Smith, and for what, to bend Adelaide over and get PD that little bit cheaper than what we did. We took the most prudent, least risky option and I commend the club for that.

We got every player we were after and didn't break the bank to do so.

 

[Catatonic Shock]

So you expected us to get him for free I take it?

Personally I'd rather use some draft picks to ensure that we don't use up cap space unnecessarily, which may then go towards retaining Motlop, Duncan, caddy etc in the next 2-3 years where their contracts expire, as rest assured going down the FA path would have resulted in PFD costing us 1.2m minimum to price out Adelaide.

Of course the next argument will be "hold out til the end and get PD on the last day for less" , problem being that moving those picks set the wheels in motion for other clubs to deal with each other which saw the cards fall into the right place to get other deals done.

Wait until the last day and who knows, we may not have gotten Henderson or Smith, and for what, to bend Adelaide over and get PD that little bit cheaper than what we did. We took the most prudent, least risky option and I commend the club for that.

We got every player we were after and didn't break the bank to do so.

We got PFD on an unders long term contract, for what is effectively a first and second rounder, also unders, and people still find a reason to bitch about it...

 

[meto]

I would of kept both kids and shoved H-S down there throat. I would have even given them a 2 for 1 special of Cowan and Smedts to keep Gore.

The only black mark with trade period was the give up of Gore, why sell the farm if the guy was a free agent. Sometimes you've got to stand your ground and say we're giving up our 2016 draft as it is,"we'll choose the player."
The only saving grace I see is that Horlin-Smith averaged 21 senior possessions in the 3 games he played toward seasons end, he might give us something in coming years? ....And Smedts, I wish Wells never squandered the P16 he gave up for Billie.

 

[PatrickField]

Im know im new here and all but is it really acceptable to be referring to Paddy as PFD?

We know what the F stands for. We are not 4 year olds.






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