2nds Official Swans Academy Thread (Player News and Discussion)

[Ticky009]

Off topic

Not anymore,

 

[rustycrate]

No, it was a job done. We didn't have a single live pick for the rest of the draft after that pick 4. Such is life when matching bids on academy players so I'm neither critical nor complimentary of our efforts there. It is what it is.

A better argument would be 2018, where our pick swap shenanigans allowed us to have another live pick after matching the bid on Blakey. But even then, it didn't help us get Blakey at all. He was already ours. What it did was help us get Rowbottom too. Job done getting Blakey, job well done getting Rowbottom. I guess that is how I'd define it but to each their own.

You are a glass half empty guy. I have nothing against that. Diversity is good.

 

[caesar88]

You are a glass half empty guy. I have nothing against that. Diversity is good.

I am glass half full with KB! The guy gets an A+ from me on the draft front every day of the week.

 

[rustycrate]

I am glass half full with KB! The guy gets an A+ from me on the draft front every day of the week.

I'm just having a dig. Dismiss me.

 

[rustycrate]

I'm just having a dig. Dismiss me.

C88. You are one of the arteries of this forum. You are vital. You create discussion. That is very valuable for a site like this. I am never malicious 99% of the time. I value your contributions. Most people I know when I meet them, I subtly push them mentally. Its just a part of me. I like to see the reaction. Most people that get to know me, grow with me. I push people's boundaries. I have lot's of great friends for life.
But I'm always searching......

 

[bedford]

C88. You are one of the arteries of this forum. You are vital. You create discussion. That is very valuable for a site like this. I am never malicious 99% of the time. I value your contributions. Most people I know when I meet them, I subtly push them mentally. Its just a part of me. I like to see the reaction. Most people that get to know me, grow with me. I push people's boundaries. I have lot's of great friends for life.
But I'm always searching......

ffs where am i now Rusty

 

[Ticky009]

Congratulations to those selected.

 

[DST]

Did I read somewhere about Leo Barry

Leo Barry

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's son being really promising?

I may have imagined it.

Yes, Issac was on the very powerful Oakleigh Chargers list this year as a bottom age’r and played one practice game.

2023 will be his under 18 year and at this stage looks a likely draftee as a tall inside midfielder (unless he has a growth spurt).


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[DST]

Academy picks seem to be disregarded even by our own supporters as some kind of free hit that is exclusive to the Swans. No one talks about Brisbane's 2 "free hits" this year. Imagine if Sydney had the same players(Ashcroft and Fletcher) coming out of our academy. There would be outrage to the extent that the senior AFL puppets would be uncomfortable and maybe considering rule changes etc. No one talks about father sons that kick started Geelong's reign of success almost 2 decades ago. No one talks about Western Bulldogs father sons. No one talks about the amount of father/sons that Collingwood has enjoyed over the years. Eddie never talked about it.

I agree. Academy picks are still draft picks.
Never get sucked into the Melbourne centric narrative that Sydney has some sort of an advantage that other clubs do not.

Slight issue with your argument here. Both Ashcroft and Fletcher are father and son selections, which happen to be open to all clubs.

So you are comparing apples with oranges.


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[rustycrate]

Slight issue with your argument here. Both Ashcroft and Fletcher are father and son selections, which happen to be open to all clubs.

So you are comparing apples with oranges.


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My point is that some clubs like Collingwood, Geelong and Western Bulldogs have benefitted enormously from father sons to the point that they arguably contributed to premiership success. This is making the draft uneven. Just as these same clubs see academy picks as unfair. No one sees this as a problem or a disadvantage to other clubs.
Collingwood has had more father sons than the Swans have had academy picks.

Both father sons and academy picks have the same draft criteria.

Apples with apples.

 

[cherub]

Slight issue with your argument here. Both Ashcroft and Fletcher are father and son selections, which happen to be open to all clubs.

So you are comparing apples with oranges.


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Do you mean all clubs can have father-son selections, as opposed to any particular father-son selection is available to the general pool. Clearly the younger clubs don't have the same access as the established Victorian clubs. Even Adelaide and Fremantle have fewer f/s opportunities.

 

[bedford]

Do you mean all clubs can have father-son selections, as opposed to any particular father-son selection is available to the general pool. Clearly the younger clubs don't have the same access as the established Victorian clubs. Even Adelaide and Fremantle have fewer f/s opportunities.

No they don't if the Father played so many games in the state

 

[cherub]

No they don't if the Father played so many games in the state

It doesn't seem to work in practice. How many F/S have Freo taken.? Adelaide have had a few, but not that many. And is it a higher number of games in the lower leagues?

 

[bedford]

It doesn't seem to work in practice. How many F/S have Freo taken.? Adelaide have had a few, but not that many. And is it a higher number of games in the lower leagues?

It is what it is

 

[Mathelios]

Father Son historically has not benefitted us in any way. We have had two F/S selections since 2000, both of whom went back to Melbourne clubs after short stints in Sydney. Dunkley basically said don't pick me i want to play in Melbourne. In that time, Collingwood have picked up 12 players and Geelong have had 9. The F/S rule in and of itself is a reason why we need our academy because we just don't get the advantages from the F/S rule that the Vic clubs get, because of the fact we're in Sydney and not Melbourne.

 

[Grand Uncle Horace]

Father Son historically has not benefitted us in any way. We have had two F/S selections since 2000, both of whom went back to Melbourne clubs after short stints in Sydney. Dunkley basically said don't pick me i want to play in Melbourne. In that time, Collingwood have picked up 12 players and Geelong have had 9. The F/S rule in and of itself is a reason why we need our academy because we just don't get the advantages from the F/S rule that the Vic clubs get, because of the fact we're in Sydney and not Melbourne.

Dempster was a Premiership player and iirc encouraged to leave coz of salary cap. He had a grand career despite being at St Kilda.

 

[Jewelsbon]

Dempster was a Premiership player and iirc encouraged to leave coz of salary cap. He had a grand career despite being at St Kilda.

Yeah I never got the impression that Sean (or Adam for that matter) actually wanted to go.
Sad that neither of their sons or daughters will qualify F/C for us.

 

[Ticky009]

 

[Heeney2Franklin]

How would that work on access/bidding?

 

[Ticky009]

How would that work on access/bidding?

I don't know. I assume the one's were allowed to take under academy rules we can - the other we can't.

 

[Heeney2Franklin]

I don't know. I assume the one's were allowed to take under academy rules we can - the other we can't.

We got flogged by 13 goals we should be able to take them all!!

Remember Heeney and Mills were supposed to break the system or the comp or something and the outrage that followed Oliver is a better player than both.

How good would it be one day to have the entire swans team combined of NSW academy players much less stressful as a supporter as you know they wont get "home sick"

Anyways kinda off-topic sorry but this is a great initiation again we lead the comp when it comes to providing a path to the AFL.

 

[Cadsky]

Mark Mcveigh

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to join swans academy. Can't read full article as it's pay walled.

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/afl-2022-jordan-de-goey-lifts-the-lid-on-finding-a-balance-in-his-life-after-adhd-diagnosis/news-story/9cbdd35e427fd38272acc95a8abab898

 

[Cadsky]

Mark Mcveigh to join swans academy. Can't read full article as it's pay walled.

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/afl-2022-jordan-de-goey-lifts-the-lid-on-finding-a-balance-in-his-life-after-adhd-diagnosis/news-story/9cbdd35e427fd38272acc95a8abab898

That link seems broken?

Here's another

Mark McVeigh reportedly joins Swans academy

The GWS interim coach joins another Giant at Sydney.

www.zerohanger.com

 

[bedford]

heard this 2 weeks ago

 

[Kapers]

I can respect the fact that you both don’t agree (this would be a boring place if we all agreed on everything).

I also acknowledge that there is not enough data in recent years to form a strong conclusions against the Swans. And I certainly agree that we can look at our draft picks and make claims the Swans have chosen very strong talent - that is undeniable.

What makes me ask myself the question though is that this year our mens list will be about 2.5% Indigenous players while I believe the league average is something like 20% or more (apologies if I got this wrong). And there is a chance that next year our mens list may be 0% Indigenous.

Where did you get this statistic, I can only find 10% here:

Indigenous and Multicultural Player Summit returns in 2022

The AFL/AFLPA Indigenous and Multicultural Player Summit will return later this month

www.afl.com.au

Also, percentage of indigenous Australians is around 3.2%. Realistically if we have have on average 2%(1 Player) to 10%(4 players) I think it's impossible to argue a bias.
Futher we are taking a very small sample size, if for example, we draft 3 indigenous players this year we will immediately jump to 10%. I also wouldn't want us to draft off race to meet an imagenary quota to appear 'politcally correct'. Better to treat one indigenous player correctly, than to treat numerous badly (looking at you Hawthorn).