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Although this would not have been a slight on Buckley from his #1 fan, I think it very much indicates the Magpies hierarchy's recognition of how the club has fallen away in the last 2 seasons, something which would not have been anticipated given the average age of the 2010 premiership winning team (24 years, 1 month).
The Magpies were primed for a period of dominance under MM's coaching, but because of a knee-jerk reaction by McGuire to talk of Buckley finding his way to another club, a huge opportunity was lost & in the process a significant part of the core of that 2010 team has been/will be lost to the club & it would seem Buckley carries a fair bit of the responsibility for this.
It is all good & well for Buckley/McGuire to talk about improving the culture of the club, but you have to look a little deeper to see this is not all it is cracked up to be. Thomas & Shaw are allowed to go (after Dawes & Wellingham last year), Jolly is forced into retirement, whilst at the same time an outsider (Hudson) is given a contract extension. O'Brien gets to stay despite chucking a hissy fit at the coach during the season, Swan stays despite being the least likely to fully buy into the 'side by side' slogan & Marley Williams, who faces criminal charges for a serious assault, is elevated to the senior list. I don't see a cultural change, I see a coach who has lost a certain group of players & rather than doing the hard yards to win them back (not for a moment do I suggest letting the tail wag the dog), would rather hurt the club by moving them on, than take a good hard look at himself.
Perhaps like Ratts, Buckley is a very good assistant coach (both have now won premierships as assistant coaches), but does not have the man management skills to be a successful senior coach.
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Bucks being appointed senior coach was a SERIOUS mistake. He took over at the worst possible moment, ie when the pies were flying and the players were 100% committed to MM, who was at the top of his game.
They can talk about cultural issues all they like, but the fact is that Bucks has turned them from a machine in 2011 to an average side just two years later.
Culture cannot be the sole excuse for their under-performance. That same 'culture' almost won them back-to-back flags.
The cold hard truth is that Bucks is not a good coach. Hell he was never that good a captain, just a great player that stood out like a sore thumb in an average side.
This Bucks/McGuire lovefest will end in tears. I can see in 2 to 3 years time if they don't improve, Bucks will get the flick and the McGuire dictatorship will finally collapse.
They can talk about cultural issues all they like, but the fact is that Bucks has turned them from a machine in 2011 to an average side just two years later.
Culture cannot be the sole excuse for their under-performance. That same 'culture' almost won them back-to-back flags.
The cold hard truth is that Bucks is not a good coach. Hell he was never that good a captain, just a great player that stood out like a sore thumb in an average side.
This Bucks/McGuire lovefest will end in tears. I can see in 2 to 3 years time if they don't improve, Bucks will get the flick and the McGuire dictatorship will finally collapse.
Looks like the hawks have pulled a similar shtick as Collingwood for their best and fairest.
Not only did they advise Buddy to not attend, but when going through the 2013 premiership side in order of jumper number, they skipped Buddy completely, like he wasn't a part of the premiership.
Not only did they advise Buddy to not attend, but when going through the 2013 premiership side in order of jumper number, they skipped Buddy completely, like he wasn't a part of the premiership.
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Wow!
That's a disgrace.
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If that's the case Hawthorns' attitude, to a guy that was a pivotable part in a premiership win, is utterly pathetic.
If that's the case Hawthorns' attitude, to a guy that was a pivotable part in a premiership win, is utterly pathetic.
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FT is here to stay. Something's gonna have to be done about this shit.
Hawthorn has a fair history of shelving it's ex-players. Realise Dunstall & Dermott are there, but it took the latter a fair bit of convincing for him to come back.
Lotta ex-Hawks players haven't returned.
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That's ****ing disgraceful
Totally agree, they definitely need to change their attitude and stop acting like kids.
Buddy was a key part of their premiership win and it's just messed up that they would treat him like that, regardless of his decision to leave the club.
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Did they actually advise Buddy not to attend?
There was a report in Melbourne that he is in Sydney attending Campbell Browns's bucks night.
But having said that, pretty poor from Hawthorn not to recognise him in their premiership 22.
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Max Bailey has just announced his retirement at Hawthorns B&F.
Any SA based ppl heading to the sanfl granny today?
Saw my last game at Footy Park at the Carlton game. Will leave it at that.
Double page cover of the Sunday Mail today is a ripper, Platten, Ebert, Cornes, Mighty Rick Davies, Robran.....even Roger Luders, all decked out in the club colours...............fantastic.
Redlegs by the length of The Parade.
Be worth watching, we always pick up a player or 2 from the Nathan Bassett Finishing School.
Yes I am going. Go Norwood, do it for Freddy
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This is true.
But, Clarkson and there President also paid a massive tribute to Buddy and they also showed a 3 minute highlights package and at the end apparently everyone in the room stood up and cheered.
Huh, I didn't hear about that part. Why would they have told him not to attend then?
Still doesn't make up for not announcing as part of the premiership.
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Not sure if that is 100% true either, I think you will find that he chose not too.
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The last player I was really unhappy about losing was Aaron Hamill.
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Dockers nearly passed on gun Fyfe
Pffffffft!
Let the amateurs have their say....
Dockers nearly passed on gun Fyfe
Pffffffft!
Let the amateurs have their say....
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