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[LiquidCrow]

Was just thinking these statements from the club about not sacking anyone will look quite stupid if we get another hamstring injury tonight. The lack of an external review is worrying, but unfortunately not that surprising.

I was the first person game enough to predict Sloane was likely to return after mid-season bye from the Lisfranc strain. I got called out for being deluded by a few on here, none of them have spoken to me since about that particular prediction.
What predictions have you made on the injury front this year?

To put it bluntly, you got lucky on your Sloane injury call.

The reason I am confident in saying so, is because when I recall the first time I saw you post on this board in relation to medical related matters, you attempted to correct me on an area I specialise in. Now you obviously wouldn't have known that, but it was immediately clear that you while had "some" knowledge, you had no awareness of your limitations and gaps in said knowledge - a classic example of the Dunning Kruger effect. It is also interesting to see that over time a large amount of posters have called you out or questioned your credentials.

Later on I recall other comments and usage of terminology that confirmed those initial thoughts. The one that comes to mind was an attempt to cajole others by stating that you wouldn't be believed if you said you were an "appendix surgeon," and I remember thinking, "of course not." An "appendix surgeon" isn't a surgical sub-speciality, and anyone who had worked or trained in a hospital environment would understand that general surgeons typically do appendectomies. These procedures are usually done on an emergency list with other procedures, so there's not someone allocated to be an "appendix surgeon."

 

[Southerntakeover]

That wasn't me trying mate, I don't come on here to prove myself and to get likes.
Just pointing out a clue that I don't use Google to predict on injuries. If I did, I would have joined the mass hysteria in predicting season/career-ending injury for Sloane!

Didnt you already come out and admit you're a workers compensation case manager?

 

[John Who]

Was just thinking these statements from the club about not sacking anyone will look quite stupid if we get another hamstring injury tonight. The lack of an external review is worrying, but unfortunately not that surprising.



To put it bluntly, you got lucky on your Sloane injury call.

The reason I am confident in saying so, is because when I recall the first time I saw you post on this board in relation to medical related matters, you attempted to correct me on an area I specialise in. Now you obviously wouldn't have known that, but it was immediately clear that you while had "some" knowledge, you had no awareness of your limitations and gaps in said knowledge - a classic example of the Dunning Kruger effect. It is also interesting to see that over time a large amount of posters have called you out or questioned your credentials.

Later on I recall other comments and usage of terminology that confirmed those initial thoughts. The one that comes to mind was an attempt to cajole others by stating that you wouldn't be believed if you said you were an "appendix surgeon," and I remember thinking, "of course not." An "appendix surgeon" isn't a surgical sub-speciality, and anyone who had worked or trained in a hospital environment would understand that general surgeons typically do appendectomies. These procedures are usually done on an emergency list with other procedures, so there's not someone allocated to be an "appendix surgeon."

First of all, I always respect your posts because you're one of the more informed ones making good contributions on the subject of injuries.

Regarding Sloane's injury, I made a prediction relevant to other pieces of information eg. how long he was resting, footage of him carrying a surfboard (which I remember showing you), and what the club states the injury period would be. Google just gives you a prediction of months to years, it doesn't help with the specifics.

Here's the funny thing, all I said publicly is that I've had experiences with injuries and that I work in the health field. Do you doubt this statement from a few phrases? "appendix surgeon" was me speaking in lay terms, and using dry humour. If we're talking specifics, it's a General Surgeon. And removal of the appendix in Adelaide it's taught as the word "appendicectomy".

 

[John Who]

That was in defence to not doing an external review and when quizzed the club said no one external had come in this year. He lied.

I'm not defending Fagan, I just want to get more understanding..
Fagan said the club has invited sports scientists for review this year and even last year. So the club is saying no sports scientists were involved with a review of this year's programme? Or they mean no external review from an ex-player/coach/administrator?

 

[Southerntakeover]

Later on I recall other comments and usage of terminology that confirmed those initial thoughts. The one that comes to mind was an attempt to cajole others by stating that you wouldn't be believed if you said you were an "appendix surgeon," and I remember thinking, "of course not." An "appendix surgeon" isn't a surgical sub-speciality, and anyone who had worked or trained in a hospital environment would understand that general surgeons typically do appendectomies. These procedures are usually done on an emergency list with other procedures, so there's not someone allocated to be an "appendix surgeon."

First of all, I always respect your posts because you're one of the more informed ones making good contributions on the subject of injuries.

Regarding Sloane's injury, I made a prediction relevant to other pieces of information eg. how long he was resting, footage of him carrying a surfboard (which I remember showing you), and what the club states the injury period would be. Google just gives you a prediction of months to years, it doesn't help with the specifics.

Here's the funny thing, all I said publicly is that I've had experiences with injuries and that I work in the health field. Do you doubt this statement from a few phrases? "appendix surgeon" was me speaking in lay terms, and using dry humour. If we're talking specifics, it's a General Surgeon. And removal of the appendix in Adelaide it's taught as the word "appendicectomy".

Too funny.

'That's right, I also have knowledge. Allow me to demonstrate it by telling you exactly what you just told me.'

 

[John Who]

Too funny.

'That's right, I also have knowledge. Allow me to demonstrate it by telling you exactly what you just told me.'

I was talking on a personal level to LiquidCrow. You can interject but you won't understand what I said unless you're him.

 

[Southerntakeover]

I was talking on a personal level to LiquidCrow. You can interject but you won't understand what I said unless you're him.

No, you weren't.

You were continuing to big note on a forum with a poster who said plainly that he thinks you're making it up.

Workers compensation case managers aren't medical experts John. You know that John.

 

[John Who]

No, you weren't.

You were continuing to big note on a forum with a poster who said plainly that he thinks you're making it up.

Workers compensation case managers aren't medical experts John. You know that John.

I'll clue you in. Appendicectomy.

 

[Southerntakeover]

I'm clued in.

Case manager.

 

[King Elvis]

I'll clue you in. Appendicectomy.

https://www.healthdirect.gov.au/appendectomy

Why did you go with that spelling? Google?


You’re full of it John, it’s obvious. If I could be arsed, it’d be easy to go through a few threads and find examples of it. As I said previously, we all have opinions on things here, it’s your habit of trying to pass your opinion off as fact, and act as though you actually have professional expertise, that makes you look foolish.

 

[John Who]

https://www.healthdirect.gov.au/appendectomy

Why did you go with that spelling? Google?


You’re full of it John, it’s obvious. If I could be arsed, it’d be easy to go through a few threads and find examples of it. As I said previously, we all have opinions on things here, it’s your habit of trying to pass your opinion off as fact, and act as though you actually have professional expertise, that makes you look foolish.

That's the point - I didn't use Google to go with that spelling.
Appendectomy is the US spelling for what the correct spelling in British/Australian is appendicectomy. If you work in the field of hospitals in Adelaide, it's pronounced as appendicectomy.
FWIW, Appendectomy is "the removal of an appendage". Appendicectomy is "the removal of appendix", which is a more accurate translation.

Next time if you try to call people out, please do some research before you do so.

 

[TexanKnights]

'If a General Surgeon removes an appendix in the woods, and no one was there to hear it..

 

[Cockwomble]

As a sufferer of micro phallus scyndrome I’m having difficulty keeping up with this thread, but I feel I’m not alone

 

[Pea Nut]

Was just thinking these statements from the club about not sacking anyone will look quite stupid if we get another hamstring injury tonight. The lack of an external review is worrying, but unfortunately not that surprising.



To put it bluntly, you got lucky on your Sloane injury call.

The reason I am confident in saying so, is because when I recall the first time I saw you post on this board in relation to medical related matters, you attempted to correct me on an area I specialise in. Now you obviously wouldn't have known that, but it was immediately clear that you while had "some" knowledge, you had no awareness of your limitations and gaps in said knowledge - a classic example of the Dunning Kruger effect. It is also interesting to see that over time a large amount of posters have called you out or questioned your credentials.

Later on I recall other comments and usage of terminology that confirmed those initial thoughts. The one that comes to mind was an attempt to cajole others by stating that you wouldn't be believed if you said you were an "appendix surgeon," and I remember thinking, "of course not." An "appendix surgeon" isn't a surgical sub-speciality, and anyone who had worked or trained in a hospital environment would understand that general surgeons typically do appendectomies. These procedures are usually done on an emergency list with other procedures, so there's not someone allocated to be an "appendix surgeon."

Damn. I was planning on enrolling in medical school to become an appendix surgeon. Time to re-assess my life.

 

[King Elvis]

That's the point - I didn't use Google to go with that spelling.
Appendectomy is the US spelling for what the correct spelling in British/Australian is appendicectomy. If you work in the field of hospitals in Adelaide, it's pronounced as appendicectomy.
FWIW, Appendectomy is "the removal of an appendage". Appendicectomy is "the removal of appendix", which is a more accurate translation.

Next time if you try to call people out, please do some research before you do so.

You might be right, buggered if I know, but I linked a Govt website stating this;

Appendectomy

2-minute read

An appendectomy is an operation to remove the appendix, which is a small, tube-like part of the bowel. It often needs to be performed urgently when someone has an infected and inflamed appendix. It is also known as an appendicectomy.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Didnt you already come out and admit you're a workers compensation case manager?

They tend to be gullible...

 

[Mismatched]

You might be right, buggered if I know, but I linked a Govt website stating this;

Appendectomy

2-minute read

An appendectomy is an operation to remove the appendix, which is a small, tube-like part of the bowel. It often needs to be performed urgently when someone has an infected and inflamed appendix. It is also known as an appendicectomy.

I believe appendicectomy is correct in Australia, but no one really gives a shit if you say the other.

 

[King Elvis]

I believe appendicectomy is correct in Australia, but no one really gives a shit if you say the other.

I wouldn’t know - which is kind of the point; I don’t google it and then claim to be an authority

 

[John Who]

I believe appendicectomy is correct in Australia, but no one really gives a shit if you say the other.

I'm sure the appendix surgeons here would beg to differ.

I wouldn’t know - which is kind of the point; I don’t google it and then claim to be an authority

I never claimed to own authority over anything. It was you and a bunch of others who tried to push the agenda that my posts are all gibberish found on Google. You just proved my point that Google didn't help you to know that there was a difference until I made reference (and not from Google).

 

[LiquidCrow]

Here's the funny thing, all I said publicly is that I've had experiences with injuries and that I work in the health field. Do you doubt this statement from a few phrases? "appendix surgeon" was me speaking in lay terms, and using dry humour. If we're talking specifics, it's a General Surgeon. And removal of the appendix in Adelaide it's taught as the word "appendicectomy".

This being the internet and all, I doubt everyone unless proven otherwise . Also note that I don’t hold it personally against you, but things said will end up being reflected through that particular prism as that's just how things naturally go. It is not hard for one to make comments that demonstrate insight and credibility, but it also goes without saying that comments that do the opposite linger in the mind for longer and require a greater response to overcome.

A while back I used to work with a senior doctor who likened passing specialist medical exams to joining an exclusive foreign language club stating that to pass or gain entry you have to speak the same language. It’s actually a hard thing to consciously conceal, and on other boards I read it is very easy to pick out who has a health background without them having to announce their profession. It's partially based on content, as well as not using medical jargon erroneously.

Should point out that I wasn't trying to trick or "test" you by using appendectomy instead of appendicectomy. I usually compose posts in Word, and it appears to have been auto-corrected to the US term. That being said, the terms can be used interchangeably, and surgical fellows who have done stints in the US sometimes end up using the US lingo on return. Regardless, this does not detract from my original point.

In your example if you had used general, plastic or orthopaedic surgeon I wouldn’t have batted an eyelid. If you had used brain or heart surgeon then that would have been an acceptable use of lay terms in in place of neuro or cardiothoracic surgeon and not an issue. If you had used surgeon in isolation that would also have been fine. However, you used “appendix surgeon” which was really odd, because such usage doesn’t exist in the common medical vernacular.

Anyway, I think I've said enough on this issue for now. Off to the game against the Blues!

 

[John Who]

This being the internet and all, I doubt everyone unless proven otherwise . Also note that I don’t hold it personally against you, but things said will end up being reflected through that particular prism as that's just how things naturally go. It is not hard for one to make comments that demonstrate insight and credibility, but it also goes without saying that comments that do the opposite linger in the mind for longer and require a greater response to overcome.

A while back I used to work with a senior doctor who likened passing specialist medical exams to joining an exclusive foreign language club stating that to pass or gain entry you have to speak the same language. It’s actually a hard thing to consciously conceal, and on other boards I read it is very easy to pick out who has a health background without them having to announce their profession. It's partially based on content, as well as not using medical jargon erroneously.

Should point out that I wasn't trying to trick or "test" you by using appendectomy instead of appendicectomy. I usually compose posts in Word, and it appears to have been auto-corrected to the US term. That being said, the terms can be used interchangeably, and surgical fellows who have done stints in the US sometimes end up using the US lingo on return. Regardless, this does not detract from my original point.

In your example if you had used general, plastic or orthopaedic surgeon I wouldn’t have batted an eyelid. If you had used brain or heart surgeon then that would have been an acceptable use of lay terms in in place of neuro or cardiothoracic surgeon and not an issue. If you had used surgeon in isolation that would also have been fine. However, you used “appendix surgeon” which was really odd, because such usage doesn’t exist in the common medical vernacular.

Anyway, I think I've said enough on this issue for now. Off to the game against the Blues!

Mate, thanks for the response. Agreed, let's enjoy the day for the last match. Your point is all well taken. Just be aware I like using layman terms. This forum is meant for that, unless we're talking specific points on injuries.
PS. how about colorectal surgeon?

 

[Southerntakeover]

You’re full of it John, it’s obvious. If I could be arsed, it’d be easy to go through a few threads and find examples of it. As I said previously, we all have opinions on things here, it’s your habit of trying to pass your opinion off as fact, and act as though you actually have professional expertise, that makes you look foolish.

Why are we still playing the guessing game?

We know what John is. He's confirmed it before, and doesnt deny it now. We also know that it's not in the 'health industry', and it's not any form of medical expert.

 

[Deaneus!]

We can't go on together... with Collective Minds
(Collective Minds)

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

We can't go on together... with Collective Minds
(Collective Minds)

Would like someone in the media ask some tough questions to expose their sham & lack of qualifications.

 

[Scorpus]

Would like someone in the media ask some tough questions to expose their sham & lack of qualifications.

Hope they throw some of our admin under the bus so we're forced to act