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Mason Cox is back home isn't he? Surely he needs a selfie next to a sign saying "Welcome to Houston"?
 
whiskeytown said:
I know Jack about jack… trust the football depts judgement right now.. don’t mind it as a straight replacement for Krueger

except to bring him over pies will probably have to offer 2-3 years… in which case I’d rather keep Krueger another year… especially since his injuries finally let up somewhat this year

Krueger 3 goal game vs demons probably equal to Hayes goal game vs pies

Maybe with a decent preseason Krueger offers more in 2025
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Given Hayes doesn't currently have a contract from saints, reckon he'll be happy with anything.
 

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whiskeytown said:
I know Jack about jack… trust the football depts judgement right now.. don’t mind it as a straight replacement for Krueger

except to bring him over pies will probably have to offer 2-3 years… in which case I’d rather keep Krueger another year… especially since his injuries finally let up somewhat this year

Krueger 3 goal game vs demons probably equal to Hayes goal game vs pies

Maybe with a decent preseason Krueger offers more in 2025
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If it's between those two, I'd be happy with whichever the club chooses. Either has something to offer if they can ever get a proper run at it.
 
Pragmatic Shill said:
Story.

Carlton is pulling hard on the reins well before it plummets over the edge of a list cliff.

Collingwood is not afraid to charge right up to the edge and teeter on the brink like in an old-style Western movie, hopeful it pulls back in the nick of time.

These two famous rivals are both in the hunt for a hugely expensive half back in Dan Houston to further their premiership aspirations.

But while Collingwood is all in – prepared to hand over another future first-rounder for a 27-year-older – the Blues are prioritising the draft.

Only if they can find another first-rounder and also take four draft selections will they jump at Houston.

It is a fascinating case study in an era when a Dad’s Army won the 2022 flag for Geelong.

Collingwood is fully prepared to back in that strategy even when it doesn’t fulfil the club’s stated goals of finding the key forward Craig McRae wants or the key back to replace Nathan Murphy.

If Collingwood wins a flag next year with Houston and free agent Harry Perryman in its side, those Pies fans will echo the Richmond fans post-dynasty.

As in who cares what it all costs.

And yet the risk is even more apparent when you crunch the numbers for Collingwood based on Champion Data’s relative ratings.

Even before you consider the nine players who will be 30-plus on the Pies list next year, assess the performances of their 25-and-unders.

Of the club’s 14 players in that age bracket to play a game last year, only a single one was in the positive based on their expected performance compared to players of a similar age across the competition.

Of course it was Nick Daicos, who was 62 per cent above his expected return.

Ed Allan was technically the second player with a positive rating but his sample size was tiny – two games in which he admitted looked the goods.

Beau McCreery, Norm Smith Medallist Bobby Hill and Isaac Quaynor are all huge talents but all had negative ratings for 2024.

Make of that what you will given Hill still kicked 30 goals and McCreery took a step as a midfielder as well as pressure forward.

In contrast the Blues had 15 players 25-and-under who averaged 14 games this year _ with five boasting a positive relative rating in addition to Cooper Lord (only two games).

Carlton has underperformed but few in the competition have a better spread of elite talls.

Carlton has the better ruckman for the future in Tom De Koning (even if 29-year-old Darcy Cameron had a phenomenal year), the younger full back (Weitering over Moore), the better key talls (Charlie Curnow and Harry McKay).

And yet the Pies could add in two flankers in Houston and Perryman while giving up a future first-rounder while Carlton backs in the draft.

There is a salary cap component – Collingwood is coming into money, while Carlton’s list is top-heavy with big fat contracts.

But Collingwood, already the oldest list in footy by age (27.5) and average matches (128.5) will be positively geriatric next year.

They already have five players older than Carlton’s oldest player in Nic Newman.

Scott Pendlebury, Jeremy Howe, Steele Sidebottom, Mason Cox, Jamie Elliott and Brody Mihocek will be playing as 32-year olds at some stage next year.

Tom Mitchell, Will Hoskin-Elliott and Jack Crisp will join them as 30-year-olds.

For Carlton only Nic Newman and Sam Docherty played as 30-year-olds this year, Newman only 31 and Docherty playing only two AFL games.

The Blues 25-and-unders include Tom De Koning, Adam Cerra, Matt Cottrell, Sam Walsh, Brodie Kemp, Elijah Hollands, Jesse Motlop, Ollie Hollands.

Curnow is only 27, while Harry McKay and Jacob Weitering played at 26.

And yet Collingwood is still all in on Houston despite so many question marks over their under-25s.

Joe Richards is off to Port Adelaide, Nathan Kreuger, Reef McInness and Charlie Dean are in limbo, Finlay Macrae was repeatedly dropped last year and might not make it.

Harvey Harrison is recovering from an ACL tear, while Wil Parker played five games and Ned Long was handed seven chances.

It is crazy brave by Collingwood even as they prepare to welcome Mick McGuane’s son Tom as a father-son in 2026.

Carlton is ensuring its premiership window opens long into the future.

Collingwood is crazy brave.

Some would even say reckless, but you have to admire their courage to saddle up again despite the inherent risks.
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Started using Champion Data and lost all credibility.

Also a big LOL at Carlton and Premiership in the same sentence.
 
Gold Coast will wait for a more definitive position from Dan Houston on where he wants to play next year before pulling the trigger on a trade for the in-demand No.13 draft pick.
Collingwood had emerged as the favourite to secure that early pick and hand the first-rounder, pick 23 and Joe Richards to Port Adelaide for the dual All Australian.
But Carlton continues to offer a future first and future second-rounder for the No.13 draft pick, which it would use as part of a trade package for Houston.

The Suns cannot lose because the Carlton future picks would help it match a bid for potential No.1 draft pick Zeke Uwland, brother of Suns defender Bodhi, next year.
The club could still use its No.23 draft pick to secure Pies defender John Noble.
Or the Suns could trade 13 and 23 for Noble and the Pies first-rounder as part of a trade package with Collingwood.
With the trade period only two days into a 10-day marathon, Gold Coast is happy for the two clubs to assess their options.
The Blues deal is more favourable so there is plenty of time for the parties to haggle, with the Blues initially believing Houston wanted to play for them before the Pies’ renewed interest.
North Melbourne is seen as the less likely option despite meeting Houston.
Houston has links to Carlton through former Port Adelaide assistant Michael Voss and good mate Jack Silvagni but is also happy to play at Collingwood, with Craig McRae particularly keen to secure the running defender.
At some stage the Suns could put a time limit on the trade to hurry up the Pies and Carlton.
But if Houston makes clear he is keen to play for Carlton or Collingwood the Suns would be happy to deal with that club given pick 13 right now is the way the 27-year-old will get home.
The Suns continue to rule out trading picks 6 and 13 for Dan Rioli but have pick 6 on the table as part of a deal to broker that deal with the Richmond best and fairest winner.
While Brayden Fiorini has been raised as trade bait at this stage he has few suitors.
He has played 105 games across nine seasons with the Suns so they would be prepared to off-load him if he could find a suitor but at this stage it looks unlikely.
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Cousin of Daicos said:
Hey Apex36 it seems Fly and I think alike

Child Smile GIF
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That gif is as weird and gross as the idea of getting Jack Hayes, a shorter, more injury prone player than Kreuger.
 
I think Houston really needs to make it clear on where he wants to play.
Even if he wishes to go to Carlton I’d still play hardball on suns for pick 13 regardless and not deal them Noble anyway.

Let’s see what Leppa is made of
 
danielnajdek said:
Started using Champion Data and lost all credibility.

Also a big LOL at Carlton and Premiership in the same sentence.
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Carlton don't have a premiership window lmao

They have a Premiership toilet exhaust fan
 

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Pragmatic Shill said:
Story.

Carlton is pulling hard on the reins well before it plummets over the edge of a list cliff.

Collingwood is not afraid to charge right up to the edge and teeter on the brink like in an old-style Western movie, hopeful it pulls back in the nick of time.

These two famous rivals are both in the hunt for a hugely expensive half back in Dan Houston to further their premiership aspirations.

But while Collingwood is all in – prepared to hand over another future first-rounder for a 27-year-older – the Blues are prioritising the draft.

Only if they can find another first-rounder and also take four draft selections will they jump at Houston.

It is a fascinating case study in an era when a Dad’s Army won the 2022 flag for Geelong.

Collingwood is fully prepared to back in that strategy even when it doesn’t fulfil the club’s stated goals of finding the key forward Craig McRae wants or the key back to replace Nathan Murphy.

If Collingwood wins a flag next year with Houston and free agent Harry Perryman in its side, those Pies fans will echo the Richmond fans post-dynasty.

As in who cares what it all costs.

And yet the risk is even more apparent when you crunch the numbers for Collingwood based on Champion Data’s relative ratings.

Even before you consider the nine players who will be 30-plus on the Pies list next year, assess the performances of their 25-and-unders.

Of the club’s 14 players in that age bracket to play a game last year, only a single one was in the positive based on their expected performance compared to players of a similar age across the competition.

Of course it was Nick Daicos, who was 62 per cent above his expected return.

Ed Allan was technically the second player with a positive rating but his sample size was tiny – two games in which he admitted looked the goods.

Beau McCreery, Norm Smith Medallist Bobby Hill and Isaac Quaynor are all huge talents but all had negative ratings for 2024.

Make of that what you will given Hill still kicked 30 goals and McCreery took a step as a midfielder as well as pressure forward.

In contrast the Blues had 15 players 25-and-under who averaged 14 games this year _ with five boasting a positive relative rating in addition to Cooper Lord (only two games).

Carlton has underperformed but few in the competition have a better spread of elite talls.

Carlton has the better ruckman for the future in Tom De Koning (even if 29-year-old Darcy Cameron had a phenomenal year), the younger full back (Weitering over Moore), the better key talls (Charlie Curnow and Harry McKay).

And yet the Pies could add in two flankers in Houston and Perryman while giving up a future first-rounder while Carlton backs in the draft.

There is a salary cap component – Collingwood is coming into money, while Carlton’s list is top-heavy with big fat contracts.

But Collingwood, already the oldest list in footy by age (27.5) and average matches (128.5) will be positively geriatric next year.

They already have five players older than Carlton’s oldest player in Nic Newman.

Scott Pendlebury, Jeremy Howe, Steele Sidebottom, Mason Cox, Jamie Elliott and Brody Mihocek will be playing as 32-year olds at some stage next year.

Tom Mitchell, Will Hoskin-Elliott and Jack Crisp will join them as 30-year-olds.

For Carlton only Nic Newman and Sam Docherty played as 30-year-olds this year, Newman only 31 and Docherty playing only two AFL games.

The Blues 25-and-unders include Tom De Koning, Adam Cerra, Matt Cottrell, Sam Walsh, Brodie Kemp, Elijah Hollands, Jesse Motlop, Ollie Hollands.

Curnow is only 27, while Harry McKay and Jacob Weitering played at 26.

And yet Collingwood is still all in on Houston despite so many question marks over their under-25s.

Joe Richards is off to Port Adelaide, Nathan Kreuger, Reef McInness and Charlie Dean are in limbo, Finlay Macrae was repeatedly dropped last year and might not make it.

Harvey Harrison is recovering from an ACL tear, while Wil Parker played five games and Ned Long was handed seven chances.

It is crazy brave by Collingwood even as they prepare to welcome Mick McGuane’s son Tom as a father-son in 2026.

Carlton is ensuring its premiership window opens long into the future.

Collingwood is crazy brave.

Some would even say reckless, but you have to admire their courage to saddle up again despite the inherent risks.
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Sigh……

The Blues under 25’s he listed aren’t all superstars either. TDK, the Hollands and Walsh are the only ones of that list that are any good
 
Couch Coach said:
"Carlton forward Matt Owies is at risk of being out of the AFL completely in 2025 due to clubs’ unwillingness to stump up a significant salary for the small forward. Owies, who booted 33 goals in 23 games this season, is out of contract and exploring options at rival clubs, with the Blues prepared to lose him. But some clubs have suggested he could struggle to find a home this off-season, with Owies’ asking price believed to be around $700,000-800,000 per season on a multi-year deal."

:oops:
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What Drugs is he on?
 
Pragmatic Shill said:
Story.

Carlton is pulling hard on the reins well before it plummets over the edge of a list cliff.

Collingwood is not afraid to charge right up to the edge and teeter on the brink like in an old-style Western movie, hopeful it pulls back in the nick of time.

These two famous rivals are both in the hunt for a hugely expensive half back in Dan Houston to further their premiership aspirations.

But while Collingwood is all in – prepared to hand over another future first-rounder for a 27-year-older – the Blues are prioritising the draft.

Only if they can find another first-rounder and also take four draft selections will they jump at Houston.

It is a fascinating case study in an era when a Dad’s Army won the 2022 flag for Geelong.

Collingwood is fully prepared to back in that strategy even when it doesn’t fulfil the club’s stated goals of finding the key forward Craig McRae wants or the key back to replace Nathan Murphy.

If Collingwood wins a flag next year with Houston and free agent Harry Perryman in its side, those Pies fans will echo the Richmond fans post-dynasty.

As in who cares what it all costs.

And yet the risk is even more apparent when you crunch the numbers for Collingwood based on Champion Data’s relative ratings.

Even before you consider the nine players who will be 30-plus on the Pies list next year, assess the performances of their 25-and-unders.

Of the club’s 14 players in that age bracket to play a game last year, only a single one was in the positive based on their expected performance compared to players of a similar age across the competition.

Of course it was Nick Daicos, who was 62 per cent above his expected return.

Ed Allan was technically the second player with a positive rating but his sample size was tiny – two games in which he admitted looked the goods.

Beau McCreery, Norm Smith Medallist Bobby Hill and Isaac Quaynor are all huge talents but all had negative ratings for 2024.

Make of that what you will given Hill still kicked 30 goals and McCreery took a step as a midfielder as well as pressure forward.

In contrast the Blues had 15 players 25-and-under who averaged 14 games this year _ with five boasting a positive relative rating in addition to Cooper Lord (only two games).

Carlton has underperformed but few in the competition have a better spread of elite talls.

Carlton has the better ruckman for the future in Tom De Koning (even if 29-year-old Darcy Cameron had a phenomenal year), the younger full back (Weitering over Moore), the better key talls (Charlie Curnow and Harry McKay).

And yet the Pies could add in two flankers in Houston and Perryman while giving up a future first-rounder while Carlton backs in the draft.

There is a salary cap component – Collingwood is coming into money, while Carlton’s list is top-heavy with big fat contracts.

But Collingwood, already the oldest list in footy by age (27.5) and average matches (128.5) will be positively geriatric next year.

They already have five players older than Carlton’s oldest player in Nic Newman.

Scott Pendlebury, Jeremy Howe, Steele Sidebottom, Mason Cox, Jamie Elliott and Brody Mihocek will be playing as 32-year olds at some stage next year.

Tom Mitchell, Will Hoskin-Elliott and Jack Crisp will join them as 30-year-olds.

For Carlton only Nic Newman and Sam Docherty played as 30-year-olds this year, Newman only 31 and Docherty playing only two AFL games.

The Blues 25-and-unders include Tom De Koning, Adam Cerra, Matt Cottrell, Sam Walsh, Brodie Kemp, Elijah Hollands, Jesse Motlop, Ollie Hollands.

Curnow is only 27, while Harry McKay and Jacob Weitering played at 26.

And yet Collingwood is still all in on Houston despite so many question marks over their under-25s.

Joe Richards is off to Port Adelaide, Nathan Kreuger, Reef McInness and Charlie Dean are in limbo, Finlay Macrae was repeatedly dropped last year and might not make it.

Harvey Harrison is recovering from an ACL tear, while Wil Parker played five games and Ned Long was handed seven chances.

It is crazy brave by Collingwood even as they prepare to welcome Mick McGuane’s son Tom as a father-son in 2026.

Carlton is ensuring its premiership window opens long into the future.

Collingwood is crazy brave.

Some would even say reckless, but you have to admire their courage to saddle up again despite the inherent risks.
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We know about Champion Data and their dodgy ratings.
"numbers for Collingwood based on Champion Data’s relative ratings"

"They already have five players older than Carlton’s oldest player in Nic Newman"
All of them are better than Newman.

"And yet the Pies could add in two flankers in Houston and Perryman while giving up a future first-rounder while Carlton backs in the draft"
One of those flankers is a dual AA and the other will be playing as a mid.

"Curnow is only 27"
So is Houston.

Etc.
What a load of drivel.
 
Apex36 said:
That gif is as weird and gross as the idea of getting Jack Hayes, a shorter, more injury prone player than Kreuger.
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Or you could always give credit where credit is due

I was never trying to say he was a superstar.

Just thought he was worth a look if we could get his body right. Clearly our football department thinks the same.
 
Pragmatic Shill said:
Ralph has just uploaded a newly-minted bowel movement sooking about Collingwood's pursuit of Houston.
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Media showing how Amauter they with them Chucking Tantys over Houston to
Collingwood talk
 
Exambolor said:
Sigh……

The Blues under 25’s he listed aren’t all superstars either. TDK, the Hollands and Walsh are the only ones of that list that are any good
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Have you ever watched their VFL team. They have no AFL quality players. I'd say they have less then us.
 
danielnajdek said:
Started using Champion Data and lost all credibility.

Also a big LOL at Carlton and Premiership in the same sentence.
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Media are so obsessed with history so why don't they list the amount of prelims, finals and GFS we've played in and won dating back to the day after Carlton bought their flag in 95? We have a record of building successful teams the other mob only has history of buying it.

Jon Ralph is a deadset oxygen thieving parasite.
 
Niall's article was odd. He was saying that old teams other than Geelong have plummeted when veterans retired. And he was saying we're taking a big risk by trading out our draft picks.

But who are these teams who've stayed up through the draft? Where's the risk?
We're an old team. The expectation should be a fall unless we can pull off what the Cats did post 2011.

And like Geelong we're in a position to do so, I think.

The Cats stayed up where others couldn't for a variety of reasons:

Despite their age they had a young superstar at the beginning of his career. Tick

Player longevity increased - that's not going to change.

Theyre a bit of a unique club with a recruiting advantage due to location. Our advantage is different but all those big games at the G is an undoubted advantage.

I reckon our strategy is great. Get Houston and with the Perryman and Schultz additions we will have upgraded 2023 Pendles, Sidey and Adams. I don't see why we won't be able to continue to top up and stay in the window for the next 5 years - who knows beyond that for any team.
 

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