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Welcome to Wrighty.

Best list manager of all time to get a club from the cusp of a flag to finally taking home silverware. He's decisive and happy to pay top dollar for the missing pieces. He will always get the deal done.

Probably the worst list manager to have when you are trending in the wrong direction. He set us back years with the JOM/Wingard trades.

Too early to write your side off yet but it's going to be hard coming back from a 0-3 start.
Back in those days Hawthorn seem to ‘win’ every trade bringing in JOM, Wingard, Scully and Paton. When it didn’t work out, easy to blame the guy who traded them in.

I’d be more concerned using top 6 or 7 picks on Granger-Barass and Ward. Very concerning…..
 
Back in those days Hawthorn seem to ‘win’ every trade bringing in JOM, Wingard, Scully and Paton. When it didn’t work out, easy to blame the guy who traded them in.

I’d be more concerned using top 6 or 7 picks on Granger-Barass and Ward. Very concerning…..

I'm pretty sure we were universally canned from the get go for what we gave up for Wingard and JOM. Scully and Patton were seen as 'steals' because of the relatively low price for the potential.

Wright is always happy to pay to get his man. I'm not knocking him at all, he's a good operator when you need to win a flag (which you guys should be given the quality of players you have). Really not sure what DGB and Ward have to do with this thread.
 
I'm pretty sure we were universally canned from the get go for what we gave up for Wingard and JOM. Scully and Patton were seen as 'steals' because of the relatively low price for the potential.

Wright is always happy to pay to get his man. I'm not knocking him at all, he's a good operator when you need to win a flag (which you guys should be given the quality of players you have). Really not sure what DGB and Ward have to do with this thread.
Maybe if Wright was still at Hawthorn those mistakes may have been avoided.

But the fact is GW built your 3xpremiership teams. I also doubt Clarkson would have allowed the Hawks to hit the draft and basically rebuild after all that success. The coach, particularly one as powerful as Clarkson, would instruct recruitment/list management what he wanted and it was up to them to make it happen.

BTW, was GW there when Scrimshaw was brought in? Burgoyne? Lake? Gunston? Hale? Josh Gibson? Mitchell? He didn’t overpay for these players.

So, what I’m saying is that it’s naive to blame GW’s recruitment and trading performance for where Hawthorn ended up after winning 3 premierships. He may have overpaid for 1 or 2 players based on their performances at the Hawks, however, he also built a multiple premiership team during compromised drafts. Fact is, he probably wasn’t given the opportunity by a legendary coach to embark on a total rebuild. Maybe that’s why he left?
 

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Maybe if Wright was still at Hawthorn those mistakes may have been avoided.

But the fact is GW built your 3xpremiership teams. I also doubt Clarkson would have allowed the Hawks to hit the draft and basically rebuild after all that success. The coach, particularly one as powerful as Clarkson, would instruct recruitment/list management what he wanted and it was up to them to make it happen.

BTW, was GW there when Scrimshaw was brought in? Burgoyne? Lake? Gunston? Hale? Josh Gibson? Mitchell? He didn’t overpay for these players.

So, what I’m saying is that it’s naive to blame GW’s recruitment and trading performance for where Hawthorn ended up after winning 3 premierships. He may have overpaid for 1 or 2 players based on their performances at the Hawks, however, he also built a multiple premiership team during compromised drafts. Fact is, he probably wasn’t given the opportunity by a legendary coach to embark on a total rebuild. Maybe that’s why he left?

Burgoyne and Gibson were before GW's time at the Hawks. Despite that, GW was absolutely critical to our 3peat side. Lake, Gunston and Big Boy = Chef's kiss.

GW is a double edged sword. He had a single mind to get his target and was prepared to pay whatever cost. As you mentioned he had plenty of winners. For a side gunning for a flag, he's the best person to manage the little assets a competing side usually has to to maximise return on investment.

Sometimes that single minded approach to a target works. Sometimes it burns you. That's the game you play, especially when you are throwing around first rounders.

I don't think any recruiter in the league has the balls to give up a future 1st rounder for a small forward who averages less than a goal a game, but if there was anyone who could see the value to what he could bring to a Premiership side it's GW. When it comes to winning flags sometimes you have to take a plunge otherwise why bother? If you aren't actively trying to improve your list you end up going backwards or get stuck in mediocrity like the Bombers (ala Dodoro and his piss farting around of trying to 'win every trade').
 
I'm pretty sure we were universally canned from the get go for what we gave up for Wingard and JOM. Scully and Patton were seen as 'steals' because of the relatively low price for the potential.

Wright is always happy to pay to get his man. I'm not knocking him at all, he's a good operator when you need to win a flag (which you guys should be given the quality of players you have). Really not sure what DGB and Ward have to do with this thread.
Hawks, like Pies and Cats were ahead of the curve in realising that teen and second round picks were overrated. Jom was a risk due to injuries, but a risk worth taking as they weren't giving up any good picks and he looked capable of becoming the best around before his injuries. Same with Wingard.
 
Agreed. I'd be shocked if players harassed Adams & begged him to stay either. They're adults. It's their job. You let them make their own decisions which they believe are best for them & support them either way.
Maynard spoke about it after Jordy rejected Saints offer. Said he kept his distance to let Jordy make his decision and it's what normal people do if their mate at work gets a good offer from elsewhere. The leadership may put pressure on them, but their real mates at work don't - unless asked or jokingly.
 
Maynard spoke about it after Jordy rejected Saints offer. Said he kept his distance to let Jordy make his decision and it's what normal people do if their mate at work gets a good offer from elsewhere. The leadership may put pressure on them, but their real mates at work don't - unless asked or jokingly.
Exactly. And if 10 Hawks messaged Ginni begging him to come to the Hawks, & that was his deciding factor, it probably only illustrates their youth & immaturity tbh.
 
Exactly. And if 10 Hawks messaged Ginni begging him to come to the Hawks, & that was his deciding factor, it probably only illustrates their youth & immaturity tbh.
That's a bit different. They're probably not mates with Ginni, so they're doing the right thing by their club and helping to recruit. I'm sure we'd roll out our players in the same way
 
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That's a bit different. They're probably not mates with Ginni, so they're doing the right thing by their club and helping to recruit. I'm sure we'd roll out our players in the same way
I guess, but I'd expect them to text after the trade was done, but not so much beforehand though. Lol.
 
One I forgot to mention is Lewis Hayes.

He’s been developing sneakily well at the Bombers in the VFL. Particularly as a second year KPD.

Out of contract at the end of the year.

It would be nice to do the reverse Henry, and steal a player that a club has put a couple of years developing, at the end of their first contract.
 
IMO teams hit a tipping point at which point you need to bring in quality youth and rebuild the core. And we are there.

Geelong have managed to do that and now have a fairly large contingent of young talent coming through, unlike us. You only have to look at the team they are rolling out today.

Free agents do cost something as well. Cap space. So it’s a case of weighing up that cap spend vs predicted output & longevity vs future opportunity cost.

All up, I don’t think spending reasonable $ on a player like Duggan, particularly at his age, is worth it.
Geel have a large number of young players as we do - but apart from Ollie Holmes and Dempsey where is the top end talent?
Their mids are much hyped but not of the class of Danger or Selwood. They lost clearances yesterday 30-44.
I’m not sure I see Geel as the benchmark but I’m happy to be convinced.
 
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That's bizarre and difficult to believe.

The only way this happens is if he was incredibly unpopular for some things he has said or done, or things not done, and it must have been severe.
AFL playing groups are very tight these days.
Not difficult to believe at all, the coaching staff were happy to keep him but the senior players wanted him gone and then he was.
 
Geel have a large number of young players as we do - but apart from Ollie Holmes and Dempsey where is the top end talent?
Their mids are much hyped but not of the class of Danger or Selwood. They lost clearances yesterday 30-44.
I’m not sure I see Geel as the benchmark but I’m happy to be convinced.

Tanner Bruhn and Max Holmes are pretty good. Jye Clarke looks decent.

I think one thing Geelong seems to do pretty well (at least how it looks from the outside looking in) is keep their younger players coming through content to bide their time in the VFL until they're truly ready?

Again, maybe it's a surface thing, but with us, it feels like our young players are impatient and looking to leave if they're not getting games. I never seem to see articles about Geelong kids looking at other offers yet you seem to see it with others sides and in particular...us

It could also just be a "Collingwood thing" too because the media knows Collingwood generates clicks, but I'm just saying that for me it feels like we have more issues keeping the kids content with biding their time until they're truly ready.
 
Age Player - Replacement

36 Pendles - Irreplaceable
33 Sidey - Allan
33 Howe - Jiath
33 Cox - Steene
31 Elliott - Harrison
31 Mihocek - McInnes
31 Mitchell - Macrea

There are no overnight fixes but if we could fill some of the above and pick up a couple of quality Free Agents there's a chance at a rebuild on the run.
The bookends are a real problem though, there's nothing developing up forward and if we lose Murphy we'll need another key back. Another top flight mid would be nice too.
 
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Tanner Bruhn and Max Holmes are pretty good. Jye Clarke looks decent.

I think one thing Geelong seems to do pretty well (at least how it looks from the outside looking in) is keep their younger players coming through content to bide their time in the VFL until they're truly ready?

Again, maybe it's a surface thing, but with us, it feels like our young players are impatient and looking to leave if they're not getting games. I never seem to see articles about Geelong kids looking at other offers yet you seem to see it with others sides and in particular...us

It could also just be a "Collingwood thing" too because the media knows Collingwood generates clicks, but I'm just saying that for me it feels like we have more issues keeping the kids content with biding their time until they're truly ready.
i mentioned Holmes - and i think Bruhn and Clarke are still in the "much hyped', category. When Stewart is playing midfield as he did last year I'm not sure its a ringing endorsement of their young mids.
 
Geel have a large number of young players as we do - but apart from Ollie Holmes and Dempsey where is the top end talent?
Their mids are much hyped but not of the class of Danger or Selwood. They lost clearances yesterday 30-44.
I’m not sure I see Geel as the benchmark but I’m happy to be convinced.

From my point of view young talent is 25 and under.

Sure it becomes a bit arbitrary and inexact depending on the birthdate, but if you take yesterday’s game as an example, in addition to the 3 you mentioned they also had Miers, Clarke, Conway, Close, Guthrie, Stengle, Bruhn, J.Henry, Mullin, De Koning, Parfitt on the field .

So if my maths is right that’s 14 players in that bracket. We had 8.

I agree not many of them are stars, nor project to be, but they’re mostly proven to be AFL capable and will make up the nucleus of their next push. We simply don’t have that glut of young talent at the moment.
 
Geel have a large number of young players as we do - but apart from Ollie Holmes and Dempsey where is the top end talent?
Their mids are much hyped but not of the class of Danger or Selwood. They lost clearances yesterday 30-44.
I’m not sure I see Geel as the benchmark but I’m happy to be convinced.
Agree, reckon the Gee youth is mostly hype - we beat their VFL side by 74 points last time we played them.
 
To me Geelong's greatest strength in recruiting seems to be their ability to use the rookie list to acquire solid, AFL-standard players, as well as identify mature-aged players.

Some examples: Jack Henry, Tom Atkins, Brad Close, Mark Blicavs, Zach Guthrie, Oliver Dempsey

There are also other players who Geelong have drafted that have been mature-aged recruits, such as Tom Stewart and Shaun Mannagh, together with Oisin Mullin and Mark O'Connor from Ireland.
 
From my point of view young talent is 25 and under.
We have 23 players that fit the criteria. A lot of holes to fill but a solid base to build from.

Quaynor Eyre Murphy
De Mattia Dean Jiath
Daicos Macrea Harrison
Hill McInnes McCreery
Begg Kreuger Richards

Steene Lipinski N Daicos

Allan Ryan Parker Bytel Carmichael
 
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From my point of view young talent is 25 and under.

Sure it becomes a bit arbitrary and inexact depending on the birthdate, but if you take yesterday’s game as an example, in addition to the 3 you mentioned they also had Miers, Clarke, Conway, Close, Guthrie, Stengle, Bruhn, J.Henry, Mullin, De Koning, Parfitt on the field .

So if my maths is right that’s 14 players in that bracket. We had 8.

I agree not many of them are stars, nor project to be, but they’re mostly proven to be AFL capable and will make up the nucleus of their next push. We simply don’t have that glut of young talent at the moment.
Based on your own criteria of age, here's our group, Lipinski, JDaicos, Murphy, IQ, Hill, Beau, Dean, Macrae, HH, Reef, ND, and then we have those most agree will make it, Alan, Eyre, Ryan, Tew, Demattia.
Not sure I agree Geel is well ahead
 
One I forgot to mention is Lewis Hayes.

He’s been developing sneakily well at the Bombers in the VFL. Particularly as a second year KPD.

Out of contract at the end of the year.

It would be nice to do the reverse Henry, and steal a player that a club has put a couple of years developing, at the end of their first contract.
From the limited footage I've seen of him, he looks like he can get to contests and either win or neutralise them quite well. If Murph hangs it up, there will definitely be opportunities for him if we got in his ear. Bombers have plenty of tall backs as is, including Zach Reid who they will pump games into when he returns.

Great target for us.
 
Based on your own criteria of age, here's our group, Lipinski, JDaicos, Murphy, IQ, Hill, Beau, Dean, Macrae, HH, Reef, ND, and then we have those most agree will make it, Alan, Eyre, Ryan, Tew, Demattia.
Not sure I agree Geel is well ahead

Each to their own, but at the moment Dean and HH don’t project to be AFL quality.. and unfortunately Macrae hasn’t shown much at the level to suggest otherwise either.

I’m obviously not in the most group in regard to the ‘will make it’ category on Eyre or Ryan either.

Obviously it’s unfortunate, but Murphy is looking in serious doubt to be part of that youth cohort as well.
 
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