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sr36 said:
I don't think the years have got shorter though.
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Offering tenure is how a club needs to be competitive in the marketplace, particularly for free agents. A club won't be acquiring too many players by sticking to 3-4 year deals in recruitment. I'm happy to forego Kane Cornes giving us a pat on the back for not offering a long deal if it means we get players in that will contribute to our best team and make us better.
 
Hey guys Tomlinson is so so shit, can we please never mention his name again, he completely sucks will always suck and will never not suck

Actually makes this thread unreadable seeing his name with genuine comments about his footballing ability

Feel like I’m back in 2017 reading this shit about him he is so bad and will probably retire


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jase038 said:
Hey guys Tomlinson is so so shit, can we please never mention his name again, he completely sucks will always suck and will never not suck

Actually makes this thread unreadable seeing his name with genuine comments about his footballing ability

Feel like I’m back in 2017 reading this shit about him he is so bad and will probably retire


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jase038 said:
Hey guys Tomlinson is so so shit, can we please never mention his name again, he completely sucks will always suck and will never not suck

Actually makes this thread unreadable seeing his name with genuine comments about his footballing ability

Feel like I’m back in 2017 reading this shit about him he is so bad and will probably retire


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I hate this kind of rubbish. He has played 185 games. Only 9% of all AFL/VFL players reach the 150 game milestone. So shit.
:rolleyes: You may not think he is what we need but cut the puerile putdowns.

 
Couch Coach said:
Port BF Board on Lord:
"I mean if a club is willing to offer a first, I'd take it."
"a 2nd round pick"
"keep Lord unless someone offered us a teens pick"

Port BF Board on Richards:
"Richards (worth a late second/early third round pick)"
"3rd rounder for Richard’s"
"Joe Richards should be a 3rd or 4th rounder. Somewhere in there, moving towards the 4th."

Typical BigFooty at this time of the year
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The silly season is here
 
jase038 said:
Hey guys Tomlinson is so so shit, can we please never mention his name again, he completely sucks will always suck and will never not suck

Actually makes this thread unreadable seeing his name with genuine comments about his footballing ability

Feel like I’m back in 2017 reading this shit about him he is so bad and will probably retire


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Totally agree and shocked by a few here who think hes an option
He’s so bad
Reminds me of Jack Frost
Forwards queuing up to play on him
 
IlovethePies said:
maybe...
but the info about Stringer and Hind was backed up by other (slightly) more "respectable" sources.

Also, Fly used very strange wording. He said that he was "happy to say that Jake Stringer wouldn't be coming to collingwood next year".


While I don't think news.com is any more reliable than yahoo, at least they had Fly's words in inverted commas (quote), so would be up for defamation (or something similar) if this were not true.
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He meant "I'm happy to say here (at this time) that we wont be bringing Jake Stringer to our footy club (to clear up the rumours that I wanted to bring him in)".

That particular turn of phrase is just another way of saying he's happy to address the rumours around Stringer and put them to bed on the record, as opposed to the emotional inflection you're reading into it.
 
- NEW POSTER & URGENT - RE: HARRY PERRYMAN -

Hi guys,

Been reading these forums for 20 years but felt compelled to register an account and give my thoughts account after seeing that we are looking to offer Harry Perryman a godfather offer to come to the pies.

As an avid footy watcher, I have always thought Perryman was an ok if not average player, but definitely a player that has never stood out.
I think many of us have probably had an inflated view of his quality, based on the fact that he has always been a regular in a pretty strong GWS team.

Anyway, considering the reports that we have offered Perryman a godfather circa 7-year $850k (based on media estimates) I felt compelled to do more research on him.

This led me to a feature on the AFL app which lets you view every possession/contest a player has been involved in during a game over the last few years.

For anyone that wants to do this for themselves go onto the AFL app click on the stats tab and then enter a players name in the search box and then click highlights, and each game will pop up to select.

I did this for Perryman and what I found was pretty underwhelming.
After seeing majority of his possessions/involvements in his games over the last few years, it is pretty clear that Perryman is NOT a player we should be targeting, especially at the wages/years quoted.

In summary:

  • He is a very slow player (which most of us know), but this is further exacerbated by the fact that he seems to always coast/jog through play, very rarely taking the game on, which really limits his effectiveness as a rebounder.
  • Most of his possessions are uncontested / under no pressure, and consist of chips around the back 50 and wings.
  • In the rare occasion that he has the ball under pressure or tries to open up play, he seems to always make an error disposing of the ball (which was a suprise as he has always been talked about as a smart/good user).
  • He looks to be a relatively average (if not poor) level one-on-one defender and has shown almost zero evidence of being an effective intercept marker.
  • Overall, he just seems to be an awkward style footballer, who is a 5/10 in most areas but doesn’t excel at any particular aspect of the game.
While I understand the need to replace Noble, it is pretty clear that Perryman is not the answer. In fact, if that’s what we wanted, then Perryman’s fellow-free agent teammate Isaac Cumming is the answer, who is practically a taller, quicker, stronger, better marking version of Noble - noting that Cumming has only received 4-year deals from SA. Someone like Nick Hind is a cheaper alternative.

Would love someone else to go through the same exercise and see if they come to a different conclusion. I personally struggle to see any evidence/passages of play to suggest he is worth any more than $450-500k p.a.
While I more than most hope Perryman turns out to be a great player for the club (if he does sign), the more I look at this pursuit the more it wreaks of desperation. We have worked so hard to correct the salary cap, only to fail to find any suitable targets, to the point we are now overreaching for a vanilla run-of-the mill player we don’t need. I personally would rather bank the money for someone that can push us closer to another premiership.

Previously, I have had the same sinking feeling when we traded:

  • Our future 1st in 2020 for practically peanuts (which cost us a 15-year superstar in Fin Callaghan);
  • and our future 1st in 2023 (which ultimately cost us Petracca this year).
Let’s hope this short-sighted move doesn’t cost us LDU/Brayshaw/Rayner in 2025 or Ben King in 2026.

FWIW - I did the same exercise for James Peatling and have a much more positive outlook on his potential. Looks to be a more dynamic version of James Row-bottom/Jack Steele.
 
nickyds35 said:
- NEW POSTER & URGENT - RE: HARRY PERRYMAN -

Hi guys,

Been reading these forums for 20 years but felt compelled to register an account and give my thoughts account after seeing that we are looking to offer Harry Perryman a godfather offer to come to the pies.

As an avid footy watcher, I have always thought Perryman was an ok if not average player, but definitely a player that has never stood out.
I think many of us have probably had an inflated view of his quality, based on the fact that he has always been a regular in a pretty strong GWS team.

Anyway, considering the reports that we have offered Perryman a godfather circa 7-year $850k (based on media estimates) I felt compelled to do more research on him.

This led me to a feature on the AFL app which lets you view every possession/contest a player has been involved in during a game over the last few years.

For anyone that wants to do this for themselves go onto the AFL app click on the stats tab and then enter a players name in the search box and then click highlights, and each game will pop up to select.

I did this for Perryman and what I found was pretty underwhelming.
After seeing majority of his possessions/involvements in his games over the last few years, it is pretty clear that Perryman is NOT a player we should be targeting, especially at the wages/years quoted.

In summary:

  • He is a very slow player (which most of us know), but this is further exacerbated by the fact that he seems to always coast/jog through play, very rarely taking the game on, which really limits his effectiveness as a rebounder.
  • Most of his possessions are uncontested / under no pressure, and consist of chips around the back 50 and wings.
  • In the rare occasion that he has the ball under pressure or tries to open up play, he seems to always make an error disposing of the ball (which was a suprise as he has always been talked about as a smart/good user).
  • He looks to be a relatively average (if not poor) level one-on-one defender and has shown almost zero evidence of being an effective intercept marker.
  • Overall, he just seems to be an awkward style footballer, who is a 5/10 in most areas but doesn’t excel at any particular aspect of the game.
While I understand the need to replace Noble, it is pretty clear that Perryman is not the answer. In fact, if that’s what we wanted, then Perryman’s fellow-free agent teammate Isaac Cumming is the answer, who is practically a taller, quicker, stronger, better marking version of Noble - noting that Cumming has only received 4-year deals from SA. Someone like Nick Hind is a cheaper alternative.

Would love someone else to go through the same exercise and see if they come to a different conclusion. I personally struggle to see any evidence/passages of play to suggest he is worth any more than $450-500k p.a.
While I more than most hope Perryman turns out to be a great player for the club (if he does sign), the more I look at this pursuit the more it wreaks of desperation. We have worked so hard to correct the salary cap, only to fail to find any suitable targets, to the point we are now overreaching for a vanilla run-of-the mill player we don’t need. I personally would rather bank the money for someone that can push us closer to another premiership.

Previously, I have had the same sinking feeling when we traded:

  • Our future 1st in 2020 for practically peanuts (which cost us a 15-year superstar in Fin Callaghan);
  • and our future 1st in 2023 (which ultimately cost us Petracca this year).
Let’s hope this short-sighted move doesn’t cost us LDU/Brayshaw/Rayner in 2025 or Ben King in 2026.

FWIW - I did the same exercise for James Peatling and have a much more positive outlook on his potential. Looks to be a more dynamic version of James Row-bottom/Jack Steele.
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The years & the dollars reportedly on offer seem to go up every time someone types them out.

Until/unless the club confirms what type of contract he's been offered, I wouldn't believe a word coming from the media.
 
Jafo said:
Think we’d be looking at Butters now for when he comes out of contract next?
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I wouldn’t be averse. We could do worse. I don’t mind a bit of Butters on my Pies.
 
nickyds35 said:
- NEW POSTER & URGENT - RE: HARRY PERRYMAN -

Hi guys,

Been reading these forums for 20 years but felt compelled to register an account and give my thoughts account after seeing that we are looking to offer Harry Perryman a godfather offer to come to the pies.

As an avid footy watcher, I have always thought Perryman was an ok if not average player, but definitely a player that has never stood out.
I think many of us have probably had an inflated view of his quality, based on the fact that he has always been a regular in a pretty strong GWS team.

Anyway, considering the reports that we have offered Perryman a godfather circa 7-year $850k (based on media estimates) I felt compelled to do more research on him.

This led me to a feature on the AFL app which lets you view every possession/contest a player has been involved in during a game over the last few years.

For anyone that wants to do this for themselves go onto the AFL app click on the stats tab and then enter a players name in the search box and then click highlights, and each game will pop up to select.

I did this for Perryman and what I found was pretty underwhelming.
After seeing majority of his possessions/involvements in his games over the last few years, it is pretty clear that Perryman is NOT a player we should be targeting, especially at the wages/years quoted.

In summary:

  • He is a very slow player (which most of us know), but this is further exacerbated by the fact that he seems to always coast/jog through play, very rarely taking the game on, which really limits his effectiveness as a rebounder.
  • Most of his possessions are uncontested / under no pressure, and consist of chips around the back 50 and wings.
  • In the rare occasion that he has the ball under pressure or tries to open up play, he seems to always make an error disposing of the ball (which was a suprise as he has always been talked about as a smart/good user).
  • He looks to be a relatively average (if not poor) level one-on-one defender and has shown almost zero evidence of being an effective intercept marker.
  • Overall, he just seems to be an awkward style footballer, who is a 5/10 in most areas but doesn’t excel at any particular aspect of the game.
While I understand the need to replace Noble, it is pretty clear that Perryman is not the answer. In fact, if that’s what we wanted, then Perryman’s fellow-free agent teammate Isaac Cumming is the answer, who is practically a taller, quicker, stronger, better marking version of Noble - noting that Cumming has only received 4-year deals from SA. Someone like Nick Hind is a cheaper alternative.

Would love someone else to go through the same exercise and see if they come to a different conclusion. I personally struggle to see any evidence/passages of play to suggest he is worth any more than $450-500k p.a.
While I more than most hope Perryman turns out to be a great player for the club (if he does sign), the more I look at this pursuit the more it wreaks of desperation. We have worked so hard to correct the salary cap, only to fail to find any suitable targets, to the point we are now overreaching for a vanilla run-of-the mill player we don’t need. I personally would rather bank the money for someone that can push us closer to another premiership.

Previously, I have had the same sinking feeling when we traded:

  • Our future 1st in 2020 for practically peanuts (which cost us a 15-year superstar in Fin Callaghan);
  • and our future 1st in 2023 (which ultimately cost us Petracca this year).
Let’s hope this short-sighted move doesn’t cost us LDU/Brayshaw/Rayner in 2025 or Ben King in 2026.

FWIW - I did the same exercise for James Peatling and have a much more positive outlook on his potential. Looks to be a more dynamic version of James Row-bottom/Jack Steele.
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Wow.
Welcome to BF nickyds35

If that’s the quality of contribution, I hope we hear more of you.

Your conviction which is based on research sounds confident and well founded. Troubling.
I want you to be wrong, but sense you may not be.

Fact is we are shopping for improvement with not many ways to find it. And UFA’s are a scarce avenue.

Perryman (& to a lesser extent Peatling) are over priced, over valued and not first choice options.
But they do improve the squad overall compared to SSP gang we currently have in the locker room.

Would love Trac or Houston type quality, but we’ve maxed our credit cards and have only got spare change in the purse to trade with.
We shall see.

It’s not even the official trade period yet, so hopefully there’s a rabbit or two to be pulled from our hat.
 

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The Phantom said:
Wow.
Welcome to BF nickyds35

If that’s the quality of contribution, I hope we hear more of you.

Your conviction which is based on research sounds confident and well founded. Troubling.
I want you to be wrong, but sense you may not be.

Fact is we are shopping for improvement with not many ways to find it. And UFA’s are a scarce avenue.

Perryman (& to a lesser extent Peatling) are over priced, over valued and not first choice options.
But they do improve the squad overall compared to SSP gang we currently have in the locker room.

Would love Trac or Houston type quality, but we’ve maxed our credit cards and have only got spare change in the purse to trade with.
We shall see.

It’s not even the official trade period yet, so hopefully there’s a rabbit or two to be pulled from our hat.
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As long as the rabbits aren’t breeding in there. We don’t want to be overrun.
Magic Rabbit GIF by Sam Jones
 
nickyds35 said:
- NEW POSTER & URGENT - RE: HARRY PERRYMAN -

Hi guys,

Been reading these forums for 20 years but felt compelled to register an account and give my thoughts account after seeing that we are looking to offer Harry Perryman a godfather offer to come to the pies.

As an avid footy watcher, I have always thought Perryman was an ok if not average player, but definitely a player that has never stood out.
I think many of us have probably had an inflated view of his quality, based on the fact that he has always been a regular in a pretty strong GWS team.

Anyway, considering the reports that we have offered Perryman a godfather circa 7-year $850k (based on media estimates) I felt compelled to do more research on him.

This led me to a feature on the AFL app which lets you view every possession/contest a player has been involved in during a game over the last few years.

For anyone that wants to do this for themselves go onto the AFL app click on the stats tab and then enter a players name in the search box and then click highlights, and each game will pop up to select.

I did this for Perryman and what I found was pretty underwhelming.
After seeing majority of his possessions/involvements in his games over the last few years, it is pretty clear that Perryman is NOT a player we should be targeting, especially at the wages/years quoted.

In summary:

  • He is a very slow player (which most of us know), but this is further exacerbated by the fact that he seems to always coast/jog through play, very rarely taking the game on, which really limits his effectiveness as a rebounder.
  • Most of his possessions are uncontested / under no pressure, and consist of chips around the back 50 and wings.
  • In the rare occasion that he has the ball under pressure or tries to open up play, he seems to always make an error disposing of the ball (which was a suprise as he has always been talked about as a smart/good user).
  • He looks to be a relatively average (if not poor) level one-on-one defender and has shown almost zero evidence of being an effective intercept marker.
  • Overall, he just seems to be an awkward style footballer, who is a 5/10 in most areas but doesn’t excel at any particular aspect of the game.
While I understand the need to replace Noble, it is pretty clear that Perryman is not the answer. In fact, if that’s what we wanted, then Perryman’s fellow-free agent teammate Isaac Cumming is the answer, who is practically a taller, quicker, stronger, better marking version of Noble - noting that Cumming has only received 4-year deals from SA. Someone like Nick Hind is a cheaper alternative.

Would love someone else to go through the same exercise and see if they come to a different conclusion. I personally struggle to see any evidence/passages of play to suggest he is worth any more than $450-500k p.a.
While I more than most hope Perryman turns out to be a great player for the club (if he does sign), the more I look at this pursuit the more it wreaks of desperation. We have worked so hard to correct the salary cap, only to fail to find any suitable targets, to the point we are now overreaching for a vanilla run-of-the mill player we don’t need. I personally would rather bank the money for someone that can push us closer to another premiership.

Previously, I have had the same sinking feeling when we traded:

  • Our future 1st in 2020 for practically peanuts (which cost us a 15-year superstar in Fin Callaghan);
  • and our future 1st in 2023 (which ultimately cost us Petracca this year).
Let’s hope this short-sighted move doesn’t cost us LDU/Brayshaw/Rayner in 2025 or Ben King in 2026.

FWIW - I did the same exercise for James Peatling and have a much more positive outlook on his potential. Looks to be a more dynamic version of James Row-bottom/Jack Steele.
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We’re not looking for him to replace Noble - he’ll play midfield. Makes a lot of these points not really relevant. He’s also a unrestricted free agent, so doesn’t cost us anything to get him, besides his salary, which with the cap going up, isn’t as “overs” as some people are making it out to be.
 
Scodog10 said:
I mean you know why! A KPP cut after only two years in the system without debuting is just a waste of a list spot. Best case scenario for him and Collingwood is 2023 Eyre.
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So you haven’t seen him play and know nothing about him ?

I understand it projects as another Eyre type…

I’ll wait for someone who’s seen him play to explain why he’s not worth a rookie spot
 
NMBB said:
"Walter & Otto" - should be on the stage together.....

Bob Hope & George Burns

Abbott & Costello

The Two Ronnies

etc
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But who’s on first?
 
nickyds35 said:
- NEW POSTER & URGENT - RE: HARRY PERRYMAN -

Hi guys,

Been reading these forums for 20 years but felt compelled to register an account and give my thoughts account after seeing that we are looking to offer Harry Perryman a godfather offer to come to the pies.

As an avid footy watcher, I have always thought Perryman was an ok if not average player, but definitely a player that has never stood out.
I think many of us have probably had an inflated view of his quality, based on the fact that he has always been a regular in a pretty strong GWS team.

Anyway, considering the reports that we have offered Perryman a godfather circa 7-year $850k (based on media estimates) I felt compelled to do more research on him.

This led me to a feature on the AFL app which lets you view every possession/contest a player has been involved in during a game over the last few years.

For anyone that wants to do this for themselves go onto the AFL app click on the stats tab and then enter a players name in the search box and then click highlights, and each game will pop up to select.

I did this for Perryman and what I found was pretty underwhelming.
After seeing majority of his possessions/involvements in his games over the last few years, it is pretty clear that Perryman is NOT a player we should be targeting, especially at the wages/years quoted.

In summary:

  • He is a very slow player (which most of us know), but this is further exacerbated by the fact that he seems to always coast/jog through play, very rarely taking the game on, which really limits his effectiveness as a rebounder.
  • Most of his possessions are uncontested / under no pressure, and consist of chips around the back 50 and wings.
  • In the rare occasion that he has the ball under pressure or tries to open up play, he seems to always make an error disposing of the ball (which was a suprise as he has always been talked about as a smart/good user).
  • He looks to be a relatively average (if not poor) level one-on-one defender and has shown almost zero evidence of being an effective intercept marker.
  • Overall, he just seems to be an awkward style footballer, who is a 5/10 in most areas but doesn’t excel at any particular aspect of the game.
While I understand the need to replace Noble, it is pretty clear that Perryman is not the answer. In fact, if that’s what we wanted, then Perryman’s fellow-free agent teammate Isaac Cumming is the answer, who is practically a taller, quicker, stronger, better marking version of Noble - noting that Cumming has only received 4-year deals from SA. Someone like Nick Hind is a cheaper alternative.

Would love someone else to go through the same exercise and see if they come to a different conclusion. I personally struggle to see any evidence/passages of play to suggest he is worth any more than $450-500k p.a.
While I more than most hope Perryman turns out to be a great player for the club (if he does sign), the more I look at this pursuit the more it wreaks of desperation. We have worked so hard to correct the salary cap, only to fail to find any suitable targets, to the point we are now overreaching for a vanilla run-of-the mill player we don’t need. I personally would rather bank the money for someone that can push us closer to another premiership.

Previously, I have had the same sinking feeling when we traded:

  • Our future 1st in 2020 for practically peanuts (which cost us a 15-year superstar in Fin Callaghan);
  • and our future 1st in 2023 (which ultimately cost us Petracca this year).
Let’s hope this short-sighted move doesn’t cost us LDU/Brayshaw/Rayner in 2025 or Ben King in 2026.

FWIW - I did the same exercise for James Peatling and have a much more positive outlook on his potential. Looks to be a more dynamic version of James Row-bottom/Jack Steele.
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Y
Tadpole said:
But who’s on first?
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What's on second, continue
 
nickyds35 said:
- NEW POSTER & URGENT - RE: HARRY PERRYMAN -

Hi guys,

Been reading these forums for 20 years but felt compelled to register an account and give my thoughts account after seeing that we are looking to offer Harry Perryman a godfather offer to come to the pies.

As an avid footy watcher, I have always thought Perryman was an ok if not average player, but definitely a player that has never stood out.
I think many of us have probably had an inflated view of his quality, based on the fact that he has always been a regular in a pretty strong GWS team.

Anyway, considering the reports that we have offered Perryman a godfather circa 7-year $850k (based on media estimates) I felt compelled to do more research on him.

This led me to a feature on the AFL app which lets you view every possession/contest a player has been involved in during a game over the last few years.

For anyone that wants to do this for themselves go onto the AFL app click on the stats tab and then enter a players name in the search box and then click highlights, and each game will pop up to select.

I did this for Perryman and what I found was pretty underwhelming.
After seeing majority of his possessions/involvements in his games over the last few years, it is pretty clear that Perryman is NOT a player we should be targeting, especially at the wages/years quoted.

In summary:

  • He is a very slow player (which most of us know), but this is further exacerbated by the fact that he seems to always coast/jog through play, very rarely taking the game on, which really limits his effectiveness as a rebounder.
  • Most of his possessions are uncontested / under no pressure, and consist of chips around the back 50 and wings.
  • In the rare occasion that he has the ball under pressure or tries to open up play, he seems to always make an error disposing of the ball (which was a suprise as he has always been talked about as a smart/good user).
  • He looks to be a relatively average (if not poor) level one-on-one defender and has shown almost zero evidence of being an effective intercept marker.
  • Overall, he just seems to be an awkward style footballer, who is a 5/10 in most areas but doesn’t excel at any particular aspect of the game.
While I understand the need to replace Noble, it is pretty clear that Perryman is not the answer. In fact, if that’s what we wanted, then Perryman’s fellow-free agent teammate Isaac Cumming is the answer, who is practically a taller, quicker, stronger, better marking version of Noble - noting that Cumming has only received 4-year deals from SA. Someone like Nick Hind is a cheaper alternative.

Would love someone else to go through the same exercise and see if they come to a different conclusion. I personally struggle to see any evidence/passages of play to suggest he is worth any more than $450-500k p.a.
While I more than most hope Perryman turns out to be a great player for the club (if he does sign), the more I look at this pursuit the more it wreaks of desperation. We have worked so hard to correct the salary cap, only to fail to find any suitable targets, to the point we are now overreaching for a vanilla run-of-the mill player we don’t need. I personally would rather bank the money for someone that can push us closer to another premiership.

Previously, I have had the same sinking feeling when we traded:

  • Our future 1st in 2020 for practically peanuts (which cost us a 15-year superstar in Fin Callaghan);
  • and our future 1st in 2023 (which ultimately cost us Petracca this year).
Let’s hope this short-sighted move doesn’t cost us LDU/Brayshaw/Rayner in 2025 or Ben King in 2026.

FWIW - I did the same exercise for James Peatling and have a much more positive outlook on his potential. Looks to be a more dynamic version of James Row-bottom/Jack Steele.
Click to expand...

100%. Don't get the love. Slow, not many touches, mostly uncontested, not a lot of tackles, 2.5 clangers per game.

Don't waste salary cap on filler.
 

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