List Mgmt. Our Trade/FA, Suburban & Country Town Thread

[saverio36]

How old were you between 1996 and 1999?



Still the best player I've sent at the pies and have a look what it was like back then with sweet fa talent around him.

Hey, I won't stand for this disrespect of the great Sav Rocca!

But yes, the team wasn't great back then.

 

[cfc19902010]

The bias in the media with afl is staggering

Dunstall commentating
Maher etc
Lyon carry on with petracca and Oliver
These journos all with their own club agenda
And unfortunately most of them don’t like us
And the irony is that one of the few we have in media bucks goes out of his way at times to be unbiased

 

[tmpies01]

If Houston wants to play for the filth then we should just pull the pin and go to the draft.

Yesterday he wanted to play for the Pies, today it’s the Blues. No one knows, but of course he’d enjoy playing for the club he grew up supporting. Thats no shock.

He’s happy to go to either club as long as Port get the best outcome. We have everything it takes for the deal to get done so unless Carlton decide to give up pick 12 then I think he’s just about a lock to us.

 

[loki04]

Err, what laid the foundation for Fly was Nick Daicos, something Buckley never had access to.

Do you believe Buckley was set to release the offensive side fly brang out?

If you listen to Bucks comments in the media he is often at pains to state that our offensive play was off the back of our defensive structures.
I think losing 2018 where there was some loose defensive efforts changed the way he viewed it.

But agree that Nick changed the team dynamics.

 

[Do_Beta_Rapport]

If Houston wants to play for the filth then we should just pull the pin and go to the draft.

That’s not how this works.

There was once a time when Bobby wanted to play for the Dons……we all know how that turned out.

 

[loki04]

If we make the trade with GCS, using pick 13 in the draft is highly unlikely to result in a significant shift to us having the best sub 21 team. Using that pick to get Houston adds a weapon to a list that was unbeaten this year in games against the: Lions, Power, Cartlol and ran the Swans to a kick.

It's too hard to build a squad that is in contention, let's not be overly distracted by strategic list objectives (I suspect that's the logic behind Fly's players not picks philosophy) - the time to focus on strategic list management is when we're no longer in contention, for now, let's utilize the legends on the list (Pendles, Steel) to most effectively pass on the baton to our younger players whilst doing our best to achieve Flag #17 - how nice would it be for Houston to kick the goal that seals the 2025 flag and puts us in the outright lead in the Premiership Race and all because the Baggers were focussing on the hole, and not the doughnut.

Yeah I'm not against getting Houston.

I'm against the train of thought of trading out of drafts on the regular.
People are speaking as if you can trade your way into an elite list without ever building a core group through the draft.

 

[nasi175]

If we make the trade with GCS, using pick 13 in the draft is highly unlikely to result in a significant shift to us having the best sub 21 team. Using that pick to get Houston adds a weapon to a list that was unbeaten this year in games against the: Lions, Power, Cartlol and ran the Swans to a kick.

It's too hard to build a squad that is in contention, let's not be overly distracted by strategic list objectives (I suspect that's the logic behind Fly's players not picks philosophy) - the time to focus on strategic list management is when we're no longer in contention, for now, let's utilize the legends on the list (Pendles, Steel) to most effectively pass on the baton to our younger players whilst doing our best to achieve Flag #17 - how nice would it be for Houston to kick the goal that seals the 2025 flag and puts us in the outright lead in the Premiership Race and all because the Baggers were focussing on the hole, and not the doughnut.

Get next two flags with Houston then trade him to blues for 2 first rounders. Everyone happy

 

[Horaceg]

What we don't want is no Houston and no Richards, To me this has to be avoided at all cost. IMO if we don't get Houston, we play hard ball on Richards.

I dont mind the idea of keeping Richards

 

[loki04]

Hey, I won't stand for this disrespect of the great Sav Rocca!

But yes, the team wasn't great back then.

That was the issue. We had Bucks, Willo and Sav.
Not enough support for them.
Loved big Sav, was shatterd when MM gave him to north, for sweet fa might i add.

That's like having N.Daicos ? ? In 2029.

 

[Matt_352]

I dont mind the idea of keeping Richards

I would love to keep Richards shame he doesn't feel the same way, I think he has a lot of upside

 

[Pragmatic Shill]

Hahahahahahah - Victorian Human Rights Charter getting a guernsey on AFL Trade Radio.

 

[Ted Potter]

Do you believe Buckley was set to release the offensive side fly brang out?

If you listen to Bucks comments in the media he is often at pains to state that our offensive play was off the back of our defensive structures.
I think losing 2018 where there was some loose defensive efforts changed the way he viewed it.

But agree that Nick changed the team dynamics.

The change Fly brought about was needed, but I suspect it was a personality thing as much as anything else. He also brought in Leppa and Bolton which helped rejuvenate the place.

As for Daicos, I don't think you could have played him any way else given his physique in his first year. He was an offensive halfback and would been the same under Buckley.

 

[devize]

We had most of the layers down. Fly added the last few and got us to a Flag last year

Both finals came down to less than a kick. If either went the opposite way we'd be having a totally different conversation. Thin margins.

 

[loki04]

I would love to keep Richards shame he doesn't feel the same way, I think he has a lot of upside

He also has weakness in his game.

Seen him get brushed aside very very easily at times.

Obviously has some very good weapons too in agility, pace and kicking.

 

[WakeUpPies]

Speaking of the old days … do we remember which pick we drafted Bucks, Anth, Clement and Licca at?

Or Scott Burns

Scott Burns

Age

49

Ht

181cm

Wt

85kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

19.2

5star

K

10.5

4star

HB

8.7

5star

M

5.0

5star

T

2.8

4star

No current season stats available

D

19.6

5star

K

13.0

5star

HB

6.6

4star

M

4.6

5star

T

3.0

5star

for that matter?

 

[Matt_352]

He also has weakness in his game.

Seen him get brushed aside very very easily at times.

Obviously has some very good weapons too in agility, pace and kicking.

Yeah fair

 

[loki04]

The change Fly brought about was needed, but I suspect it was a personality thing as much as anything else. He also brought in Leppa and Bolton which helped rejuvenate the place.

As for Daicos, I don't think you could have played him any way else given his physique in his first year. He was an offensive halfback and would been the same under Buckley.

Buckley would of had to change our mode off HB though as we were not a run and gun handball overlap team in his last seasons as coach.

We were looking to retain the ball by kicking often sideways and backwards to "safe" targets. At least that's how it played out, wether that was to instruction I guess is debatable but given it went on for near on 2 seasons I'd argue it was.

 

[sr36]

I don't think that is true of every player. Ie Howe, Crisp etc

But I would agree as a team the uber defensive plan sucked the life out of everyone team included. It did lay the foundations for the Fly Reno though so...

I view setting a defensive system as the easy part of coaching as players have anchor points. It's the dangerous running patterns and transition that is tough, which we only did well in 2018.

 

[peter9789]

I do think both Perryman and Houston are immediate best 22 for the next 5 years which is great, something we really need. But there is a lets not pretend we aren't sacrificing our future to stay in the window by getting Houston but also something that is a major part of the conversation is that we also did it with Schultz.

Schultz for pick 11 + 34 the latter was then traded to West Coast for Clay Hall but also pick 32 in this years draft

Noble + F1 and maybe also pick 36 (so gc can match) for picks 13 + 23

Houston for pick 13, 23 + Richards

We could by the end of this trad period + last year draft picks 11, F1 (2025), 13, 23, 34 (2023), 36 + Noble + Richards for two players in Houston and Schultz

Twomey has Tobie Travaglia and Bo Allan at pick 11/12 in his phantom form guide and pick 13 we could use on any one of Luke Trainor, Jobe Shanahan, Jack Whitlock. + pick 23, 32.

Otherwise we are taking at best, picks 36, 51, 54 in this draft.

Not a fan of Houston?

Look the draft is a lottery - no guarantee if we hung onto those picks we get for Noble that they would be any good. The club clearly feels it's in the Premiership window now.

I think your comments are fair to point out there is risk in our strategy, and that we have overpaid in some people's eyes. But Houston will take us close to a flag in 2025. As for 2026 and beyond we will have to figure it out.

We want another flag next year - they are hard to win and we have a list that has taken us their once. Can we do it again?

 

[Jafo]

Both finals came down to less than a kick. If either went the opposite way we'd be having a totally different conversation. Thin margins.

This is true. But the results are now the results. So this is the current narrative and glad at least one of them went our way.

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

What we don't want is no Houston and no Richards, To me this has to be avoided at all cost. IMO if we don't get Houston, we play hard ball on Richards.

I'd even go further and say what we don't want is no Richards, no Houston and no Noble

 

[ElliottsMaggies]

Highly unlikely.

He doesn't challenge the ball in the air as he cannot jump or is not explosive/athletic.

Then he is very slow to defend leaner and quicker forwards.

Then you cannot put him on big strong forwards either because he is not strong enough.


His only positive trait is that he's taller than 6'3.

Everything else, including awareness, is VFL level at best.


The Pies literally lost games because Dean was dominated by his man that it led to direct goals or indirect goals when his team mate had to help him leaving another player free.

Sorry, but Dean is not good enough for what the Pies need in their structure. If he is best 22, then Pies aren't gonna do well against the top 8 teams.

You're entitled to your own opinion.

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

The bias in the media with afl is staggering

Dunstall commentating
Maher etc
Lyon carry on with petracca and Oliver
These journos all with their own club agenda
And unfortunately most of them don’t like us
And the irony is that one of the few we have in media bucks goes out of his way at times to be unbiased

That's the added salt in the wound

BT purposely goes anti-Collingwood
Bucks does his absolute best to not bring us up or talk about us while going out of his way to pump up others

So even the very few Collingwood people in the media don't have our backs

Literally the only one really is Dale Thomas. That's it.

 

[loki04]

Speaking of the old days … do we remember which pick we drafted Bucks, Anth, Clement and Licca at?

Or Scott Burns for that matter?

Are you hinting at us trading in H.Reid, Naughton, S.Taylor and Caldwell?

As that is the calibre of trades you just listed...

Or do you mean what picks we took Thomas, Pendles, Reid, Brown, Sidebottom, Moore, Degoey, N.Daicos with?

 

[Ted Potter]

Buckley would of had to change our mode off HB though as we were not a run and gun handball overlap team in his last seasons as coach.

We were looking to retain the ball by kicking often sideways and backwards to "safe" targets. At least that's how it played out, wether that was to instruction I guess is debatable but given it went on for near on 2 seasons I'd argue it was.

Yea, I am probably underselling Fly's influence on game style which as you noted did change after Buckley. But Daicos had a huge influence in making it work as well as it did. People like to bag him because he was a receiver in his first year, but it was his work rate to get in position to receive that really opened up the game.