List Mgmt. Our Trade/FA, Suburban & Country Town Thread

[Jen2310]

Actually not surprised at both players being delisted with a commitment to relist.

Hopefully a wake up call.

Johnson contracted already till 2025, Markov out of contract this year and perhaps a contract for another year?

Markov had his contract re-structured to add on another year a couple months ago

 

[Bussie]

My issue with Reef being given a year then moved to defence is he may take time to adjust, meaning he may need more than a year. If he only shows glimpses will we retain him beyond 2025?

 

[Harry O]

No Oleg goodbye thread?

Never ceases to amaze me the bedwetting over a main list transfer to rookie list. Which in effect is no change

 

[Apex36]

Are you trying to trigger Gone Critical ?

Careful. You don't want to awaken the Growth Plate Police.

Just for some extra trigger material:

"I was 198-199 [centimetres] last year and I was measured again and I am 201 now," Darcy said, laughing.

Darcy Moore a Magpie growing up

Peter Moore had not seen Darcy for five or six weeks during the summer so when he returned home from a United States business trip he noticed something different about his son. He looked bigger somehow.

www.theage.com.au

I can’t find the article where he talked about his growth spurt and how it related to his injury issues early on but I definitely remember reading it.

 

[Apex36]

You're splitting hairs, I'm sure the club and both players would have agreed to it because we just don't do players dirty like that.

How is delisting with a commitment to re-draft doing a player dirty? It makes no tangible difference to them which list they’re on, and in addition it may also allow them to rejuvenate their career at a different club that needs them more than we do.

No. The club wouldn’t have sought an agreement from them to delist. It would have been a frank conversation telling them how things are and what the club plans to do. This sort of list management isn’t something that is going to be negotiated with the player.

 

[Jen2310]

My issue with Reef being given a year then moved to defence is he may take time to adjust, meaning he may need more than a year. If he only shows glimpses will we retain him beyond 2025?

He played the last 2-3 games in the vfl there off no pre-season in that position. I think he would adjust fine.

 

[sideswipe]

Just for some extra trigger material:

Darcy Moore a Magpie growing up

Peter Moore had not seen Darcy for five or six weeks during the summer so when he returned home from a United States business trip he noticed something different about his son. He looked bigger somehow.

www.theage.com.au

I can’t find the article where he talked about his growth spurt and how it related to his injury issues early on but I definitely remember reading it.

WTF do you think you are playing at? GC will go full nutso now.

 

[Apex36]

Apologies if already been asked, but if Oleg and Ash express interest in staying at the Pies, can other clubs still take them in the draft? Will they be forced?

Yes they can but unlikely they will unless they genuinely want them in their best 23.

 

[sr36]

WTF do you think you are playing at? GC will go full nutso now.

Darcy's growth plates had trauma related delayed development due to discovering that Peter's growth plates left the Pies to play for Melbourne. It was a rare case of late onset growth plate fusion.

 

[sideswipe]

Darcy's growth plates had trauma related delayed development due to discovering that Peter's growth plates left the Pies to play for Melbourne. It was a rare case of late onset growth plate fusion.

My guess is one of the people measuring Darcy couldn't see that high so made a bit of a guess.

 

[Stripes B and W]

My guess is one of the people measuring Darcy couldn't see that high so made a bit of a guess.

I'm off the view we replaced Darcy with a shorter individual, sold this to the world, then accurately measured Darcy.
Imagine the lift anyone would get to be told you are in fact 3-4 cm taller, surely it'd be mind altering psychology, all for the good.

Been done before in Australian sport Fine Cotton and Bold Personality, a pair of kissing cousins they were.

 

[manicpie]

Looking like we're going with Frampton and Dean as the back up key defenders. Would it be worth putting Dean on the main list and only taking 2 in the draft. That way we could leave a rookie spot for someone like tomlinson or clury. Our side looks well served everywhere else except those 2 KD Positions

 

[sr36]

Looking like we're going with Frampton and Dean as the back up key defenders. Would it be worth putting Dean on the main list and only taking 2 in the draft. That way we could leave a rookie spot for someone like tomlinson or clury. Our side looks well served everywhere else except those 2 KD Positions

I hope Long makes me eat my words, but surprised he was retained rather than adding a depth KPD - I think they rate Bruzzy's ability to play tall if need be (I do too), but we really need a good run of health from our tall defenders - but who doesn't?

 

[GETSOMENUTS]

Looking like we're going with Frampton and Dean as the back up key defenders. Would it be worth putting Dean on the main list and only taking 2 in the draft. That way we could leave a rookie spot for someone like tomlinson or clury. Our side looks well served everywhere else except those 2 KD Positions

Im probably in the minority but i just dont see it with Dean. I dont think he is ever gonna make the step up to AFL level.
Id much rather we cut him loose and sign a known quantity in Tomlinson, regardless of the amount of that quantity, its still better than Dean.

 

[manicpie]

Im probably in the minority but i just dont see it with Dean. I dont think he is ever gonna make the step up to AFL level.
Id much rather we cut him loose and sign a known quantity in Tomlinson, regardless of the amount of that quantity, its still better than Dean.

Basically, we're going to have to see Dean go up a level next year. It's not out of the question but it is a concern, especially if Moore gets injured at any stage

 

[Pleasedontfail11]

I may be in the absolute minority here, but I am happy to back AJ in for one more season.

He was borderline uncompetitive this year, and that arrogant incident in the VFL where he showed the ball to the opponent only to fumble the bounce and get chased down, pretty much summed up his season.

But the glimpses he showed in 2022 tell me there is some serious talent there. And he reportedly had an excellent preseason this year and got really fit.

I'm not sure why he fell off so far or if he has a future in the AFL. But, I am not writing him off just yet.

I think this year being his last contracted year, he will do one of two things:
1. he will either give it all because he truly wants an AFL career. He might have a very good year or show that he doesn't have it.

2. He will just give up. He will run around in the VFL and not do much.

 

[TradeDraft]

I may be in the absolute minority here, but I am happy to back AJ in for one more season.

He was borderline uncompetitive this year, and that arrogant incident in the VFL where he showed the ball to the opponent only to fumble the bounce and get chased down, pretty much summed up his season.

But the glimpses he showed in 2022 tell me there is some serious talent there. And he reportedly had an excellent preseason this year and got really fit.

I'm not sure why he fell off so far or if he has a future in the AFL. But, I am not writing him off just yet.

Hopefully takes this as a Kick up the Ass and Put the Effort in OR he still does not care and have another bad season and gone at end of 2025 Season

 

[JuniorB]

So, for next year, we have AJ, Macrae and Markov contracted, and Dean, Long, Sullivan and McInnes signed for 1 year.
If none of these make the grade, we'll have a few list spots to fill at the end of next season, and that's not including likely retirements.
We might need more 2025 draft picks.

 

[sideswipe]

This talk of AJ or Markov receiving a kick up the arse/reality check from their delist/relist is complete nonsense.

They are both in their final contract year - if that isn’t motivation enough, then a bit of list management isn’t going to drive them any harder.


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[Jen2310]

So, for next year, we have AJ, Macrae and Markov contracted, and Dean, Long, Sullivan and McInnes signed for 1 year.
If none of these make the grade, we'll have a few list spots to fill at the end of next season, and that's not including likely retirements.
We might need more 2025 draft picks.

There will be 21 players OOC next year. Will be interesting.

 

[Forethought]

Well I am sure, so you can be sure. Any payments made to a player after they have been delisted go towards the salary cap in the last year they were a listed player. if you think about it, it can't be any other way.

If we are already at 100%, we go past it into that buffer zone up to 105%, which effectively reduces our 2025 cap.

The CBA states “if a player is delisted with a remaining term still on his contract he is to be paid up as per monthly payments schedule to the 31st Oct in the delisted year.
For the period between Nov and all applicable draft periods moving forward the player is to get his monthly payment based on his terms of the contract. Then if he isn’t contracted by the club or any other club at the conclusion of National and rookie drafts he must be paid out his contract in full within 7 days.
This by nature means all his payout would be for the 2025 TPP year

Re your TPP buffer zone. This ability to pay up to 105% is only available if in the previous years you haven’t paid your full TPP. Not as you’ve suggested.

Just for clarity and not trying to be a Pr$&k

 

[RobJD]

So, for next year, we have AJ, Macrae and Markov contracted, and Dean, Long, Sullivan and McInnes signed for 1 year.
If none of these make the grade, we'll have a few list spots to fill at the end of next season, and that's not including likely retirements.
We might need more 2025 draft picks.

I can see us being in a similar position next year to the position that the Cats are in this year. They've delisted 10 players and don't have a strong draft hand - My guess is that the Cats will use some 2025 picks to move back into this year's draft - another interesting watch will be the value of next years picks with the new Draft Value Index.

We'll be favoured by: having Tom Mc as our likely first pick, and the new trading rules - guess we'll be looking at the Free Agent list pretty closely - it will be an interesting watch.

 

[Jen2310]

I can see us being in a similar position next year to the position that the Cats are in this year. They've delisted 10 players and don't have a strong draft hand - My guess is that the Cats will use some 2025 picks to move back into this year's draft - another interesting watch will be the value of next years picks with the new Draft Value Index.

We'll be favoured by: having Tom Mc as our likely first pick, and the new trading rules - guess we'll be looking at the Free Agent list pretty closely - it will be an interesting watch.

Can use rookie draft, SSP, MSD if we had that many spots available. There are other ways to fill them in.
Or trade 2026 picks into 2025, which we may need to do to match a bid

 

[rand corp]

Definitely see this coming season as the last dance for the pies, a lot going to depend on injuries and the form of the pensioners on our list. Fading stars that they are, and we do have a lot of them in the 30+ category.

If we fall short, we are going to have to go to the well, trade ourselves into the next couple of drafts and rebuild the list.

 

[TradeDraft]

Definitely see this coming season as the last dance for the pies, a lot going to depend on injuries and the form of the pensioners on our list. Fading stars that they are, and we do have a lot of them in the 30+ category.

If we fall short, we are going to have to go to the well, trade ourselves into the next couple of drafts and rebuild the list.

What Players would you Trade to get high draft picks?

Not getting High Draft Picks for the 30+ Year Olds

Us getting Perryman and Houston sounds to me the Club think we could have 2-3 years Crack at the Flag as would been better to get into this Draft instead of Mature Age Prospects like Perryman/Membery?