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Unsure if the list will be old and tired when we have so much talent <23 years of age. We have seen in posts above we only have 1 or 2 players hanging around from drafts gone by, we have basically forgone 2 players. Probably end up pulling Phillopou back in a trade or delisted free agent.I am not sure that we can blame Hinkley entirely for our list building in recent times. He would have a major say in who we add to the list but there would also be others who have a say. I can imagine the likes of Chris Davies and the rest of the Coaching staff having their say.
The real problem goes deeper than who we have traded in the real problem is the fractured outlook re our list builds during the Hinkley years. The ethos seems to have been we have a good list which only needs boosting in some key areas to turn our list into a Premiership list. Hence we have traded in the likes of Jarred Polec, Paddy Ryder, Jack Watts, Steven Motlop, Francis Evans, Tom Rockliff, and more recently the likes of Jeremy Finlayson, Allir Aliir, Esava Ratugolea, Ivan Soldo, Jordan Sweet and Willie Rioli. Some of these have proved to be good players but they have not achieved the ultimate in fact they have not even got us into a Grand Final.
The assessment has been off the mark and the addition of experience in key areas has not worked. It has also covered up one of Ken Hinkley's greatest failings as a Coach- namely his inability to develop young players particularly tall players.
The real cost of this failure is yet to be realised as we burned last year's draft and there is every chance we will do the same in 2024. The full effect of not drafting first and second round picks in 2023 and in 2024 will be seen in three or four years time when we have a tired old list relying on players drafted six or seven years in the past. The real task for whoever succeeds Hinkley will be a list rebuild and hopefully covering the holes created by burning a series of Drafts.
Not only would I get rid of Hinkley but I would also say thanks and goodbye to the likes of Davies, Cripps, Parker etc. The problem is the person who should instigate this is David Koch but he should also go. Honk your horn if you agree!
Jesus we love a pile on, talking about failed speculative picks and we find a way to bag getting games into our best Key Forward prospect drafted since Lockwood…Versus 10000000 Toddy games
Unsure if the list will be old and tired when we have so much talent <23 years of age. We have seen in posts above we only have 1 or 2 players hanging around from drafts gone by, we have basically forgone 2 players. Probably end up pulling Phillopou back in a trade or delisted free agent.
Also if our list structure needs someone in this age bracket, free agency is a viable option.
However it may also force us to play the kids to cover the so called shortfalls of these two drafts you speak of.
In terms of Risk vs Reward, I think exiting Two drafts when you have the age profile we do isn’t a huge gamble, if the right coach is at the helm.
So we drafted Lord and Jones 4 years ago, and brought in Goldsack and Scofield.You miss the point. We have tried free agency as means of topping up and it has not worked. We have to develop a crop of young players and under Hinkley we are not doing that. Playing the kids is one thing but the kids have to have talent and when you burn Drafts at the rate we are that young talent is not there. It really goes back more than two Drafts as our last first round Draft pick was Josh Sinn who we took at pick #12 in 2021. When I look at our list I can probably find two maybe three young players to get really excited about.
Not having a strong hand in the Drafts is a huge gamble and we may not feel the effect for at least four years. Hopefully by that time Hinkley will not be around to pick up the pieces from a mess that he created. Someone else may have to do the hard work.
Pretty much all of these were really good pick ups. The only exception is Esava, who we overpaid so much for its probably one of the worst trades we've ever done. If we had got him in for pick 50-60 (as would have been reasonable) he would be a great pick up too.Let's go over the list of inspired signings made the AFL's answer to Carlo Ancellotti. I'm not talking about young players who are up and coming but could never quite cut it, I'm talking more along the lines of journeyman player who shouldn't be at the club.
1. Brett EddyPLAYERCARDSTARTBrett Eddy
- Age
- 34
- Ht
- 193cm
- Wt
- 97kg
- Pos.
- Fwd
CareerSeasonLast 5
- D
- 7.0
- 2star
- K
- 5.3
- 2star
- HB
- 1.7
- 2star
- M
- 1.7
- 2star
- T
- 2.3
- 4star
- G
- 1.0
- 4star
No current season stats available
- D
- 7.0
- 2star
- K
- 5.3
- 2star
- HB
- 1.7
- 2star
- M
- 1.7
- 2star
- T
- 2.3
- 4star
- G
- 1.0
- 4star
PLAYERCARDEND
2. Dom BarryPLAYERCARDSTARTDom Barry
- Age
- 30
- Ht
- 179cm
- Wt
- 76kg
- Pos.
- Mid
CareerSeasonLast 5
- D
- 11.2
- 3star
- K
- 5.2
- 2star
- HB
- 6.0
- 4star
- M
- 2.2
- 2star
- T
- 1.7
- 4star
- CL
- 0.8
- 3star
No current season stats available
- D
- 7.6
- 2star
- K
- 3.8
- 2star
- HB
- 3.8
- 3star
- M
- 1.2
- 2star
- T
- 1.4
- 4star
- CL
- 0.4
- 3star
PLAYERCARDEND
3. Jack Watts
4. Jack TrengovePLAYERCARDSTARTJack Trengove
- Age
- 32
- Ht
- 186cm
- Wt
- 85kg
- Pos.
- Def
CareerSeasonLast 5
- D
- 18.5
- 5star
- K
- 9.4
- 4star
- HB
- 9.1
- 5star
- M
- 4.2
- 4star
- T
- 4.5
- 5star
- MG
- 188.9
- 3star
No current season stats available
- D
- 20.6
- 5star
- K
- 8.6
- 4star
- HB
- 12.0
- 5star
- M
- 3.4
- 4star
- T
- 3.6
- 5star
PLAYERCARDEND
5. Lindsay Thomas
6. Esava RatugoleaPLAYERCARDSTART27Esava Ratugolea
- Age
- 26
- Ht
- 197cm
- Wt
- 108kg
- Pos.
- Def
CareerSeasonLast 5
- D
- 8.6
- 2star
- K
- 4.8
- 2star
- HB
- 3.8
- 3star
- M
- 2.7
- 3star
- T
- 2.2
- 4star
- MG
- 131.6
- 2star
- D
- 8.1
- 2star
- K
- 4.3
- 2star
- HB
- 3.9
- 3star
- M
- 2.1
- 2star
- T
- 2.5
- 3star
- MG
- 109.0
- 2star
- D
- 9.2
- 3star
- K
- 5.0
- 2star
- HB
- 4.2
- 4star
- M
- 4.0
- 4star
- T
- 2.2
- 4star
- MG
- 133.8
- 3star
PLAYERCARDEND
7. Jimmy ToumpasPLAYERCARDSTARTJimmy Toumpas
- Age
- 30
- Ht
- 183cm
- Wt
- 82kg
- Pos.
- Mid
CareerSeasonLast 5
- D
- 14.4
- 4star
- K
- 7.6
- 3star
- HB
- 6.7
- 4star
- M
- 3.3
- 3star
- T
- 2.7
- 4star
- CL
- 0.8
- 3star
No current season stats available
- D
- 7.0
- 2star
- K
- 4.0
- 2star
- HB
- 3.0
- 3star
- M
- 1.8
- 2star
- T
- 2.4
- 4star
- CL
- 0.2
- 2star
PLAYERCARDEND
Is there anyone else I've missed?
We could have signed Monfries as a FA but we agreed with Essendon to trade for him to avoid losing the FA compensation for losing Chaplin and/or Pearce. I think there was something Essendon benefited from it re Brendon Goddard as well.I think the one we were dudded on was the Monfries trade - sure we only gave up pick 51 for him, but then for him to be suspended for 12mths through no fault of ours without any compo is a disgrace!
Essendon werent going to get a compo pick anyway due to Goddard so any pick we gave them was an improvement for them.We could have signed Monfries as a FA but we agreed with Essendon to trade for him to avoid losing the FA compensation for losing Chaplin and/or Pearce. I think there was something Essendon benefited from it re Brendon Goddard as well.
The logic between Marshall and Lord is wild. Marshall had 4 bad years then came good for 2 years now back to bad.Jesus we love a pile on, talking about failed speculative picks and we find a way to bag getting games into our best Key Forward prospect drafted since Lockwood…
We either don’t play the promising kids enough or play the promising kids to much, BigFooty101.
Until the Grand Final
We drafted him to cripple South Adelaide.Until the Grand Final
Who knows, but he certainly played like it.Is it an urban legend that he was told he was going to be delisted the week of that game?
No current season stats available
No current season stats available
Imagine Jason Cripps confusion. Bring em in and Ken picks the same old because he doesn't understand structure.The problem was not that we picked these guys up, it was that we did not play them at AFL level when in form! Brett Eddy won the Ken Farmer medal the year he was with us and Jack Trengove was on track to win the Magarey before he got injured. It was bizarre to pick these guys up if there was no intention of playing them - and sure, neither might have made it. But we never found out at AFL level.
Let's go over the list of inspired signings made the AFL's answer to Carlo Ancellotti. I'm not talking about young players who are up and coming but could never quite cut it, I'm talking more along the lines of journeyman player who shouldn't be at the club.
1. Brett Eddy
2. Dom Barry
3. Jack Watts
4. Jack Trengove
5. Lindsay Thomas
6. Esava Ratugolea
7. Jimmy Toumpas
Is there anyone else I've missed?
I forgot about the Coyote.Wylie buzza - paid nothing but waste of a list spot