List Mgmt. Part 3- And on it goes: The trade and draft megathread

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From our GF22 we’ve lost Lycett (replaced by Hickey in the short term and eventually Naitanui sometime after the bye) and Lecras.

Notionally but not necessarily structurally Gaff takes Leccas spot in our best 22. Sheppard will force out
Schofield as harsh as that might be after his excellent GF (and PF for that matter)

Age wise we’re in pretty good shape with only JK and Hurn starting 2019 the wrong side of 30 (both are 31). Jetta, Schofield and Masten all reach 30 during 2019.

With delistings seemingly complete we have the following as depth then :

KPD/3rd tall :
Schofield, Rotham

Small/medium defender :
Nelson, Watson(r), Mutimer

KPF/3rd tall :
Brander, Oallen (both can play back), Waterman

Small/medium forward :
Achee, Petruccelli

Ruck :
McInnes(r) is it until Naitanui returns

Midfield:
Ainsworth, Brayshaw, Mallen (also capable of playing as a forward but his future at west coast hinges on a midfield transition)

35 on the main list, 2 rookies and 2 cat b rookies - Bines who projects as a ruck/KPP and Riach who is more a running type player (similar build and movement to Sheppard when I’ve seen him at training)

Currently have picks 20,22,61,72 (&76 should we choose to use it*)
Rookie draft would be 18,36&54 if required.

Fair to say our forward half is suitably covered especially with the likely acquisition of Cameron as a discounted academy selection presumably with pick 61

Picks 20 and 22 need to be used on our most pressing needs - midfield and halfback. Best available in either of these two positions

Remaining picks are a lottery.

Eastland from Claremont as discussed by Monocle and AsterixTheGaul appeals as a project KPD who can ruck. Ajang from EP wouldn’t be the worst option either as a project ruck. Maybe Strandica from Fremantle

Also would like us to pick a mature aged mid from the WAFL - Pickett would be ideal but suspect he’ll be taken before our 70’s picks so maybe someone like Bolton or Meadows

Beyond that I just want us to not waste picks like we did with the likes of Gorter and Burrows

* I’m hoping we use all available draft picks to fill all possible 40 main list spots rather than go with 39 as we’ve done in recent years. If we pass on 76 it means 17 players (minimum) get taken before we next have a chance to draft a player with our first rookie pick
 
LittleGreekGod said:
The queries on Walters pre draft certainly proved true. Attitude, work ethic and fitness.
It took 2 seasons to knock these deficiencies from his head.
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Luckily we took Ash Smith earlier with his amazing attitude, work ethic and fitness then.
 
Carbine Chaos said:
Luckily we took Ash Smith earlier with his amazing attitude, work ethic and fitness then.
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All clubs have certain criteria for draft selection
WCE don’t always get it right but have to have some basis and I think they can stand on their record. They again built a premiership team without too much access to to 10 picks
 

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LittleGreekGod said:
All clubs have certain criteria for draft selection
WCE don’t always get it right but have to have some basis and I think they can stand on their record. They again built a premiership team without too much access to to 10 picks
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Most of our top 10 picks were in the sheds for the grand final, Nic, Shep and Gaff. Off the top of my head Masten was the only top ten pick(maybe JK but we didn't pick him) to play in the GF.
WCE have done well with later picks and some trades that eventually panned out.
 
Keys said:
From our GF22 we’ve lost Lycett (replaced by Hickey in the short term and eventually Naitanui sometime after the bye) and Lecras.

Notionally but not necessarily structurally Gaff takes Leccas spot in our best 22. Sheppard will force out
Schofield as harsh as that might be after his excellent GF (and PF for that matter)

Age wise we’re in pretty good shape with only JK and Hurn starting 2019 the wrong side of 30 (both are 31). Jetta, Schofield and Masten all reach 30 during 2019.

With delistings seemingly complete we have the following as depth then :

KPD/3rd tall :
Schofield, Rotham

Small/medium defender :
Nelson, Watson(r), Mutimer

KPF/3rd tall :
Brander, Oallen (both can play back), Waterman

Small/medium forward :
Achee, Petruccelli

Ruck :
McInnes(r) is it until Naitanui returns

Midfield:
Ainsworth, Brayshaw, Mallen (also capable of playing as a forward but his future at west coast hinges on a midfield transition)

35 on the main list, 2 rookies and 2 cat b rookies - Bines who projects as a ruck/KPP and Riach who is more a running type player (similar build and movement to Sheppard when I’ve seen him at training)

Currently have picks 20,22,61,72 (&76 should we choose to use it*)
Rookie draft would be 18,36&54 if required.

Fair to say our forward half is suitably covered especially with the likely acquisition of Cameron as a discounted academy selection presumably with pick 61

Picks 20 and 22 need to be used on our most pressing needs - midfield and halfback. Best available in either of these two positions

Remaining picks are a lottery.

Eastland from Claremont as discussed by Monocle and AsterixTheGaul appeals as a project KPD who can ruck. Ajang from EP wouldn’t be the worst option either as a project ruck. Maybe Strandica from Fremantle

Also would like us to pick a mature aged mid from the WAFL - Pickett would be ideal but suspect he’ll be taken before our 70’s picks so maybe someone like Bolton or Meadows

Beyond that I just want us to not waste picks like we did with the likes of Gorter and Burrows

* I’m hoping we use all available draft picks to fill all possible 40 main list spots rather than go with 39 as we’ve done in recent years. If we pass on 76 it means 17 players (minimum) get taken before we next have a chance to draft a player with our first rookie pick
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Recent Afl.com.au suggesting we will have 38 or 39 on the main list.
 
Obeanie1 said:
Based off the rankings for the past 12 months by draft experts Hill was ranked a top 10 talent who has slid to the teens.

If that talent is there at 23 we would seriously have to consider taking him.

I still remember us taking Tom Swift ahewd of Walters.:(:oops:
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Unfortunately you win some, you lose some - it's a bit like buying a pig in a poke unless you have a top 10 pick and even then there's no guarantee?
 
Keys said:
From our GF22 we’ve lost Lycett (replaced by Hickey in the short term and eventually Naitanui sometime after the bye) and Lecras.

Notionally but not necessarily structurally Gaff takes Leccas spot in our best 22. Sheppard will force out
Schofield as harsh as that might be after his excellent GF (and PF for that matter)

Age wise we’re in pretty good shape with only JK and Hurn starting 2019 the wrong side of 30 (both are 31). Jetta, Schofield and Masten all reach 30 during 2019.

With delistings seemingly complete we have the following as depth then :

KPD/3rd tall :
Schofield, Rotham

Small/medium defender :
Nelson, Watson(r), Mutimer

KPF/3rd tall :
Brander, Oallen (both can play back), Waterman

Small/medium forward :
Achee, Petruccelli

Ruck :
McInnes(r) is it until Naitanui returns

Midfield:
Ainsworth, Brayshaw, Mallen (also capable of playing as a forward but his future at west coast hinges on a midfield transition)

35 on the main list, 2 rookies and 2 cat b rookies - Bines who projects as a ruck/KPP and Riach who is more a running type player (similar build and movement to Sheppard when I’ve seen him at training)

Currently have picks 20,22,61,72 (&76 should we choose to use it*)
Rookie draft would be 18,36&54 if required.

Fair to say our forward half is suitably covered especially with the likely acquisition of Cameron as a discounted academy selection presumably with pick 61

Picks 20 and 22 need to be used on our most pressing needs - midfield and halfback. Best available in either of these two positions

Remaining picks are a lottery.

Eastland from Claremont as discussed by Monocle and AsterixTheGaul appeals as a project KPD who can ruck. Ajang from EP wouldn’t be the worst option either as a project ruck. Maybe Strandica from Fremantle

Also would like us to pick a mature aged mid from the WAFL - Pickett would be ideal but suspect he’ll be taken before our 70’s picks so maybe someone like Bolton or Meadows

Beyond that I just want us to not waste picks like we did with the likes of Gorter and Burrows

* I’m hoping we use all available draft picks to fill all possible 40 main list spots rather than go with 39 as we’ve done in recent years. If we pass on 76 it means 17 players (minimum) get taken before we next have a chance to draft a player with our first rookie pick
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Good post.

I'll add a couple of thoughts.

1. Eastland - he is undersized as a starting ruckman but could be a ok as a chop out. I would like to see if he can follow McGovern as a future CHB. I believe he is rucking at Claremont as he is the best available option at the cub, not that this is where he could develop at an AFL level. He can do a heap more and has a great pair of mitts. Good agility around the ground and seeks the physical contest.

2. What is our list - 39/5 or 40/4? The philosophy of having more rookies is beneficial in you only need to offer 1 year. The way we have picked with Gorter and Burrows is almost self fulfilling in that they only deserve 1 year.

3. Ruck option are needed. I do not want McInnes to be our fallback so I am happy to go one of Zac Clarke or Luke Strandica. The former is ready to go now hence may get a bid in the main list while the latter will need another couple of years to develop and would be a late rookie pick.

4. Mature WAFL - yes. Pickett may be gone but there are a few like Meadows, Parker, Schloithe, Bolton, etc that could be of value. It will be a matter of which picks we have to take them with but I would like Pickett and Parker in that order but would not go early on either.

5. Pure mids for our first 2 is what I want. One inside and one balanced of outside (select your pairing from Valente, Smith, O'Halloran, Butters, Duursma, Kennerly).

6. Hill is feeling like he is sliding and may end up at our picks. Firstly, I do not believe Adelaide will go for him at the pick between our 2 so if we go for Hill, let him slide to our second pick. Definitely need an inside mid if we intend to go Hill. I am not sure apart from the obvious injury as to all that has happened with Hill but he is a lesser light than he was in 2017. I'd happily back in the selection because he was pretty damn exciting in 2017.

7. Cameron will cost very little past pick 45 and he is certainly worth matching past about pick 35.


Important summer for
  • Nelson - obvious endurance issues
  • MAllen - can he deliver as a mid
  • Waterman - can he be 3rd tall defender and forward or even a wing
  • Rotham - looking like a fail so needs to get back his run and carry and his kicking - more the HBF and winger and less the KPD
  • Ainsworth - time to fix that ball drop
  • Brayshaw - don't be the brother that missed out
 
Keys said:
From our GF22 we’ve lost Lycett (replaced by Hickey in the short term and eventually Naitanui sometime after the bye) and Lecras.

Notionally but not necessarily structurally Gaff takes Leccas spot in our best 22. Sheppard will force out
Schofield as harsh as that might be after his excellent GF (and PF for that matter)

Age wise we’re in pretty good shape with only JK and Hurn starting 2019 the wrong side of 30 (both are 31). Jetta, Schofield and Masten all reach 30 during 2019.

With delistings seemingly complete we have the following as depth then :

KPD/3rd tall :
Schofield, Rotham

Small/medium defender :
Nelson, Watson(r), Mutimer

KPF/3rd tall :
Brander, Oallen (both can play back), Waterman

Small/medium forward :
Achee, Petruccelli

Ruck :
McInnes(r) is it until Naitanui returns

Midfield:
Ainsworth, Brayshaw, Mallen (also capable of playing as a forward but his future at west coast hinges on a midfield transition)

35 on the main list, 2 rookies and 2 cat b rookies - Bines who projects as a ruck/KPP and Riach who is more a running type player (similar build and movement to Sheppard when I’ve seen him at training)

Currently have picks 20,22,61,72 (&76 should we choose to use it*)
Rookie draft would be 18,36&54 if required.

Fair to say our forward half is suitably covered especially with the likely acquisition of Cameron as a discounted academy selection presumably with pick 61

Picks 20 and 22 need to be used on our most pressing needs - midfield and halfback. Best available in either of these two positions

Remaining picks are a lottery.

Eastland from Claremont as discussed by Monocle and AsterixTheGaul appeals as a project KPD who can ruck. Ajang from EP wouldn’t be the worst option either as a project ruck. Maybe Strandica from Fremantle

Also would like us to pick a mature aged mid from the WAFL - Pickett would be ideal but suspect he’ll be taken before our 70’s picks so maybe someone like Bolton or Meadows

Beyond that I just want us to not waste picks like we did with the likes of Gorter and Burrows

* I’m hoping we use all available draft picks to fill all possible 40 main list spots rather than go with 39 as we’ve done in recent years. If we pass on 76 it means 17 players (minimum) get taken before we next have a chance to draft a player with our first rookie pick
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I guess one of the main reasons not to fill all spots on the main list would be the minimum 2 year contract and whether they see too many retirements and likely delistings next year.mutimer is and obvioys delisting and Schofield a retirement option but not sure i see too many others at this stage so they might leave some wriggle room for that

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mattyc75 said:
I guess one of the main reasons not to fill all spots on the main list would be the minimum 2 year contract and whether they see too many retirements and likely delistings next year.mutimer is and obvioys delisting and Schofield a retirement option but not sure i see too many others at this stage so they might leave some wriggle room for that

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Jetta and Kennedy will be likely retirements
 
WCErevival said:
Jetta and Kennedy will be likely retirements
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Maybe,maybe not.neither are that old and if kennedy has a good run with injuries he should go on.
If jetta continues his good form in the backline i hope plays on too

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mattyc75 said:
Maybe,maybe not.neither are that old and if kennedy has a good run with injuries he should go on.
If jetta continues his good form in the backline i hope plays on too

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Eagles players post 30 are an almost month to month proposition though. Priddis, Cox and Glass recently all went from AA to cooked in two years.
 

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Quinz said:
Eagles players post 30 are an almost month to month proposition though. Priddis, Cox and Glass recently all went from AA to cooked in two years.
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Sadly true. I feel like WCE should play Kennedy only in 50 percent of games to give him another 3 years. Have him rarely travel. Prime him for finals.

In the mean time O Allen and Brander get trained up as his replacement
 
I've always felt that the club should have an aggressive recovery policy for players 28 and over. Like maximum of 17 regular season games a year. Extra week coming back from injury etc.
 
Hill has Jarrod Pickett written all over him.

Dominated juniors and looked a million bucks against smaller opponents, but just doesn't have the skills/attributes for a role at AFL level.

Mike Sheehan (genius) said he had the skills and traits of Peter Matera, also that he could play midfield, as did many other AFL.priddis experts.


And yet he is laughably bad at AFL level. I see the same thing potentially happening with Hill, like it's slowly happening with SPP, stuck in the forward line after playing midfield in his junior years.
 
BeornJ said:
Sadly true. I feel like WCE should play Kennedy only in 50 percent of games to give him another 3 years. Have him rarely travel. Prime him for finals.

In the mean time O Allen and Brander get trained up as his replacement
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Ideally JK's plays for another two seasons. JK in 2009 - his fourth season - was when he started to come on. 7 goals in his third season (2008) to 31 in his fourth (2009). If JK holds up for another couple of years it'll buy WC the time needed for Brander and Allen to physically mature and develop their game.

Given WC are in their window, I would only be resting him for games against easy-beats at home. This year displayed how well WC went without him there. (They may have won at times, but they were hardly machine-like.) It's in these intermittent gaps where Brander can get the odd game apart from injury.
 
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ArdentEagle said:
Couldn't we look to train/play Hill in a psuedo Bunji McLeod HBF role?
He wasn't the biggest bloke but went alright.

If you can football, you can football.
People are too obsessed with size these days imo.
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Thinking the same thing, running off half back.
 
So I am struggling on Hill.

Given we have Cameron on as a NGA discount and can cheaply go into deficit next year, we add that to Rioli Venables Ryan and Petrucelle and we have less of a need for Hill. He was electric at times in 2017 and disappointed for a load of 2018.

If we want midfielders, then stay away from Hill. With his demise and Cameron’s improvement, there is little between them is impact and upside potential.

In terms of changing my mind, this was not were I was at 12 months ago. This is one development trajectory that has me uncertain.
 
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