Patrick Dangerfield 'dangerous tackle' - gone or safe?

[Mitchell Madness]

Action was 2 plus (both arms pinned is the ultimate no-no), and players for the last 2 years have been given 2 for the same action.

 

[The 747]

Personally I think the suspensions for dangerous tackles are OTT, but based on what we have seen this year it had to be a suspension.

Would like to see the in-game dangerous tackles removed as the umpires seem to get those hilariously wrong - and you really need the benefit of replays to judge it.

 

[ThatsjustDappa]

FMD people saying Walsh contributed to his head hitting the ground. He had no time to even think that through. From the moment he was immediately tackled After taking possession to his head hitting the ground could be measured in fractions of a second.

Why did his head hit the ground though? Hmmm, do you think it might be because as PD dragged him down his (Walsh) knees dig into the turf. This provided a point of rotation, a pivot that saw his thighs, upper body and head rotate around a point until the football that he was holding against his lower chest hit the ground. That then mostly stopp, there's ed the rotation of his thighs and upper body, but provided another point of rotation for his neck and head, that through summation of forces, was then slammed into the ground. Of course, both arms being pinned meant that Walsh was unable to bring one or both forward to break his fall.

But no, there are mental pygmies in this thread who choose to believe that one of Carlton’s best players chose to risk an early game concussion, possible multiple weeks off football, possible other physical injuries and life long brain trauma to win a free kick in the first 15 seconds of a game that his team were favourites to win anyway.

Mental pygmy my a*se, plenty of players play for frees every round and not just bottom feeder role players....

....plain as day every round there's players willing to incur injuries and possible life long neck trauma for a free ducking into tackles....

....and pretty sure they don't also milk for free kicks only towards the end of a game....

 

[TheEscapeClub]

If you want to apply that logic then we can use it to argue Dangerfield’s act was deliberate.

Danger gets is legs out in front of both himself and Walsh to try and halt the momentum, he didn't succeed. Walsh tried the same thing in either the 2nd or 3rd quarter but was unsuccessful.

 

[JackFlash]

Ludicrous decision, everything wrong with football in the 21st century can be seen right here.

 

[TheEscapeClub]

He threw his legs out to give himself leverage, weight & the momentum to bring Walsh to ground.
Nothing more, nothing less.

Throwing your legs out transfers the ballast of the upper body weight downwards.

This technique is used all the time in League to bring down the larger players. NRL tackling techniques that are now trained in the AFL.

Dangerfield has always tackled with “intent” it’s part of his playing arsenal, I for one love players that play with an edge.

In this instance, and with the changing landscape and intent to protect players that cannot protect themselves (duty of care) in moments (in this case Walsh having both arms pinged) it resulted in a dangerous tackle.
In todays game, that’s a week. More if the player is injured, in particular if that injury pertains to a head injury.

To say Walsh contributed in any way is just being ridiculous.

Both Danger and Walsh lucky that the tackle didn’t result in injury.

Walsh tried it again in the 2nd when tackled by Duncan with about 8:50 left in the quarter.

 

[BF Tiger]

Mental pygmy my a*se, plenty of players play for frees every round and not just bottom feeder role players....

....plain as day every round there's players willing to incur injuries and possible life long neck trauma for a free ducking into tackles....

....and pretty sure they don't also milk for free kicks only towards the end of a game....

Regardless of what you say about players milking frees explain to me how in this instance Walsh would have been able to deny the laws of physics, you know... momentum, angular rotation, transfer of energy, inertia, whatever etc etc... and just halted his head and body in mid-air. Is he some type of super-hero?

This is all aside to whether the action is suspendable. I really don't care as I recognise the lottery that the tribunal is. But to be blaming Walsh for his head hitting the ground is ludicrous.

 

[OnceWeWereKings]

Walsh tried it again in the 2nd when tackled by Duncan with about 8:50 left in the quarter.

So Walsh tried to be dangerously tackled in which his arms were pinned, the tackler used his entire body weight to bring him to ground whereby he couldn’t protect himself again in the second quarter?

 

[The 747]

From what the footage shows, even if you favoured the did it on purpose view it is very marginal.

But the overall argument that players do not or will not risk their head to win a free kick is ludicrous, they do it all the time.

 

[Pistol Night]

So Walsh tried to be dangerously tackled in which his arms were pinned, the tackler used his entire body weight to bring him to ground whereby he couldn’t protect himself again in the second quarter?

Should just stage like Nick. Less risk

 

[Bunnings]

Wow, people hate Danger, we get it, but the games cooked, that’s not a report, we are rewarding players giving up on breaking the tackle

 

[OnceWeWereKings]

From what the footage shows, even if you favoured the did it on purpose view it is very marginal.

But the overall argument that players do not or will not risk their head to win a free kick is ludicrous, they do it all the time.

I don’t think that’s the argument here.
May just yesterday demonstrating this very thing.
But making the argument that this tackle wasn’t dangerous in the way the game, and these type of incidents, are adjudicated in todays light is just wrong.
Would be like trying to argue a car running a red light and t-boning the car coming through the intersection is the fault of the car driver that’s just been hit because they didn’t brake.
Boyd got 3 last year for something similar. Unfortunately the player tackled was concussed hence the additional 2 matches.

 

[The 747]

I don’t think that’s the argument here.
May just yesterday demonstrating this very thing.
But making the argument that this tackle wasn’t dangerous in the way the game, and these type of incidents, are adjudicated in todays light is just wrong.
Would be like trying to argue a car running a red light and t-boning the car coming through the intersection is the fault of the car driver that’s just been hit because they didn’t brake.
Boyd got 3 last year for something similar. Unfortunately the player tackle was concussed hence the additional 2 matches.

Not your argument but looks like other are making it.

 

[BF Tiger]

Should just flop like Nick. Less risk

EFA

 

[My Third Nipple]

Surely a medium impact charge can be argued low impact on appeal. Walsh received a free kick and didn’t even leave the ground for a concussion assessment.

 

[Struggle]

Can guarantee if he was in brownlow form he they would have found a way for this to be a fine

He seemed to take all reasonable actions outside of letting Walsh go to protect the guy getting tackled

 

[Art Vandelay_]

 

[Ambrosia]

Walsh did nothing of the sort. His body landed on the ball. If you know anything about momentum, you'd retract this.

Thought it was also knees digging into the turf

 

[Ambrosia]

The current guidelines from the AFL is Dangerfield should let go or not pin the arm which just isn’t football imo

We’re slowly progressing to stand up tackles and the game changing forever where any lunging tackle is dangerous

 

[Pistol Night]

EFA

Cheers mate. A Richmond supporters being my editor will improve my rational posting

 

[Art Vandelay_]

The current guidelines from the AFL is Dangerfield should let go or not pin the arm which just isn’t football imo

We’re slowly progressing to stand up tackles and the game changing forever where any lunging tackle is dangerous

We're slowly moving towards touch footy with everyone having tags around their waist.

 

[BF Tiger]

Cheers mate. A Richmond supporters being my editor will improve my rational posting

Wasn’t my intention but we’ll all benefit from the positive change.

 

[Pistol Night]

Danger could of tried to stop abruptly and ruptured an ACL or let Walsh run off uncontested. Both options would please the coach immensely

 

[KnaveyBlue]

For a guy who supposedly rammed his own head into the turf, he sure looked shocked afterwards that it had happened.

Wasn't a dangerous tackle though. Just unfortunate that Walsh's knees dug into the turf which pitched him forward.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Danger could of tried to stop abruptly and ruptured an ACL or let Walsh run off uncontested. Both options would please the coach immensely

AFL HQ, and the rules committee have ****ed with our game for too long.
Unrecognisable to what we all fell in love watching.