Pick 1 2023 Trade value - What would it take?

[big_e]

It beggers belief that it creates so much angst.

It's just cheap trolling. As the rules of this board say, there is a place for those names (and it mentions some for other clubs, too) - but this board is not it.

 

[Retiredbattler]

Today I learned that WCE fans really over-rate McGovern and Barrass.

McGovern is a and he is one of my favourite players in the AFL. I rate him as probably the best defender when fit. Reads the ball well which makes him one of the best intercept marks in the game.

If someone can show me where I said anything wrong or outrageous that would be good. I said he’ll be 32 next season. I don’t think I actually said anything else at all about him.

 

[Retiredbattler]

You can stand by anything you want, it doesn't make it any less wrong.

You're trying to claim North's 'spine' is better than it's being made out and you've put 2 question marks on lines because you don't even have the players to begin with.

It's lunacy.

Ziebell, McKay, Lougue leave holes which can’t be helped.

Sheezel, Thomas, Luke McDonald. Would be fine to do the job where the question marks would be.

Same as Zurharr, George, Thomas down forward where I had question marks.

I was pointing out that we will get the best key defender in the draft and one of the best forwards in the draft.

Done that to make my case how we’re not at panic stations and how i believe I’d like to have North list more so then WC

 

[uncleoatmeal]

Everyone that knows football

Spine is the middle part of the board. Something you learn or know about from juniors.

Well there you go. Not a commonly used vernacular around footy clubs I've played with (most midfielders just say they play in the guts).

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Today I learned that WCE fans really over-rate McGovern and Barrass.

Today I learned ??? is playing 2 of the spine positions for North Melbourne next year

 

[bzparkes]

Ziebell, McKay, Lougue leave holes which can’t be helped.

Sheezel, Thomas, Luke McDonald. Would be fine to do the job where the question marks would be.

Same as Zurharr, George, Thomas down forward where I had question marks.

I was pointing out that we will get the best key defender in the draft and one of the best forwards in the draft.

Done that to make my case how we’re not at panic stations and how i believe I’d like to have North list more so then WC

Not being panic stations is one thing.

Quoting 3 players and 2 questions marks as being preferable over WCE's spine is another, when Larkey's the only one who'd get a gig over any WCE player in our spine currently.

You can't used undrafted players in the teens to attempt to prove a point.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Not being panic stations is one thing.

Quoting 3 players and 2 questions marks as being preferable over WCE's spine is another, when Larkey's the only one who'd get a gig over any WCE player in our spine currently.

You can't used undrafted players in the teens to attempt to prove a point.

Your football knowledge is what id call weak

Its clear as mud

??? > McGovern

 

[Retiredbattler]

Today I learnt that North fans are delusional.



Oh wait, I knew that already.

Today you learnt what what the term spine means in football*

With you learning that (me explaining and teaching you) that now means every single person who follows AFL knows what a spine is.

Because you were the only one who didn’t.

 

[bzparkes]

Today you learnt what what the term spine means in football*

With you learning that (me explaining and teaching you) that now means every single person who follows AFL knows what a spine is.

Because you were the only one who didn’t.

WTF are you talking about?

 

[Big_Birdy]

Lol - you realises every player in norths spine would be in WC starting line up yeah….? Nothing you can say will convince me otherwise.

So I find you having a crack at North’s spine one of the funniest attempts of a potshot (which is what I imagine you were trying to do with your humours post )

North spine:

???? - Best tall defender in draft.
Corr
LDU
???? - Best or 2nd best tall forward in draft.
Larkey

^ WC would have them players (north’s spine) without thinking twice. So the spine is defiantly not at panic stations by any means.

I don’t think I’ve spoken out of school so far with what I’ve said?? If so let me know.

You’ll probably try and say how Corr is no good when he had a better season then both Barrass & Rotham and the stats back that up. Barrass can’t even average a single tackle a game playing in the backline.

Forgot to mention at least our spine has an All Australian in it from last year…..

You naming your spine like it’s in better position than north’s haha? Meh debatable and if it is it wouldn’t be miles ahead lol.

And I like how you named Bailey Williams who has played 40 or so games over 5 years as someone to build your club around.

Also named Darling who WC wanted to trade away this year and who will be 32 next season who’s only got a year or so in him.

I’d rather have north Melbourne lists over WC.

Bizarre comment.

All of Allen, Darling, Kelly, McGovern and Barrass would be in Norths best 22. Williams would be your best ruck too.

 

[amazingjoshy]

Today I learned that WCE fans really over-rate McGovern and Barrass.

Yep they're no match for ??? and ??? and also Aidan Corr

 

[amazingjoshy]

McGovern is a and he is one of my favourite players in the AFL. I rate him as probably the best defender when fit. Reads the ball well which makes him one of the best intercept marks in the game.

If someone can show me where I said anything wrong or outrageous that would be good. I said he’ll be 32 next season. I don’t think I actually said anything else at all about him.

You rated question marks better than actual players

It's already been pointed out

 

[Sphynx]

Well this is clearly the award for dumbest post today...

I'll give you Larkey but who is "????" replacing?

Here's WCE's spine:

Barrass
McGovern
Kelly
Maric
Allen


The only one being replaced with North player in that lineup is Maric for Larkey in the forwardline.

You're either the world's biggest troll, or utterly delusional, to suggest those other players(which includes 'best tall defender in draft', LMFAO) is replacing any of the above.

Please drug test yourself before posting such utter tripe.

It’s a bit of a pointless pissing contest.

The Barrass/McGovern combo is one of the better ones in the league, regardless comparing it to us.

Key defenders are clearly our weak point, but Logue is an excellent one and will be back mid year. I expect us to take 1 in the draft at the 3rd pick wherever that lands.

I don’t think either of us has a second key forward of any note behind either Allen or Larkey, raising Maric at this point is clutching at straws.

North have 4-5 fairly high end medium prospects though, probably the best group of young “general” forwards in the league, which is the way the game is going anyway.

If we draft Duursma we will have the two dominant goal kickers in Victorian junior footy of the last 2-3 years in Sheezel and Duursma, they kicked over 100 goals between them in their top age year, operating in the front half. Brayden George is arguably as talented as both of them also and will play out of the goal square next year. Curtis and Ford were both dominant mediums at u18 levels and have shown good signs developing at the level. Then there’s Zurhaar…

We have plenty of firepower in that group to kick winning scores in the future.

 

[bzparkes]

It’s a bit of a pointless pissing contest.

The Barrass/McGovern combo is one of the better ones in the league, regardless comparing it to us.

I don’t think anyone has a second key forward of any note behind either Allen or Larkey, raising Maric at this point is clutching at straws.

North have 4-5 fairly high end medium prospects though, probably the best group of young “general” forwards in the league, which is the way the game is going anyway.

If we draft Duursma we will have the two dominant goal kickers in Victorian junior footy of the last 2-3 years in Sheezel and Duursma operating in the front half. Brayden George is arguably as talented as both of them also and will play out of the goal square next year.

This is a fair point.

Probably should've swapped out Maric for Darling anyway.

Now if the point was "In 2 years time" or along those lines, it'd be potentially worthy of a discussion.

Putting in question marks and then saying WCE would pick that spine over their current one is a bold assumption, to say the least.

 

[Sphynx]

This is a fair point.

Probably should've swapped out Maric for Darling anyway.

Now if the point was "In 2 years time" or along those lines, it'd be potentially worthy of a discussion.

Putting in question marks and then saying WCE would pick that spine over their current one is a bold assumption, to say the least.

I don’t think they would no.

But next year is largely irrelevant to both sides, just as spitting out McGovern and Darling in these sorts of discussions.

If they were in either side, it doesn’t matter, they won’t be around for either sides next finals appearance

 

[Obeanie1]

Lol - you realises every player in norths spine would be in WC starting line up yeah….? Nothing you can say will convince me otherwise.

So I find you having a crack at North’s spine one of the funniest attempts of a potshot (which is what I imagine you were trying to do with your humours post )

North spine:

???? - Best tall defender in draft.
Corr
LDU
???? - Best or 2nd best tall forward in draft.
Larkey

^ WC would have them players (north’s spine) without thinking twice. So the spine is defiantly not at panic stations by any means.

I don’t think I’ve spoken out of school so far with what I’ve said?? If so let me know.

You’ll probably try and say how Corr is no good when he had a better season then both Barrass & Rotham and the stats back that up. Barrass can’t even average a single tackle a game playing in the backline.

Forgot to mention at least our spine has an All Australian in it from last year…..

You naming your spine like it’s in better position than north’s haha? Meh debatable and if it is it wouldn’t be miles ahead lol.

And I like how you named Bailey Williams who has played 40 or so games over 5 years as someone to build your club around.

Also named Darling who WC wanted to trade away this year and who will be 32 next season who’s only got a year or so in him.

I’d rather have north Melbourne lists over WC.

So the question was list Norths spine including a ruck. Not a mid.

What is the best goal to goal line of talls do North have for 2024.

FB ?
CHB Corr - hmmmm
Ruck ?
CHF ?
FF Larkey - elite.

Lots of holes to fill there. And quality picks will be needed to draft quality talls..........ahead of more midfielders. That was the discussion.

 

[danster168]

I appreciate the level-headed response.

I think we can't go wrong with either Reid or McKercher but Reid fills our biggest need and happens to be the best player in the draft. If we were to give that up, we should be getting more than what we're giving up but that should be in quality as much as quantity. As I've mentioned above, if we give up Reid, we should be getting McKercher and Curtin. How that works is up for discussion but that would be the target ìf I'm West Coast.

Being able to bring in a bunch of WA guys lower in the order is nice but they're going to be the kind of players that play important roles in the side but not necessarily be the core of the side. We need to focus on the core first.

'appears to be' the best player in the draft.

The odds of him actually being the best is probably about 20%. History tells us this.

 

[RanaNaved]

Hearing WC would trade pick 1 if they were certain that ???? and ???? would be available to them

 

[TerryFilk]

Today I learned that WCE fans really over-rate McGovern and Barrass.

Barrass is undoubtedly one of the best key defenders in the competition, McGovern at his peak was unbelievable, nowadays he’s still good but just can’t get on the park.

Both of them would very comfortably still be your best tall defender lol. Barrass would be in your top 3-5 players with ease too.

 

[Big_Birdy]

Hearing WC would trade pick 1 if they were certain that ??? and ??? would be available to them

Gosh I hope not. ??? Uncle has told me he doesn’t want to travel interstate.

 

[chaddy22]

curtin (top 4 pick), edwards, tholsthrup, collard, all top 20 wa types

They might be the top 20 w.a. players in the draft but we are talking about the actual best top 20 players in the draft.
i think Cal Twomey know a bit more then you and me.
Twomeys september rankings are Curtin (6), Hardeman (17), tholstrup (19), Collard (24) and Edwards (27).
If you trade away pick one to get Curtin you are in deep trouble we will became a North Melbourne clone.
No one on the west coast board talk about Curtin unless we get pick two and three and after Mckercher.Most want Mckercher and Dursma if we get two and three.As for the others Only Collard gets a mention.
If you want Pick one maybe we can just organize to swap all our picks you can have Reid at pick one and we can have Mckercher at two and Dursma at three and with our picks 15,17,18 we can pick best available including w.a. types.

 

[The Nostradamus]

They might be the top 20 w.a. players in the draft but we are talking about the actual best top 20 players in the draft.
i think Cal Twomey know a bit more then you and me.
Twomeys september rankings are Curtin (6), Hardeman (17), tholstrup (19), Collard (24) and Edwards (27).
If you trade away pick one to get Curtin you are in deep trouble we will became a North Melbourne clone.
No one on the west coast board talk about Curtin unless we get pick two or three and after Mckercher and most want Dursma if we get two and three.As for the others Only Collard gets a mention.
If you want Pick one maybe we can just organize to swap all our picks you can havve Reid at pick one and we can have Mckercher at two and dursma at three and with our pick 15,17,18 we can pick best available including w.a. types.

They’re top 20 in the draft
Cal loves vic bias

 

[RanaNaved]

Haven't been on the Eagles board for a while, but it's puzzles me that they don't seem to rate Curtln. Might be a bit of an echo chamber thing

 

[Corkintheocean]

Never stated that so I don’t know why you’re saying that for…..

I just dumbed it down for you. Don’t know how to make it clearer.

I said,

North spine is better than what you thought and were making it out to be. I stand by that.

I found it funny you named a bloke who’s played 40 games over 5 years to build your club around I stand by that.

North list is far better then WC list. I stand by that.

You have an aging list. I stand by that.

Corr Had a batter season then Barrass & Rothman. I stand by that.

 

[Caligo]

Only way I see it getting done is 2 and getting 8 off Geelong but I dont see the incentive for Geelong to move down that far, not in this drafternoon

I think Sanders is likely to be available at 8. He is a perfect model of what Geelong need. Unless he is taken before their pick I can't imagine them offloading 8.