Analysis Pick Mitch Harvey now, not in 2017!!

[El_Scorcho]

I would like to see Harvey get a run but it has to be earned after showing some promise. Has he shown much upside this year? he played a couple of pre season games and didn't do a lot there when given the opportunity. I don't think he will make the grade sorry to say.he has been around a couple of years now.Like Butcher it might be time to say bye bye?No doubt he is still contracted for next year.

I'd say i'm sorry to single you out but i'm not. You're not the only one who has come out with this absolute moronic bullshit recently though.

Do you actually watch football or do you just really like posting about football on forums so you come up with your best approximation of what someone who watches football might say and just wing it?

Mitch Harvey is currently a 19 year old key position forward, who we spent a 2nd round draft pick on, who is currently our leading goalkicker at reserves level, and who has played a lot in the ruck during his development.

I can't believe I actually have to type this out because it's something a baby who hasn't yet developed speech would understand clearly, but key position forward is a position where it takes a long time for people to come good, unless they have champion talent. About 5 key forwards in the league have genuine champion talent, and a few of those took years to actually realise it.

Apparently in Dalphonso's magical fantasy world, if a key forward isn't a superstar by the time he's out of his teens, we should be delisting him. This might be the individual dumbest thing I have read on the issue of key forward selection. People wanting to delist Butcher at 23 was laughably premature. Wanting to delist Harvey at 19, barring some sort of off field problem, would be the single stupidest list move in the history of the AFL, and we once renewed Matthew Westhoff's contract for 2 years.

This isn't a matter of "hey we all have opinions and this is yours and I have mine". This is just one of the dumbest things that has ever been posted on the Port board.

 

[Hong-Kong Phooey]

What's the bet Harvey will be named next week and then we'll get to the game and... sub. lol

cant wait for this crazy sub rule to vanish forever

 

[Hong-Kong Phooey]

I'd say i'm sorry to single you out but i'm not. You're not the only one who has come out with this absolute moronic bullshit recently though.

Do you actually watch football or do you just really like posting about football on forums so you come up with your best approximation of what someone who watches football might say and just wing it?

Mitch Harvey is currently a 19 year old key position forward, who we spent a 2nd round draft pick on, who is currently our leading goalkicker at reserves level, and who has played a lot in the ruck during his development.

I can't believe I actually have to type this out because it's something a baby who hasn't yet developed speech would understand clearly, but key position forward is a position where it takes a long time for people to come good, unless they have champion talent. About 5 key forwards in the league have genuine champion talent, and a few of those took years to actually realise it.

Apparently in Dalphonso's magical fantasy world, if a key forward isn't a superstar by the time he's out of his teens, we should be delisting him. This might be the individual dumbest thing I have read on the issue of key forward selection. People wanting to delist Butcher at 23 was laughably premature. Wanting to delist Harvey at 19, barring some sort of off field problem, would be the single stupidest list move in the history of the AFL, and we once renewed Matthew Westhoff's contract for 2 years.

This isn't a matter of "hey we all have opinions and this is yours and I have mine". This is just one of the dumbest things that has ever been posted on the Port board.

agree with all except the butcher part. At 23 you should be showing something.

 

[BornPort]

I have no idea what politics REH is talking about but there are threads on Lobbe and Schulz (and Butcher) on page 1 of this thread. If Harvey plays, it will be in front of one of those.

So what?

I find it concerning if the coaches are worried about offending poorly performing players.

 

[El_Scorcho]

agree with all except the butcher part. At 23 you should be showing something.

I agree, but by 23 a player of Butcher's talent should have played 60-80 games. He was showing enough to keep his place in the team in both this year and last and should have been persisted with.

 

[Schulzenfest]

We'll see soon enough I suppose.

Obviously conflicting messages.

I will say though that not once, not even for a micro second have I thought of Harvey as anything even close to a Brown type. Aggressive? Really? I must be watching different games. He's big, he's very, very slow, really slow, has a nice kick, average to poor contested mark, fairly safe hands when he has a little space, doesn't impose on games at any level.

Doesn't look close to AFL standard from where I sit but would be happy to be wrong.

I agree to be honest. He's a big lad with a decent footy brain and a nice set shot, but there's not much more to him than that. Seems like the sort of guy who will dominate state leagues once he's developed but doesn't have that little bit extra required to make it at AFL level. Shaw and Howard are both better prospects IMO, they have the athleticism to play at AFL level which Harvey lacks.

Still, he's the only developing KPF we have in any sort of form and the season is shot, so **** it, why not play him?

 

[ploppy]

Butcher has never shown enough..we really gave him every chance way longer than we should have. I would never have drafted him after seeing his kicking style...but we tried..net result 0

 

[Dylan8]

Butcher has never shown enough..we really gave him every chance way longer than we should have. I would never have drafted him after seeing his kicking style...but we tried..net result 0

Clunkin marks and kicking goals in 2011 was more than most 19 year old KPFs will have ever shown in the AFL. Even as recent as this year he put in a cracking pre season and started a half decent shift against Fremantle, where he was on par with Schulz and Westhoff at least. But dropping him for Jarrad ****ing Redden is really what I'd call giving him 'every chance'.

 

[Power Raid]

Time to move on from Harvey, Shaw and Butcher.

We have destroyed any hope of them becoming AFL footballers with little or no game time.

 

[RossFC]

Time to move on from Harvey, Shaw and Butcher.

We have destroyed any hope of them becoming AFL footballers with little or no game time.

Harvey is only 19 and Shaw is 21 and is always injured. Moving on would be a very premature call.

 

[El_Scorcho]

Time to move on from Harvey, Shaw and Butcher.

We have destroyed any hope of them becoming AFL footballers with little or no game time.

Harvey is 19 years old.

 

[Zakk Wylde]

Time to move on from Harvey, Shaw and Butcher.

We have destroyed any hope of them becoming AFL footballers with little or no game time.

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[Black 18]

Absolute garbage he never would of been drafted if that was the case

Harvey was pick 45, he was a 'roll the dice', hopeful pick at best. For comparison Matthew Westhoff went at pick 33 six years earlier. Ben Brown from North Melbourne went pick 47 the same year we took Harvey at 45.

After the first round you're 'lucky dipping', particularly with big guys.

Plenty of guys that are drafted haven't a lot going for them at draft time, especially later picks. Clubs hope they may be able to find something, most times they don't.

What aspects of his game have I got wrong? What am I not seeing that you can? Time by itself doesn't mean improvement.

I've been told they don't think he will make it, from what I have seen I would tend to agree. Happens more often than not in elite sport.

Just because we drafted him, or anybody else for that matter, doesn't mean they'll make it. It would be amazing if they all did but more don't than do.

I hope Harvey makes it, like I do every single player we draft. However, I don't feel the need to say what I don't see. Right now Mitch Harvey has more going against him than for him in relation to making it as an AFL key position player.

 

[Forzaport]

Matthew Westhoff's draft position should never be factored in. It was a Choco wet dream to have 2 Justin Westhoffs. Matthew was rated to go far later in the draft, if at all, and we so horribly jumped the gun.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

By politics do you mean PR? Like playing him would signal that we have thrown in the towel. That's how I interpreted it.

Here is a example of footy politics. When Mason Shaw strung about 6 really good games for South Adelaide's B grade in 2013 by late May he should have been picked in the A grade. But Ron Fuller was under pressure to keep playing Brett Eddy because South had gone out recruited him and were paying him big $$$ by Sanfl standards. The "club" pressure made it hard for Fuller to drop Eddy and play Shaw with Wundke as South's two KPF's. It eventually happened but footy politics delayed Shaw playing in the A grade.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Harvey was pick 45, he was a 'roll the dice', hopeful pick at best. For comparison Matthew Westhoff went at pick 33 six years earlier. Ben Brown from North Melbourne went pick 47 the same year we took Harvey at 45.

After the first round you're 'lucky dipping', particularly with big guys.

Plenty of guys that are drafted haven't a lot going for them at draft time, especially later picks. Clubs hope they may be able to find something, most times they don't.

What aspects of his game have I got wrong? What am I not seeing that you can? Time by itself doesn't mean improvement.

I've been told they don't think he will make it, from what I have seen I would tend to agree. Happens more often than not in elite sport.

Just because we drafted him, or anybody else for that matter, doesn't mean they'll make it. It would be amazing if they all did but more don't than do.

I hope Harvey makes it, like I do every single player we draft. However, I don't feel the need to say what I don't see. Right now Mitch Harvey has more going against him than for him in relation to making it as an AFL key position player.

Pick 75+ or a rookie pick is a roll of the dice pick. Pick 45 is middle of Round 3 in an 18 team draft. A 3rd rounder isnt a roll of the dice pick. You have to nail your first 3 round picks if you are going to have sustained success.

 

[edgie]

Butcher has never shown enough..we really gave him every chance way longer than we should have. I would never have drafted him after seeing his kicking style...but we tried..net result 0

You're right, he shanked a hell out of a lot of kicks in Power colours during the pre-season and against Freo. How he kicked goals is beyond me.

Kicked ****ing woefully too last year after being dropped, couldn't hit the side of a barn door. It's a wonder he was the leagues best goal kicker at the halfway point.

Butcher's bad kicking is actually becoming so overrated it is underrated.

 

[1954]

I would love to be as sure of winning cross lotto as I am that Mitchell Harvey has at least 2 more years on the Power list before the club would even consider giving him the chop.
6' 5" 19 year olds who can hold their own against men in the snafl, plus kick set shots from outside the 50 don't exactly grow on trees.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

If as suggested we have to give up 2 first round picks for Dixon, maybe 1 this year and 1 future pick given the trading future picks was rubber stamped the other day, we need to see what Harvey has got before we give that much away. How dopey we would look if we gave away 2 first round picks before Harvey has debuted and then over the next 2 or 3 years, Harvey' s output is bigger than Dixon's.

 

[simmo_bc]

Mitch Harvey is currently a 19 year old key position forward, who we spent a 2nd round draft pick on, who is currently our leading goalkicker at reserves level, and who has played a lot in the ruck during his development.

I haven't seen a heap of Harvey but when I have, he hasn't really stood out for me - do you think he can make it? which player in the AFL would be a good example of Harvey as a player? from what I have seen, he appears to have very 'non AFL' athleticism.

Contrary to the masses, I'm definitely not sold on the merits of delisting Butcher. In fact, I can see him as one of those players (Ian Perrie from Adelaide, Dean Wallis from Sydney) that has a 10 year career but less than 100 games. His athleticism and competitiveness is pretty good and his pack marking is often over looked and x1,000 times better than our current #1 ruckman.

No way do we move on Mason Shaw, would have played this year barring injuries.

 

[simmo_bc]

Butcher's bad kicking is actually becoming so overrated it is underrated.

haha!

 

[El_Scorcho]

I haven't seen a heap of Harvey but when I have, he hasn't really stood out for me - do you think he can make it? which player in the AFL would be a good example of Harvey as a player? from what I have seen, he appears to have very 'non AFL' athleticism.

Contrary to the masses, I'm definitely not sold on the merits of delisting Butcher. In fact, I can see him as one of those players (Ian Perrie from Adelaide, Dean Wallis from Sydney) that has a 10 year career but less than 100 games. His athleticism and competitiveness is pretty good and his pack marking is often over looked and x1,000 times better than our current #1 ruckman.

No way do we move on Mason Shaw, would have played this year barring injuries.

I see Harvey as a Ben Brown type. Big bodied, strong hands and a long straight kick.

I absolutely think there is a role for him.

I'd also hang on to Butcher as tall depth at both ends, but I won't be shocked if he's gone.

 

[simmo_bc]

I see Harvey as a Ben Brown type. Big bodied, strong hands and a long straight kick.

I absolutely think there is a role for him.

I'd also hang on to Butcher as tall depth at both ends, but I won't be shocked if he's gone.

I like Ben Brown as a player, would be nice!

yeah we can't throw the baby out with the bath water regading Butcher, our KPP depth is quite the concern and Shaw's non development would be most disappointing for Ken and his crew. Add to that the likely case that Schulz walks and the long shot of getting Dixon, we can't be making too many rash decisions....

 

[charcolechaddy]

Time to move on from Harvey, Shaw and Butcher.

We have destroyed any hope of them becoming AFL footballers with little or no game time.

shaw has Benin injured Harvey is still being developed(look at his weekend stats against the worst SANFL side ever) and Butch simply can't hit a mozzie with a atom bomb.

We are going good but this is not the clubs fault.

 

[El_Scorcho]

shaw has Benin injured Harvey is still being developed(look at his weekend stats against the worst SANFL side ever) and Butch simply can't hit a mozzie with a atom bomb.

We are going good but this is not the clubs fault.

It's totally the club's fault that we don't have a key forward who has played 25 AFL games who isn't 28+

100% the club's fault.