List Mgmt. 'Play hardball': Mitch Robinson urges the Suns to re-draft Jack Martin

[PP34]

If I wanted to spend over 600k on a player from gold coast I'd go and pay a fair price (compared to the contract we are offering) early in trade week and then win 2 of the next 3 flags with that player as a major factor including a bnf

Oh look another thread where Richmond fans start telling everyone else how good they are.

If you think Jack Martin is comparable to what Dion Prestia was when he left the Suns then you have rocks for brains.

 

[Kreuuuzeurns]

Ollie Wines is a much better player but SOS told him to gagfd.

Martin for free in a position of need >>> Wines for 2 firsts minimum in a stacked position.

 

[PP34]

Ollie Wines is a much better player but SOS told him to gagfd.

Do you just shit post in every thread about Carlton?

How on earth would Carlton have the trade currency to trade for the contracted captain of Port Adelaide?

 

[PP34]

The bloke is just your classic flashy indigenous player with zero consistency.

If Carlton fans think he is some sort of silver bullet for their forward line issues then they are in for a big shock.

Either way for free who wouldn’t do it

I don’t think any Carlton fan thinks he’s the silver bullet.

It’s simple really. He’s a mature age, has shown he can play at the AFL level and with what he showed as a junior there’s an argument that perhaps the Suns didn’t get the best out of him. He wouldn’t be the first Suns player to improve at another club.

 

[Socrates2]

Do you just shit post in every thread about Carlton?

How on earth would Carlton have the trade currency to trade for the contracted captain of Port Adelaide?

Leave it out champ,I'm sick of you whinging whining Carlton sooks.
My point that Wines was rejected by SOS and that he is a much better player than Jack Martin.Those are facts mate.If you don't like facts go back to the Carlton board.
If you get Jack Martin for nothing it's a good deal, but you are still paying too much for a guy who turns it over.That's the facts mate. Another fact is that SOS bypassed Sydney Stack and Marlion Pickett and they are both better than Martin.
Stop replying to my posts unless you have a legitamate point please.

 

[PP34]

Leave it out champ,I'm sick of you whinging whining Carlton sooks.
My point that Wines was rejected by SOS and that he is a much better player than Jack Martin.Those are facts mate.If you don't like facts go back to the Carlton board.
If you get Jack Martin for nothing it's a good deal, but you are still paying too much for a guy who turns it over.That's the facts mate. Another fact is that SOS bypassed Sydney Stack and Marlion Pickett and they are both better than Martin.
Stop replying to my posts unless you have a legitamate point please.

I made my point. You ignored the question. Again explain to me how Carlton could have realistically traded for Ollie Wines. I’m all ears.

Also you want to talk about facts, both Port and Wines’ manager denied a trade was ever explored. But you continue with your shitposting.

I’m not even going to bother with the rest of your post which is nothing more than a Richmond wankfest.

 

[Elmer_Hauser]

Some of the mental and reality bending gymnastics by Carlton supporters in this thread are astounding. All clubs have their one eyes players but this goes beyond even the numbnuts who try to package up 4 uncontacted fringe players for pick 1 because it's "a 4 for 1 good deal that gives the team depth".

The bitterness is strong in this one.

Footscray and Essendon offered more (financally) to Martin at The trade period than Carlton, but he had his heart set on Carlton, and playing with cousin SPS.

Putting a large bounty on his head via PSD will ensure he gets to Carlton, it's a question of semantics when it comes to his salary, you keep twisting facts to suit your Carlton hating agenda.

At the end of the day, Carlton will get a player with A Grade talent for free in the PSD, and us Blue Baggers couldn't be happier. Enjoying the salty meltdowns from people like you though. Most satisfying !!!

 

[LoungeLizard]

I made my point. You ignored the question. Again explain to me how Carlton could have realistically traded for Ollie Wines. I’m all ears.

Also you want to talk about facts, both Port and Wines’ manager denied a trade was ever explored. But you continue with your shitposting.

I’m not even going to bother with the rest of your post which is nothing more than a Richmond wankfest.

Pick 9 and a future 1st would probably have got it done>

 

[Robertio]

Some of the mental and reality bending gymnastics by Carlton supporters in this thread are astounding. All clubs have their one eyes players but this goes beyond even the numbnuts who try to package up 4 uncontacted fringe players for pick 1 because it's "a 4 for 1 good deal that gives the team depth".

Don't let the truth get in the way of a good story mate.

 

[Socrates2]

I made my point. You ignored the question. Again explain to me how Carlton could have realistically traded for Ollie Wines. I’m all ears.

I’m not even going to bother with the rest of your post which is nothing more than a Richmond wankfest.

Maybe Carlton could of offered a player or future pick, the point is they didn't even try to get a deal. It is incumbant on a good list manager to explore every option.To put a red line through Wines, Papley, Butler and Ellis- who all wanted to go to the club- is not best management imo.That's what Cain Liddel was thinking as well according to reports.

 

[PP34]

Pick 9 and a future 1st would probably have got it done>

What are you basing that on?

And as I said it was denied both by Wines camp and the Power. It simply wasn’t a possibility.

But trust the Bigfooty experts to be criticising Carlton for something simply not possible.

 

[Toump Ass]

Most of that rant could be used to describe Melbourne over the past 15 years, should they fold too?

Name one player Melbourne kept in the last 15 years who wanted out?

And when was the last time Melbourne were so bad they needed the AFL to give us academy/zone concessions? Extra picks over multiple drafts..? Even when we deliberately lost games we still managed more than 3 wins.

Gold Coast are a whole new level of crap and unlike Melbourne they don't have history or a supporter base so no, Melbourne shouldn't fold.

The Gold Coast are a relatively new club in a developing AFL region. Obstacles like this are natural.

If you want to talk about pile of shit clubs, look no further than the dumpster fire you support. Melbourne are an absolute rabble: 0 flags for 50 years, tanking sagas, miserable culture, constant begging for the AFL to help them.

...and despite the Doggies winning their first flag after 60+ years they're still receiving more handouts than Melbourne.

Queensland already had a struggling club. The AFL probably should have given Tassie a license instead.

 

[theyellowsash]

Oh look another thread where Richmond fans start telling everyone else how good they are.

If you think Jack Martin is comparable to what Dion Prestia was when he left the Suns then you have rocks for brains.

Then why is Carlton paying him about the same. Does the club have rocks for brains?

 

[PP34]

Maybe Carlton could of offered a player or future pick, the point is they didn't even try to get a deal. It is incumbant on a good list manager to explore every option.To put a red line through Wines, Papley, Butler and Ellis- who all wanted to go to the club- is not best management imo.That's what Cain Liddel was thinking as well according to reports.

Where’s your source for Silvagni having the chance to get Wines and saying no?

Either provide some proof or quit talking out of your arse.

 

[LoungeLizard]

What are you basing that on?

And as I said it was denied both by Wines camp and the Power. It simply wasn’t a possibility.

But trust the Bigfooty experts to be criticising Carlton for something simply not possible.

I don't know the ins and outs, i was just replying what would get him.

If you did have a chance, that's about what you needed and you would still get Martin.

 

[PP34]

Then why is Carlton paying him about the same. Does the club have rocks for brains?

As I said they’re taking a gamble. They have cap space to use.

I’d also argue that Richmond got Prestia for a pretty good financial cost. If he had stayed on the park more at the Suns he probably would have cost more contractually.

 

[Socrates2]

Where’s your source for Silvagni having the chance to get Wines and saying no?

Either provide some proof or quit talking out of your arse.

Apparantly Wine's preference was 1.Carlton 2.Essendon.

AFL trade: Ollie Wines' camp contacted Essendon during Trade Period

www.google.com

 

[PP34]

I don't know the ins and outs, i was just replying what would get him.

If you did have a chance, that's about what you needed and you would still get Martin.

When both the club and Wines’ management deny a trade ever being even looked at, I think it’s a pretty obvious indication it wasn’t a chance.

Also when they’re being so certain it wasn’t being asked for how on earth would Carlton be able to attain a content club captain for the price you mentioned.

How many club captains have been traded over the years? How many for the price you mentioned?

Having years to run on a deal and being captain. Carlton would have had to have paid massive overs.

 

[Robertio]

Ollie Wines is a much better player but SOS told him to gagfd.

Did he?

 

[LoungeLizard]

When both the club and Wines’ management deny a trade ever being even looked at, I think it’s a pretty obvious indication it wasn’t a chance.

Also when they’re being so certain it wasn’t being asked for how on earth would Carlton be able to attain a content club captain for the price you mentioned.

How many club captains have been traded over the years? How many for the price you mentioned?

Having years to run on a deal and being captain. Carlton would have had to have paid massive overs.

I think Griffen cost less

 

[PP34]

Apparantly Wine's preference was 1.Carlton 2.Essendon.

AFL trade: Ollie Wines' camp contacted Essendon during Trade Period

www.google.com

Thanks for proving my point. He wasn’t available. It says so in the very article you linked.

 

[Robertio]

Maybe Carlton could of offered a player or future pick, the point is they didn't even try to get a deal. It is incumbant on a good list manager to explore every option.To put a red line through Wines, Papley, Butler and Ellis- who all wanted to go to the club- is not best management imo.That's what Cain Liddel was thinking as well according to reports.

Wrong again.

 

[Robertio]

Then why is Carlton paying him about the same. Does the club have rocks for brains?

Time will tell.

 

[PP34]

I think Griffen cost less

Griffin and pick 6 cost Tom Boyd who at the time was seen as this future superstar key forward. He was also 3 years older than Wines currently is.

The Dogs obviously were happy to move him on too once Boyd was put on the table.

When a club says their captain isn’t available they’re not just going to then relent and trade him for a few picks. It’s their club captain. Wines is a good player and losing him would leave a fairly big void.

 

[LoungeLizard]

Griffin and pick 6 cost Tom Boyd who at the time was seen as this future superstar key forward. He was also 3 years older than Wines currently is.

The Dogs obviously were happy to move him on too once Boyd was put on the table.

When a club says their captain isn’t available they’re not just going to then relent and trade him for a few picks. It’s their club captain. Wines is a good player and losing him would leave a fairly big void.

I am just answering the questions you ask, i have no idea if he was available, i don't think you do either.

Griffen + pick 6 is a big price to pay.