Opinion Player list management and game plan 2019

[Macca19]

yeah but at the same time you have a bloke like Walsh who would be pick 1 75% of drafts imo going at pick 2 hell some pundits have him going 3.

There is the slightest discount there

like if we had pick 1 JL 100%. but we're trading up to a top 3 pick (well talking about it)
if we finish up with Walsh I'm still bloody 100% satisfied

I can't see how it happens, but if we end up with a pick that high and end up with Walsh then its pants down lap around the table time. The perfect midfielder for us right now.

 

[Fade to Gray]

lol at all of this.

lol at the idea Gold Coast would entertain giving up pick 2 for our fourth choice KPD. Even bigger lol at the idea that we'd knock it back. Just lol.

I agree, but I would have also lol'd at Weller being worth Pick 2.

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[tangolikelama]

I'm not for trading Polec but if Gaff is going to stay at the Eagles i'm assuming we could get overs?

 

[FallingLiefs]

really though, what assets do we have to facilitate a trade for high picks. 1 of our best 22 backline, Pittard on a heavy contract, not much else that we would even consider moving on as they only just got here, are aged 20-25 A Graders like SPP, Wines, Wingard or not worth much.

Polec too important IMO and would have to be a package deal which is always of concern to depth.

we're pretty much tied up for anything worth more than pick 7-8 unless someone declares they want to leave

 

[OneGreatClub]

I'm not for trading Polec but if Gaff is going to stay at the Eagles i'm assuming we could get overs?

Iff Gaff stays at Eagles they might be less likely to counter offer for Lycett although they apparently are one of the clubs with the most cap space

 

[Chrizzt]

I think lycett also had six marks and four tackles.

Given that Port doesnt have a ruckman in their twenties capable of rucking, who is a better option?

Roughead, Nicholls, Archie Smith and Campbell are options, but none of them have proven good enough to be number one rucks due to form, injuries or attitude.

I cant think of any lower leage players who could fill the role. Darcy Cameron still hasnt had a game at Sydney despite Tippett and Naismith being out for the year.

There's an exponential drop off in ruck talent. You have 4 or 5 who are genuinely elite (Gawn, Ryder, Grundy, NicNat) and maybe a couple of "mid-range" (Goldstein, Jacobs, Martin) then a massive drop off. There's very little difference between playing a "low-grade" (Sinclair, Boyd, Hickey, Longer) versus playing kids/back-up options (Vardy, Phillips, Darcy, Ceglar).

The point is that we have our A-grade option in Ryder, and - while we've left it a little later than we should have - we have replacements developing in the SANFL. Our target shouldn't be an A-grade replacement, but more a "break glass in case of emergency", which is where guys like Roughead, Nicholls, etc. fit the bill. They're not great, but they sort of don't need to be either. They just need to a) be cheap to get/keep and b) do a decent job if/when required. That spot probably stays open for 2 years on the list by which stage either Hayes or Ladhams are ready to be that A-grade option, or we aggressively trade for one.

 

[u2uabrs]

There's an exponential drop off in ruck talent. You have 4 or 5 who are genuinely elite (Gawn, Ryder, Grundy, NicNat) and maybe a couple of "mid-range" (Goldstein, Jacobs, Martin) then a massive drop off. There's very little difference between playing a "low-grade" (Sinclair, Boyd, Hickey, Longer) versus playing kids/back-up options (Vardy, Phillips, Darcy, Ceglar).

The point is that we have our A-grade option in Ryder, and - while we've left it a little later than we should have - we have replacements developing in the SANFL. Our target shouldn't be an A-grade replacement, but more a "break glass in case of emergency", which is where guys like Roughead, Nicholls, etc. fit the bill. They're not great, but they sort of don't need to be either. They just need to a) be cheap to get/keep and b) do a decent job if/when required. That spot probably stays open for 2 years on the list by which stage either Hayes or Ladhams are ready to be that A-grade option, or we aggressively trade for one.

Agree with most of your post but no love for Premiership Ruckman Nankervis? Not saying he's elite but he's surely "mid-range"

 

[FallingLiefs]

wouldn't be touching lycett. overpaying for an overrated position outside the genuine champs is a big no-no when we have someone like Hayes who has that vibe about him.

 

[Boxx]

And finished the game with only 8 touches and 1.0.
In the games where he's doubled with NicNat this year he averages 13 touches, 3.3 marks, 18 HOs and 0.5 goals a game.

He's a pretty good first ruck, but he doesn't have the tools to be a genuine forward option/second ruck - which is what he'll be if Ryder is in the team. The only person he'd edge out of our current best 22 would be Marshall - and I think we all agree Marshall needs to be in the side as often as possible for development.

That's the reason why people are against Lycett - we'd be paying pretty damn good coin for someone we'd only use if Ryder goes down with injury.

I reckon we are looking to get Lycett as a Ryder replacement more so than a 2nd ruck to him.

We need a genuine 1st ruck option for 2020 - 2022/3 until Hayes is anywhere near ready (if at all) to take over the mantle... Lycett will fill this role.

Other than Hayes, we really don’t have any other ruck options that look to be anywhere near potential AFL standards.

 

[FishingRick04]

no to Lycett, I'd go for a basic back up that has mature body

 

[Boxx]

wouldn't be touching lycett. overpaying for an overrated position outside the genuine champs is a big no-no when we have someone like Hayes who has that vibe about him.

I agree, but Hayes is is going to miss most of next year with his ACL... we need a genuine 1st on our list to succeed Paddy I reckon.

 

[philthy05]

If Hayes hadn’t done the acl I would be deadset against lycett. Now I’m undecided. Really depends on the clubs understanding of Ryder’s ability to stay on the park next year. Ryder’s form this season has been excellent when on the park.

 

[Arsene Wenger]

In my view, we need to be targeting players with leg speed who play on the outside whom also have good kicks. So the type of players i am thinking in a trade sense (not that i know these are attainable or otherwise) are (in order of preference):

- Orazio Fantasia (will never get him)
- Parfitt (ditto)
- Cockatoo (maybe)
- Shane Edwards (unlikely)
- Riley Knight (maybe)
- Shaun Burgoyne back for a season with a coaching role included..... (maybe the most realistic)??

Obv i think this the player type we should be targeting at draft time too.

 

[raman]

I think it's pointless to even speculate on whether or not we would want Lycett without first trying to at least think of a plausible reason why Lycett would want to come to us.

 

[Waspy79]

In my view, we need to be targeting players with leg speed who play on the outside whom also have good kicks. So the type of players i am thinking in a trade sense (not that i know these are attainable or otherwise) are (in order of preference):

- Orazio Fantasia (will never get him)
- Parfitt (ditto)
- Cockatoo (maybe)
- Shane Edwards (unlikely)
- Riley Knight (maybe)
- Shaun Burgoyne back for a season with a coaching role included..... (maybe the most realistic)??

Obv i think this the player type we should be targeting at draft time too.

Dahlhaus? Pretty quick and probably has a game that could be both inside and outside. I quite like him as a Boak replacement.

 

[Arsene Wenger]

Dahlhaus? Pretty quick and probably has a game that could be both inside and outside. I quite like him as a Boak replacement.

Yeh i Like him too. Not the best kick and I dont feel he is overly quick. I think he improves our side marginally.

 

[Waspy79]

Yeh i Like him too. Not the best kick and I dont feel he is overly quick. I think he improves our side marginally.

I agree he's not really in the category of player you are suggesting.

I think we will need to recruit speed through the draft.... or there is that Melbourne half back flanker whose name escapes me.

 

[Arsene Wenger]

I agree he's not really in the category of player you are suggesting.

I think we will need to recruit speed through the draft.... or there is that Melbourne half back flanker whose name escapes me.

Jayden Hunt. Yep - he is on the outer there....

 

[Ford Fairlane]

That would be Jayden 'They call me weird' Hunt to the rest of us.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-05-07/im-weird-and-i-dont-care-jayden-hunt-opens-up

Then there is the Jayden Hunt who his family and friends know, and now his social media followers are beginning to learn about – the quirky, yet respectful young man who loves golf and surfing, and is obsessed by owls and Nippy's chocolate milk.
One glance at his Instagram page – which includes images of owls, his abnormally large middle finger and a video of him wheeling his mum Jane on a trolley, while rollerblading, to a birthday lunch – highlights the quirky behaviour that has seen him develop a cult following.

 

[Schulzenfest]

That would be Jayden 'They call me weird' Hunt to the rest of us.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-05-07/im-weird-and-i-dont-care-jayden-hunt-opens-up

So he's quick, plays at half back, has long hair, provides good run but has a low football IQ, and is a weird unit? We already have that bloke on our list. He even has a stupid first name with 6 letters that starts with J.

 

[TeeKray]

Every year there is this silly speculation about the bottom team trading the #1 pick and every year it doesn't happen. Freo screwed it for everyone.

 

[The Rubber Man]

Agreed Lycett may cost a bit too much.

Roughhead is who we should be going for. 28 at the start of next season. Can be back up to ryder for 1-2 years (depending on how long ryder holds up). Then come in and out with hayes for a year or two. Then have hayes take over completely when he is about 23/24.

although a doubt thats an attractive offer for roughhead.

But really all our ruck problems would be solved if Frampton just became a mid-tier ruck, just as a stopgap between ryder and hayes. But its not looking hopeful.

 

[rumoursofwinter]

There's an exponential drop off in ruck talent. You have 4 or 5 who are genuinely elite (Gawn, Ryder, Grundy, NicNat) and maybe a couple of "mid-range" (Goldstein, Jacobs, Martin) then a massive drop off. There's very little difference between playing a "low-grade" (Sinclair, Boyd, Hickey, Longer) versus playing kids/back-up options (Vardy, Phillips, Darcy, Ceglar).

The point is that we have our A-grade option in Ryder, and - while we've left it a little later than we should have - we have replacements developing in the SANFL. Our target shouldn't be an A-grade replacement, but more a "break glass in case of emergency", which is where guys like Roughead, Nicholls, etc. fit the bill. They're not great, but they sort of don't need to be either. They just need to a) be cheap to get/keep and b) do a decent job if/when required. That spot probably stays open for 2 years on the list by which stage either Hayes or Ladhams are ready to be that A-grade option, or we aggressively trade for one.

I dont disagree with the sentiment of this post but think our need for a ruck replacement of the right age / style is dire.

We are in a premiership window and have much too much reliance on Ryder. I get the 'vibe' that Ryder's injury means he doesnt have a lot of foitball left in him.

When Ryder has missed games we havent replaced him with a ruck. Port clearly doesnt rate Frampton as being a reasonable first ruck. He never was a dominant ruck as a junior. I dont see him as a viable replacement because he hasnt been.

Ladhams is just a prospect at the moment. He has missed a lot of games with an injured knee. I dont recall him being named in the bests ever for the magpies. Its a stretch to think he might be an a grader in a couple of years.

Hayes is 19? and done an acl. He might have a lot of promise but you cant rely on him doing much at afl level in the next couole of years.

I just think that having no ruck or a c grader could cost us a flag in the next couple of years. Hopefully that doesnt happen.

 

[The Rubber Man]

Every year there is this silly speculation about the bottom team trading the #1 pick and every year it doesn't happen. Freo screwed it for everyone.

got a funny feeling it will happen this year though. Carlton are in desperate need for mature players. Cant imagine them trading pick one for multiple picks. But if someone offers them players, then maybe.

 

[Arsene Wenger]

got a funny feeling it will happen this year though. Carlton are in desperate need for mature players. Cant imagine them trading pick one for multiple picks. But if someone offers them players, then maybe.

I dont disagree with this. If Carlton are considering it, there will be no shortage of clubs trying to get it. Clearly the Crows, maybe even GC (to guarantee Lukosius), Giants and i am sure many others. So Carlton will be able to drive a hard bargain.....