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Thoughtful and balanced critique.
Has nuanced his elite abilities, plus his shortcomings, most eloquently.
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Has nuanced his elite abilities, plus his shortcomings, most eloquently.
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Theoretically the Small Fwd Depth Chart now reads:
Rioli
SPP
Richards
DBJ
Berry
McEntee
Anastopolous
Charleson
Of our 42 player list, nearly 20% in that zone. With Benny Barrett possibly still to come.
Probably the thing that worries me the most going into 2025 is that the coaches haven't realised Rozee has failed in finals and big games in the midfield for several years, and they look like they are going to commit to selecting him there. IMO he needs to be moved forward.
After watching that footage though of Berry, I'm seriously thinking he might be more of a wingman.
Rioli
SPP
Richards
DBJ
Berry
McEntee
Anastopolous
Charleson
Of our 42 player list, nearly 20% in that zone. With Benny Barrett possibly still to come.
Probably the thing that worries me the most going into 2025 is that the coaches haven't realised Rozee has failed in finals and big games in the midfield for several years, and they look like they are going to commit to selecting him there. IMO he needs to be moved forward.
After watching that footage though of Berry, I'm seriously thinking he might be more of a wingman.
McEntee and probably Charleson should come off that list within 12 months. Who knows how good Anastosopoulos might become? Would seem to have a lowish ceiling but may improve quickly with better SANFL players around him. Rioli is 29. Berry at least adds potential A-grade talent there, and if he can hit the ground running it will be fun to have him overlap with Rioli for a few years. I'm hoping we take Barrett too.
If Rozee is ever going to move out of the midfield, then for me it will be to HB.
Reckon we need a bit more midfield depth.
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This is probably my biggest concern. To get to a flag, I reckon we need more quality mids. We need a lot of things from a depth perspective, Key back, key fwd, a ruck soon, half back, wingers, but that mid space is probably the area that will make the biggest immediate impact on results for mine.
Rozee is a shit field kick for mine and that doesn't work at half back anymore given our existing balance, to me he's a player with valuable goal sense, and elite evasiveness, and should play forward.
Not sure if it’s been by circumstance or design that we routinely pick a small forward as sub. About 20% of the list being small forwards is pretty consistent with the make up of our best 23.
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What on earth has Joe Richards done to suggest he'd be ahead of DBJ on the depth chart?
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Everyone and his dog wants to move DBJ back to defence despite him not being suited to how we play now and leading our G+GA in 2024 and our GA in 2023. It's ridiculous. I swear to god people don't actually watch our games.
He's a really good forward. He's clever, composed, can bash and crash but has pretty clean hands, good vision and knows where the goals are. He'll be even better in 2025 when he's got SPP back making defenders short step and look over their shoulder.
Joe Richards might become great but 25yo small forwards who have played 9 games for 6 goals historically don't turn into quality long term AFL players. I can't immediately think of someone who fits that criteria apart from maybe Marlion Pickett who obviously might have debuted earlier if he wasn't in prison.
By needing to show that the club knows what they're doing because they traded a reigning back to back AA for 3x players that played in the VFL last season.
This was why I wanted Reid because imo the remaining mids in the draft are not as good. I wouldn't draft any mids for the remainder of this draft, I really like some of the key position stocks left so that's the way forward for me. Maybe a rookie prospect as a midfielder.
Rozee is not a shit field kick. It's perceived that way because of a certain instruction that's been given to him. Through juniors and first 2 years at Port he was one of our best kicks.
I do however think that we do have a lot of players of the "flaky" variety. My biggest concern atm is that you think we're in this to win a flag
We just need to get revenue and everything else is a bonus.No way I'm moving DBJ back. I expect we start Rioli, Richards, SPP, Berry and DBJ round 1 in the forward line. Maybe SPP/Richards play the role of Mead but all 5 have to start. If we took Berry without thinking that he'll be playing round 1 thats shocking. DBJ was our most consistent small forward.
We can hope
I don't want to move him back to defence. He was terrible there for several years. I just want him to work harder against better quality teams. Not a big ask.
As a draft watcher, do you think Charleson can develop an AFL game within the next 1-2 years?
I was a fan when we got him and more excited about what he could turn into then Tommy A or Lorenz, but he couldn’t have had a more uninspiring debut SANFL season. Injuries may have contributed but he looked bereft of any tricks to suggest he had AFL potential.
No way he should ever go back to defence. He has been good as a small forward but never a real threat to kick more than 2 in a game. I think Berry can be better than DBJ pretty quickly.
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Yeah, from what I saw I liked the look of the way he moved and kicked the footy, however didn’t feel he was a slick small forward, rather an undersized Wingman that needed to work players over to execute his ‘tricks’ as he wasn’t ‘explosive’. As other have mentioned a Taj Schofield floor, Shane Crawford ceiling.
Tommy A also looked more your blue collar small forward, work rate and pressure game rather than your classy Rioli, Papley, Green style small forward. I think Berry looks more Classy than Workman like.
I’m not disappointed in Berry the footballer or person, I am disappointed in Berry the option with what was still on the board, list profile and what we gave up to secure him. This isn’t a Josh Sinn, move two spots for a bloke touted as a top 3-5 pick 12 months ago.
We probably won’t use 45, only taking 3 Draft picks and leaving Benny for Cat B. But there is yet another Small Forward to add to our Plethora of Small Forwards in 2025.
Let's hope so. Can't afford that pick to turn out average.
I am purely basing this of u18 form but, short answer yes.
The thing is, he was a Gray pick and I am not surprised at all because watching him in u18 thats exactly what I thought. He's not quick for a small forward but he has high footy IQ and smarts, kicking is good. The issue he has is endurance and AFL fitness. Not skills with the ball.
Totally agree on Berry. The other thing about him is, he didnt have a good u17 year. So his draft stocks are purely based on his high output u18 year. So the body of work is lesser compared to most others.
We dont have 45. We have 94 which yeah either goes to Benny or we pick someone with it while Benny slips. Thats virtually the last pick in the draft so we'll know by then.
I think he had some niggles in his under 17 year didn’t he? He was AA under 16 so theres some body to go with your wine…
Don't think it was anything severe where he missed football.
In his u16 year, he played 3 games for SA u16 for 0 goals and 3 games for Murray Bushrangers u16 for 4 goals and 6 games for Wangaratta thirds for 8 goals. Unless he played as a midfielder, which I'll admit I don't know, those stats don't tell me he's an AA. I could be wrong with those stats but I'm going by PlayHQ
By his own admission he struggled and I also did say niggles regarding his u17 year.
I could be wrong, thought I heard twomey discuss it on gettable pod couple days ago. But here is an article link with Kevin Sheehan u16 boys AA team.
I could be wrong, thought I heard twomey discuss it on gettable pod couple days ago. But here is an article link with Kevin Sheehan u16 boys AA team.
Yeah I'm not so sure the niggles were that impactful. He played 6 games as a 17 year old for Bushrangers and kicked 3 goals.
That article doesn't have his name in it? Or am I that blind haha (could be, wouldn't rule it out).
My point is Berry could be a 30 goal small forward and he's well capable of that. I don't buy into the commentary around him going into midfield. And the type I wanted was someone who could go into the midfield.
Hahaha fcuk me, I think your right, my bad, gotta stop hitting the crack pipe so early in the morning
Thought I was the one having a nightmare
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I think we get far to seduced by the Year or two before opposed to the present, maybe a late bloomer and puberty impacting different individuals at different times.
Rozee had a good 16’s and had elite attributes, had a down 18’s year but has been ok.
Sinn had a great 16’s year, impacted 18’s year hasn’t reached the same level of output as Rozee.
Butters great under 18’s year, has been a star since…
Evans impacted 18’s year off the field, been a star since debuting.
Berry has some elite attributes, looks a player from exposed form, now are we the right place to get that out of him consistently - let’s hope.
