Opinion Player list management and game plan 2019

[Jonts]

after stealing Rockliff from Carltons grasp last year doing it with Sheil would be hilarious

 

[FishingRick04]

C4 ??


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Don’t tease, plus

So his maximum trade value is right now.

That's it sell high.

As long as we have something to fill in the void. Perhaps we are losing Polec knowing we are playing for Sheil. I'd love a team with a bunch of bung shoulders

 

[Sewer de Lance]

I still don’t understand why we would be pursuing Lycett except to paper over our clubs list management incompetencies. No offence, but Scotty is nothing more then blue collar and workman like.

I assume he will command $450-500k for his services. That money would be better spent on attracting a fast paced small/medium sized fwd & an outside mid with good foot skills. As for a back up to Paddy, we should target a mature aged ruck through one of the State leagues.

 

[Papa G]

I still don’t understand why we would be pursuing Lycett except to paper over our clubs list management incompetencies. No offence, but Scotty is nothing more then blue collar and workman like.

I assume he will command $450-500k for his services. That money would be better spent on attracting a fast paced small/medium sized fwd & an outside mid with good foot skills. As for a back up to Paddy, we should target a mature aged ruck through one of the State leagues.

Yeah I've always wondered why people salivate over Lycett, mainly due to him playing for a minute with the Port Magpies. He's an injury prone average ruckman. Certainly nothing to get excited about. Whilst we desperately need a back up ruckman, I'm not sure this guys the answer, especially at the premium we seem to be paying for him. Hope I'm wrong.

 

[Harlott]

Sheil is one of a few players that seem to stand out whenever I watch GWS. This consistency is attractive.

 

[Magus]

I dont think the Magpies history has anything to do with wanting Lycett. People are just keen to get in a ready to go ruckman and not repeat the same mistakes from the last three years.

 

[Check-Raise !]

Hinkley came out saying they expect it to be a straight swap, pick 10 for polec.

Its been reported that north came back asking for our 2nd pick and polec for their first.
Kane cornes reported that port have come back with polec and our 3rd rounder for pick 10.
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If this had been the case then this is where Ken erred as you don't start a bidding discussion by commencing where you truly think something is worth. You start with a ridiculous bid ie; Polec for two picks + a player..... they come back with nope we'll give you pick 10 and you give us your second, then after some back and forwarding it's agreed to meet in the middle ie: pick 10.

Haven't they been to Bali or watched Life of Brian, you have to Haggle!

 

[Malibu#27]

I still don’t understand why we would be pursuing Lycett except to paper over our clubs list management incompetencies. No offence, but Scotty is nothing more then blue collar and workman like.

I assume he will command $450-500k for his services. That money would be better spent on attracting a fast paced small/medium sized fwd & an outside mid with good foot skills. As for a back up to Paddy, we should target a mature aged ruck through one of the State leagues.

It depends what your definition of paying overs is.
Certainly $450-$500k for a first 22 ruck is not overs in todays market, but he would be on more than that next year, but where he becomes a good option is the trade cost, if we can get him as a FA that frees up a top 30 pick to use on young talent. Sometimes the trade cost is equally important to the $$ value. Think of Polec ATM, the debate now is more about fair trade value, not fair salary.

EDIT: what if, paying as little more $$ than we would like on a FA ruck gives us the draft pick stock required to either recruit an additional high quality onballer, or provides and extra high draft pick. Is it worth it for $150k of salary cap space ?

 

[Forzaport]

Yeah I've always wondered why people salivate over Lycett, mainly due to him playing for a minute with the Port Magpies. He's an injury prone average ruckman. Certainly nothing to get excited about. Whilst we desperately need a back up ruckman, I'm not sure this guys the answer, especially at the premium we seem to be paying for him. Hope I'm wrong.

I see Lycett as a competent ruck who would be a decent upgrade on what Trengove offered. The demand for competent rucks is insane at the moment and given Ryder is on his last legs, I don't see us having much choice. I'm all for recruiting the next Grundy if one is available. By the time Lycett's contract is up, Hayes should be ready to take the mantle unless he crashes and burns like most of our other junior ruck prospects.

 

[JUSTWORK]

It depends what your definition of paying overs is.
Certainly $450-$500k for a first 22 ruck is not overs in todays market, but he would be on more than that next year, but where he becomes a good option is the trade cost, if we can get him as a FA that frees up a top 30 pick to use on young talent. Sometimes the trade cost is equally important to the $$ value. Think of Polec ATM, the debate now is more about fair trade value, not fair salary.

EDIT: what if, paying as little more $$ than we would like on a FA ruck gives us the draft pick stock required to either recruit an additional high quality onballer, or provides and extra high draft pick. Is it worth it for $150k of salary cap space ?

As long as in two years time we don’t have an extremely tight salary cap and lose someone as a result. But that is often the thinking with free aganecy, offer top dollar to avoid having to trade and keep the extra draft picks (to either trade for player, better draft picks or use at the draft)

 

[RossFC]

As long as in two years time we don’t have an extremely tight salary cap and lose someone as a result. But that is often the thinking with free aganecy, offer top dollar to avoid having to trade and keep the extra draft picks (to either trade for player, better draft picks or use at the draft)

We've got a bunch of players on a bit of money pretty much at the end of their careers. We shouldn't have any trouble with cap space.

 

[BrockBlitz]

I honestly think Ebert could play as a defensive forward. He's reasonably good defensively given his tagging roles in the past, is an excellent mark, and despite not having the greatest skills, is not a bad set shot. Really think he could play a very good role on the opposition damaging half back flankers.

Amen.

 

[philthy05]

We've got a bunch of players on a bit of money pretty much at the end of their careers. We shouldn't have any trouble with cap space.

R gray boak westhoff Rockliff and Ryder would be 5 of our 7 or 8 highest paid players right now easily and most of those contracts are gone or diminished soon enough. That is probably more than 3.5mil

 

[Schulzenfest]

No

His marking is overrated in that he can float in unchecked and pluck em but 1 on 1 is average to poor.

We need to start drafting developing and selecting forwards to play forward.

Sure, but that takes time. In the meantime Ebo could do everything that Sam Gray does better than Sam Gray does it. Better tank, better mark, better finisher around goals (for some reason his field kicking woes seem to disappear when he's got the big sticks in front of him), can actually stick a tackle.

 

[philthy05]

Sure, but that takes time. In the meantime Ebo could do everything that Sam Gray does better than Sam Gray does it. Better tank, better mark, better finisher around goals.

Yeah sure. I don’t want Sam gray to be our pass mark as a forward though but I know what you’re saying

Having said that If Ebert isn’t good enough to cram into a stocked midfield (and he hasn’t been) he needs to be traded or playing for the Maggies.

And we need to draft develop or trade in forwards

For instance Chapman could be ready to go next year as he will be 20. Jarvis already looks a competitor. Sam Mayes was an excellent forward as a junior and could be available.

 

[Willsy10]

I like the sound of Shiel a lot.

What would get it done. Pick 9 and 10?

 

[Coobk001]

Polec to North for 2 first rounders (pick 10-16) or pick 5, whatever they can get their hands on.

We aint getting 2 firsts for Polec, nor should we.

 

[Coobk001]

I like the sound of Shiel a lot.

What would get it done. Pick 9 and 10?

Polec + a sweetener

Port -
IN: Shiel
OUT: Polec, Pick 22

Roos -
IN: Polec
OUT: Pick 10

GWS -
IN: Pick 10, Pick 22
OUT: Shiel

 

[Hong-Kong Phooey]

i think Lycett will get better when consistently getting game time. he will be great in tandem with Ryder, then great in tandem with Hayes.

 

[Hong-Kong Phooey]

I like the sound of Shiel a lot.

What would get it done. Pick 9 and 10?

If Polec is a pick 10 alone. I think Sheil will be Pick 10 plus stkilda second round pick.

 

[Enviable Tradition]

The Port administrative leadership team know they have to pull a rabbit out of their hat to go some way to winning faith back from the paid up members.

Lycett is a good start but Shiel would be a Flemish Giant We might just start getting excited again.

I wish people would stop getting me so excited with this Shiel talk!

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[Willsy10]

Polec + a sweetener

Yeah i rate Polec, and still hope he backflips and stays but i think it would have to be a reasonable sweetener.

 

[Coobk001]

i think Lycett will get better when consistently getting game time. he will be great in tandem with Ryder, then great in tandem with Hayes.

He's pretty much played the entire last 2 years.

He's a mediocre ruck. There's a lot of wishful thinking on this board if they're expecting more than that.

But hey, that's all we need, a capable backup ruck. Let's just hope we dont make a massive dent in our salary cap when we bring him in, as he isn't worth it.

 

[Coobk001]

It depends what your definition of paying overs is.
Certainly $450-$500k for a first 22 ruck is not overs in todays market, but he would be on more than that next year, but where he becomes a good option is the trade cost, if we can get him as a FA that frees up a top 30 pick to use on young talent. Sometimes the trade cost is equally important to the $$ value. Think of Polec ATM, the debate now is more about fair trade value, not fair salary.

EDIT: what if, paying as little more $$ than we would like on a FA ruck gives us the draft pick stock required to either recruit an additional high quality onballer, or provides and extra high draft pick. Is it worth it for $150k of salary cap space ?

Good point and post. Had never thought of it that way.

 

[Coobk001]

I honestly think Ebert could play as a defensive forward. He's reasonably good defensively given his tagging roles in the past, is an excellent mark, and despite not having the greatest skills, is not a bad set shot. Really think he could play a very good role on the opposition damaging half back flankers.

x2, Ebert would do Boak's role better than Boak and also provide a marking option IMO. I think he'd be a great up and back half forward, not even necessarily a defensive fwd.