Player Rating System

[Tas]

I've noticed a lot on the main forum and on club sub-forums there is a lot of debate, argument and tears when terms are thrown around to describe a players. Player X is A grade, player Y is B grade, etc.

If we were to have an official system on BF to rate players how would you define the classifications? Would you use an A, B, C, D, E grade and if so how would you define each band so you could easily slot a player in a particular band?

 

[Neville Bartos]

Hmmmm, probably (in order from best to worst):

Rioli
1/2 Rioli
1/3 Rioli
1/4 Rioli
1/5 Rioli
1/6 Rioli
Varcoe
1/2 Varcoe
1/3 Varcoe
and so on.

 

[AG]

Out of 10.

 

[Tas]

Out of 10.

What is an 8, 9 and 10 player and how would you differentiate between them?

 

[cornbread]

What is an 8, 9 and 10 player and how would you differentiate between them?

You're kidding, right?

9 is better than 8, 10 is better than 9. 8 is better than 7. &c

 

[Stone in sock]

Yep nothing will solve subjective player debates better than a subjective rating system.

 

[Forward Press]

Elite
Star
Above average
Average
Below average
Spud
Jack Watts

 

[Boxhead_31]

I've noticed a lot on the main forum and on club sub-forums there is a lot of debate, argument and tears when terms are thrown around to describe a players. Player X is A grade, player Y is B grade, etc.

If we were to have an official system on BF to rate players how would you define the classifications? Would you use an A, B, C, D, E grade and if so how would you define each band so you could easily slot a player in a particular band?

Think we already have this it is called the Rioli rating scale

A full Rioli is a AFL god like individual only one player in the history of the game has achieved a full Rioli rating.

Next is a Rioli left leg players such as Bobby Skilton, Dick Reynolds Ian Stewart are the kind of players who are worthy of being rated a Rioli left leg

Then along comes the Rioli hamstrings players who fall into the Rioli hamstring classification are any HOF Legends and most Brownlow medal winners outside of Woewodin and Cooney

The rest of the players in the history of the VFL/AFL come under the Rioli little toe class as of the great man that is all they are worthy of being compared too

 

[Sttew]

Elite
Star
Above average
Average
Below average
Spud
Jack Watts

But Jack Watts is now delivering

 

[liam_13]

Just quickly:
Champions-players who have had exceptional careers but are clearly coming to the end with 1 or 2 years left-Brown, Black, Fletcher, Scarlett, Harvey

Elite-players who have been in the top bracket for at least 4 years and still have 3 or 4 years at least left in them-Ablett, Judd, Franklin, Swan, Cox, NRiewoldt, Pavlich, Goodes

A+ - Gun players who have been very good but only have just had their break out years or are very youthful, or simply aren't in the class of Ablett type players- Murphy, Pendlebury, Selwood, Bartel, Hodge, Mitchell, Goddard, Griffen, Fisher etc

A - gun players but due to certain factors-team being poor, injury, youth, 1 or 2 defiencies such as disposal or pace etc are not in the level above - Hayes, Thompson, Wells, Cooney, Corey

Young guns - players who are young, very good, but still have a long way to go before they can reach their full potential, Shuey, Sidebottom, Hurley, Natinui, Watts, Cotchin etc

B+ - Good players, middle aged that are important but not stars - Adam Schneider, Kurt Tippett, Jed Adcock
B - The lower down, closer to role players then stars - Clint Jones, Ben Hudson
Young good players-The lower rung of young players, more the injury prones that have still shown potential - Sam Reid-Sydney, Alex Silvagni, Robbie Tarrant
C+ - Getting to your more 'cult figures' who are pretty good but do not offer long term potential or immediate A-gradeness - Steven Baker, Jake King, Robin Nahas
C - Players who are pretty good sometimes, but are inconsistent, and are worse then they are good, Masten, Fraser etc
Young players-Cunnington, Duncan, Breust
Role players-McQualter, Pratt etc

Now someone else can define each player, and define what is good and such.

Note: Just because I grouped one player in the same group as another does not mean I think they are equal because there are rankings within rankings, and it was only a quick post, so no flaming because it's more the content that I was concerned with rather then the players named.

 

[AFLOnline]

I'm down with the full Rioli rankings..

 

[FRUMPY]

Guns - players in my team who i will always overate
Overated - guns from other sides i am unwilling to call a gun so will bag them for minor inperfections in their game
Dud - a top 10 draft pick who hasnt done much in the first year or two but will be a great player after 5 or 6 years, at which time they will become 'overated'
elite - sounds like there should be a handfull of these players but turns out there are about 200 of them in the afl
AA Side - played a good couple of games from round 12-15 and is now a gimme for AA honours, even though he did bugger all in the first half of the year.

 

[THRILLHO]

^^^

That's it. Got it.

 

[stainedclass]

Judd
Ablett Sr/ Carey/ Lethal
Legend
Champion
Star
Gun
A Grader
Front runner In current premiership team
B Grader
Plodder
Jack Watts

 

[Tas]

You're kidding, right?

9 is better than 8, 10 is better than 9. 8 is better than 7. &c

Wow, really? I would have never guessed.

I mean look at the current top end talent, what basis would you use to give them different categories, ie from Judd to Ablett to Hodge, Franklin, etc. How is each band defined and what kind of players would fall into each band.

 

[Tas]

Yep nothing will solve subjective player debates better than a subjective rating system.

There have to be ways to quantify the value of players, clubs must have some basis for how much they pay their players.

I think something like SC or DT values the statistical contribution would be part of it but you would need other factors incorporated as well.

With all the great minds on BF must be able to create a fool proof system of evaluation. I don't think any system would be flawless but I think if the great minds put some effort into you could at least get some decent talent bands which would make it easier to classify the overall value of any particular player.

You don't need the system to be precise enough to say who is better Judd or Ablett, just something which is in-depth enough that I can pick a random non-superstar player from a club I don't know spit about and can determine which band he should be in.

P.S. The only system involving Rioli is the over-rated system.

 

[AlibiMonday]

Tas, I agree with you, but it's wishful thinking to be able to get that amount of collaboration inside an open BF thread.

 

[Domenic Fotia]

Great thread.

What one person thinks is an "A" grader may differ to others so you are not comparing apples with apples.

for the record I rate;

A+ = All time great (Judd)
A = Champion (Murphy)
B+ = Potential A grader (Kreuzer)
B = better than most (Heath Scotland)
C = Good ordinary footballer (Kade Simpson)
D = Average (Bret Thornton)
F = did not make it @ the top level (Ian Prendergast)

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

Pendlebury
Wellingham
Dawes
Toovey
Jordan Russell

 

[Adelaide Hawk]

Elite
Star
Above average
Average
Below average
Spud
Jack Watts

With extra points for having a partner whose boobs are hanging out of a red dress on Brownlow night.

 

[The Passenger]

elite - top 10
star - 11-25
excellent - 26-50
good - 51-100
above average - 101-200
average 201-400
ordinary 401-600
plodder below that
jack watts

 

[Koutou43]

Great thread.

What one person thinks is an "A" grader may differ to others so you are not comparing apples with apples.

for the record I rate;

A+ = All time great (Judd)
A = Champion (Murphy)
B+ = Potential A grader (Kreuzer)
B = better than most (Heath Scotland)
C = Good ordinary footballer (Kade Simpson)
D = Average (Bret Thornton)
F = did not make it @ the top level (Ian Prendergast)[/QUOT

 

[Koutou43]

Pendlebury
Wellingham
Dawes
Toovey
Jordan Russell

Let me guess;

Pendelbury A
Wellingham C
Dawes C+
Toovey D
Jordan Russell C