Player X or Player Y (part 2)

[1 Million]

Anyway u can get Gray, Hall and Duffield???, dont like Mackie this year as he will get a shut down job most weeks equating to lower scores. Halls preseason has been too good to ignore, grays midfield time shuld see him increase his average to 90-95 and duffield is a consistent performer. If i had to choose, id go Duffman + Hall but id try get Gray as well

Scarlett takes Fullforward
Taylor takes CHF
Hunt/Drum takes small forward

Mackie will not play KP unless injuries... MAckie looks well underpriced IMO

 

[IDIG]

Vince (M4) + Rockliff (F7) or Trengove (M4) + Buddy (and no forward rookie starting)

 

[Just_ace]

the second option.


option 1
goddard + masten + 95k ruckman

option2
goddard + Josh P Kennedy + 75k ruckman

option3
macke + j watson + 95k ruckman

 

[Funkalicous]

Ignore those mid-priced midfielders like Masten and Kennedy. Take one of Connors, Trengrove, Barlow, Moribito, or even Scully. The extra 100K you'll make will be more than handy!

 

[Just_ace]

Ignore those mid-priced midfielders like Masten and Kennedy. Take one of Connors, Trengrove, Barlow, Moribito, or even Scully. The extra 100K you'll make will be more than handy!

I got barlow and martin on the ground. I'm a bit weary of starting 3 rookies in the mid.

 

[mezaire]

Ignore those mid-priced midfielders like Masten and Kennedy. Take one of Connors, Trengrove, Barlow, Moribito, or even Scully. The extra 100K you'll make will be more than handy!

It really depends on what you want and are going for.

Masten should score 80+ right off the bat and be fairly consistant. I am currently viewing him as a keeper as my 6th midfielder.
Maybe 2/4 of the rookies listed above will get above 60 average but even Rich with one of the best rookie seasons of all time only got to 85 avg.

So if you want a trade upgrade/cashcow go for a rookie, but if you want a player to be there at the end (assuming he stays uninjured) then Masten is looking pretty good.

Been playing with 2 or 3 starting rookies in the mids for a while and the thing that has swung me back to 2 is the risk of having to have 3 rookies play week in week out.

Me

 

[sdsdsdsd]

Scarlett takes Fullforward
Taylor takes CHF
Hunt/Drum takes small forward

Mackie will not play KP unless injuries... MAckie looks well underpriced IMO

Dont think so, Mackie usually takes the small or third foward while Hunt zones off, i dont think drum is in the team.

WOuld like some clarification tho, not 100% sure

 

[Just_ace]

^^^ history would show mackie plays better with hunt in the team ^^^ his a lock for me with sam fisher going down, and goddard will surley have to play a more defensive role for 6 weeks.

goddard out / mackie in

yeh I can't see masten been a keeper, don't think he will make the top 15 mids let alone the top 6. might have to take a risk and get a rookie in there.



probably been done to death

robbie gray vs barry hall

whats grays potential to become a keeper for the 7th forward?


thanks.

 

[brent-83]

Goddard playing a more defensive role because of the Fisher?

I would have thought that would have gone to a Blake/Gilbert type?

 

[Just_ace]

Goddard playing a more defensive role because of the Fisher?

I would have thought that would have gone to a Blake/Gilbert type?

I think im just looking for excuses to justify not picking him

 

[DLab]

Looking to spread the money round.

Kennelly, Lobbe, Shaw, Tippett and Bastinac

vs

Silvagni, Skipper, Duffield, Pavlich and Shuey.

Option 2 reads better but i'm looking at this from a value perspective?

 

[Tom12]

Pick Goddard. Those who don't may not have due to his hefty price tag.

 

[Just_ace]

Looking to spread the money round.

Kennelly, Lobbe, Shaw, Tippett and Bastinac

vs

Silvagni, Skipper, Duffield, Pavlich and Shuey.

Option 2 reads better but i'm looking at this from a value perspective?

#1 is better value






seaby or hille or nicnacpaddywhackgiveadogabonethisoldmancamerollinghome

 

[DLab]

I've gone Hille. Provided he can stay fit he's proven his scoring ability in the past. Seaby has not, NicNat is still growing as a player.

You say its better value, but which group would you prefer in your team?

 

[melanChronic]

Harbrow(B4) and Wright(F7)

OR

Dempsey(B4) and Dangerfield(F7)?

Not sure if I'd rather the higher chance potential keeper in the backs or the more secure 7th forward.

 

[DLab]

Looking at the pairings, i'd want Harbrow and Dangerfield, but obviously that isn't an option for you. Dempsey's picked up some hype around here but his potential is questionable and Wright I don't know much of!

What about you melan,

Kennelly, Lobbe, Shaw, Tippett and Bastinac

vs

Silvagni, Skipper, Duffield, Pavlich and Shuey?

 

[Tom12]

IMO Masten will be a keeper. Same as ball. I just don't think coaches using 3 rookies in the opening round on the ground (MID) could pick them up without having too weak a midfield.

 

[major tom]

When it comes down to it there are a host of good options between 150-165 and also from 90 -105 but you can't have them all. I left out the forward rookies out who I think are clearly inferior.

How do you rate these in order?

164 Hunt
157 Scully
156 Connors
153 Trengove
152 Waters
149 Martin

AND

105 Barlow
105 Jetta
94 Shuey
94 Banner
89 Bastinac

 

[major tom]

When it comes down to it there are a host of good options between 150-165 and also from 90 -105 but you can't have them all. I left out the forward rookies out who I think are clearly inferior.

How do you rate these in order?

164 Hunt
157 Scully
156 Connors
153 Trengove
152 Waters
149 Martin

AND

105 Barlow
105 Jetta
94 Shuey
94 Banner
89 Bastinac

Most teams will have somewhere between 4 - 8 of this group. Who are the must haves? Who are the ones to clearly leave out?

 

[Butane]

Here's an interesting one.

Hunt + Bartel
or
Scotland + Masten

Let me explain.

Hunt = 65 + Bartel 110 = 175 (30K cheaper)
Scotland = 85 + Masten = 85 = 170 (+1 eventual trade)

(Both a chance to score slightly higher - but for argument sake let's not speculate)

But IF you pick Masten, he's eventually your 6th mid and thus he's a lock. Same with Scotland.

But if you pick Hunt and Bartel you have to burn a trade as Hunt won't score enough to be a lock.

 

[Moogs]

Butane; who is your captain?

 

[chadleverington]

But IF you pick Masten, he's eventually your 6th mid and thus he's a lock. Same with Scotland.

85 enough for a midfield spot is it? wouldn't have thought so, would be wanting 100 as a minimum.

 

[Butane]

Ablett Capt.

I actually think Masten will average between 85 - 95. But for the sake of argument went with 85 and if that was the case I think you can carry your last mid as averaging 85. As long as it allows you to get some super premiums. If every player including your captain averages 87 you get 2000 every week. Getting someone like Ablett, who will average 110+ as captain off sets this in the early peice.

Good discussion though.

 

[WoGiTaLiA]

Maybe 2/4 of the rookies listed above will get above 60 average but even Rich with one of the best rookie seasons of all time only got to 85 avg.

Rich averaged 77 but Palmer was at 88 and Selwood at 86. Anthony was even better once he got on the field last year. Basically at this point both Barlow and Martin look as likely to average 80 as Masten does and they cost less than him combined.

Masten should score 80+ right off the bat and be fairly consistant. I am currently viewing him as a keeper as my 6th midfielder.

Your problem is at either ends of the sentence. You are already beaten if you are happy and planning on a guy in the 80s as your 6th midfielder. If you are truly wanting to compete your 6th midfielder at season end should be pushing 100 and probably exceeding it. My final midfield last year(I finished in the 500s) was Swan, Ablett, Bartel, Corey, Selwood and Mitchell with Anthony as an emergency. The only reason you could pick Masten as a keeper is if you expect 100+ at year end. If you are only expecting 80-95 he just isn't worth it as a keeper. Perfectly acceptable to pick him if you think he can get to the 400k price range and allow an upward movement to a better player on a downswing but I just can't justify taking a punt on a 300k cash cow. I'd rather spend that 300k on a defender and get a genuine keeper back there and pick a Martin who quite possibly has just as much scoring potential as Masten.

I actually think Masten will average between 85 - 95. But for the sake of argument went with 85 and if that was the case I think you can carry your last mid as averaging 85. As long as it allows you to get some super premiums. If every player including your captain averages 87 you get 2000 every week. Getting someone like Ablett, who will average 110+ as captain off sets this in the early peice.

Sort of hashed on it above but the problem here is that you need the captain to cover for defenders, forwards and rucks. I think you have planned to fail if you are approaching it expecting to need your captain to cover for a midfielder. Obviously you can pick Masten on the belief that if all hell breaks loose you don't mind him as the 6th mid, but to plan for him as your 6th mid, even given your topend 95 average would be a bad plan or at least not a plan of someone hoping to win a competitive league or the car. It takes 2200+ as an average by seasons end to hope to win in a good league(leagues are a realistic aim, cars are a dream) so if you are not getting at least 100 from you midfielders you are way behind the 8 ball. Just my view but I have never finished outside the top 1000 so I like to think I have been doing something right over the last 6 or so years.

But IF you pick Masten, he's eventually your 6th mid and thus he's a lock. Same with Scotland.

But if you pick Hunt and Bartel you have to burn a trade as Hunt won't score enough to be a lock.

It's an interesting theory that doesn't quite work here but could work with a forward/back combo or even two backs. The problem is that an 85 is a keeper in the backs but not the mids so you are still out the trade, just using it at the other position. The problem of course arises in that you will struggle to find a back that is of the same value as Masten. I think it is all about finding where the true value is though without sacrificing too much at either end of the season. As someone who had every final decided by less that 100 points last year and bowed out of the eliminator by 5 points, giving up 20 points on Masten at years end to save an assumed trade at the start of the year is just too much.

Of course, with all my Masten "hate", it is worth noting that there is normally someone in that bracket that does make the jump. Marc Murphy a couple of years jumped to borderline keeper from that same sort of price range. Of course borderline keeper is a big risk and Murphy also didn't have the same kind of durability question marks that Masten does. If you want someone in that group though, Masten is as good as anyone as a prospect. Burgoyne, Ibbotson, Petterd, Swift, Wells and Cotchin are the other guys that stand out and I can give a better reason not to pick each on of them than Masten. I also quite like Leigh Adams if he is picked in round 1 but that would be ultra-unique and quite the risk, which defies basically every reason I have for not picking Masten in the first place.

 

[Moses01]

Ok,
Steve Johnson or Bartel??

Currently I have dangerfield in midfield and johnson up forward.
I'm thinking I want bartel in my team and the only way to do it, keeping dangerfield is to cut Johnson, chuck Dangerfield down forward and then there's room for Bartel in the midfield.

Thoughts? Jimmy probably more likely to get more posessions/points etc? maybe? hopefully?!