Draft Expert PMBangers 2023 Draft Thread

[flipper83]

He was one of about 20 odd I was trying to cram between 31-40, so he's certainly in that group of late 2nd/ early 3rd round selections for me but just hasn't been all that convincing this year, the injury clearly didn't help but when he came back he was lacking that burst speed we saw prior, and it reduced his impact with possession dramatically given he struggled to break into space for his kicks. Hopefully it was just down to not being 100% right post injury, but it makes him far less appealing if not imo, given there's not really much that makes him standout as a midfielder from the rest of the pack

Why not do a top 50

 

[PMBangers]

Why not do a top 50

I can't think of anything more painful than trying to actually rank that group in order

 

[Tasmanian saint]

I can't think of anything more painful than trying to actually rank that group in order

Who are you thinking for st kilda with their first pick ? Cheers

 

[PMBangers]

Who are you thinking for st kilda with their first pick ? Cheers

I think Demattia, Hardeman and Roberts all appeal as guys that can bring some more run to the side and generally damage by foot out of defense, possibly Ollie Murphy should they be looking to add a young KPD but gut feel is Saints stick to mediums this draft

 

[Keystone agony]

Rudd add any more cms for the combine?

What did he measure at?

 

[Mojorisin]

Thoughts on Hugo Garcia? He seems to be one I rate that I haven't seen anyone mention. I have him at 33 on my board.

 

[PMBangers]

Rudd add any more cms for the combine?

What did he measure at?

I recommend reading the rookiemecentral draft guide, featuring; heights, weights, summaries, extended write ups and more!

 

[PMBangers]

Thoughts on Hugo Garcia? He seems to be one I rate that I haven't seen anyone mention. I have him at 33 on my board.

He's certainly not the worst option you could look at late in the draft, but I think clubs will prefer prospects with a clear elite trait rather than players with multiple above average traits in the later parts of the draft this year, so I think his best chance will come as a rookie

 

[Ura]

I’m wondering in the next 5 years who you see as the best 1:1 key back in the draft? I say that hoping Murphy falls to North and assuming Curtin becomes more of a 3rd defender or utility.
Also would you consider drafting Curtin drafting a KPD?
Thanks again love reading

 

[Lingsface]

I’d be happy with Lloyd for second round if we get a good midfielder first up, looks like he is worth a punt on! Got some assets!

 

[Keystone agony]

I’m wondering in the next 5 years who you see as the best 1:1 key back in the draft? I say that hoping Murphy falls to North and assuming Curtin becomes more of a 3rd defender or utility.
Also would you consider drafting Curtin drafting a KPD?
Thanks again love reading

Very surprised to see Twomey say Murphy may get into the 20s

If North dont have a tall defender id be surprised if they passed at their teen picks

And if hes gone then i reckon theyll consider ZZ at 18

I know ive said it a bit but If im north im offering up 15, 17 and 18 if Osullivan whos more ready than most is somehow available at 9 for the dons. For 9, 31 and 35

Mckercher, Duursma and Osullivan with 31/35 later is a very handy 3

 

[PMBangers]

I’m wondering in the next 5 years who you see as the best 1:1 key back in the draft? I say that hoping Murphy falls to North and assuming Curtin becomes more of a 3rd defender or utility.
Also would you consider drafting Curtin drafting a KPD?
Thanks again love reading

Zakostelsky has the highest ceiling in regards to the role just due to his unreal athleticism, but is coming from a lot further back than Murphy, Curtin and O'Sullivan, so there's less likelihood imo of him reaching his full potential. Murphy's obviously good in a deep role and when he bulks up he'll be effective, but I do wonder whether his athletic limitations will hinder him against some KPFs at the next level. Personally I think he'll translate, but that's one of the reasons he's slid in some clubs eyes.

Yes, Curtin is a really good KPD and, despite what he's said, I think it's where he ends up playing in the long run at AFL level

 

[PMBangers]

I’d be happy with Lloyd for second round if we get a good midfielder first up, looks like he is worth a punt on! Got some assets!

Ok

 

[RUNVS]

Generally speaking Sydney do this anyway but especially this draft I think Beatson is going to be really left of field and pick someone no one is really predicting.

 

[LittleDemon]

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Hey Bangers, I don't know if you have a hand putting the RookieMe guide together, but if you do, may I ask why both the Coates League stats and the Champs stats aren't listed to give a more all round picture how each player went for the season? Surely the photo and spider graph could be smaller to make room for this information without having to click a link for every player.

It's a great resource though, thanks for pointing it out!

 

[PMBangers]

Generally speaking Sydney do this anyway but especially this draft I think Beatson is going to be really left of field and pick someone no one is really predicting.

Still a bit to play out but Green is being strongly linked for that first pick and I don't think many would've predicted top 15 selection for him a month or so ago

Hey Bangers, I don't know if you have a hand putting the RookieMe guide together, but if you do, may I ask why both the Coates League stats and the Champs stats aren't listed to give a more all round picture how each player went for the season? Surely the photo and spider graph could be smaller to make room for this information without having to click a link for every player.

It's a great resource though, thanks for pointing it out!

Great question that I don't have an answer for, we may not have had full champs stats access but Pie 4 Life could confirm or deny better

 

[Pie 4 Life]

Hey Bangers, I don't know if you have a hand putting the RookieMe guide together, but if you do, may I ask why both the Coates League stats and the Champs stats aren't listed to give a more all round picture how each player went for the season? Surely the photo and spider graph could be smaller to make room for this information without having to click a link for every player.

It's a great resource though, thanks for pointing it out!

Great question that I don't have an answer for, we may not have had full champs stats access but Pie 4 Life could confirm or deny better

We had champs stats access, but there were some who it was better not to put their champs stats up vs their state comp states, ie. Lance Collard being one.

I would say in order of reader preference, most lean towards the profile itself and strengths/improvements/draft range over stats, with stats being a supportive element. Of course we could add more stats, but descriptive measures (such as the graph/ratings and profile itself) are generally more read.

Also clicking through is exactly what we want to be fair. We don't do click bait articles in the traditional media sense, so getting clicks on the website is important as then we can go and present to sponsors and things like that to keep the content as clean as possible and things like the draft guide free.

It's definitely a suggestion though, and if more feedback leant towards additional stats on the page, then we're look at making it happen. Each year we always look to mix up the template so can be something to note down for 2024, thanks.

 

[flipper83]

We had champs stats access, but there were some who it was better not to put their champs stats up vs their state comp states, ie. Lance Collard being one.

I would say in order of reader preference, most lean towards the profile itself and strengths/improvements/draft range over stats, with stats being a supportive element. Of course we could add more stats, but descriptive measures (such as the graph/ratings and profile itself) are generally more read.

Also clicking through is exactly what we want to be fair. We don't do click bait articles in the traditional media sense, so getting clicks on the website is important as then we can go and present to sponsors and things like that to keep the content as clean as possible and things like the draft guide free.

It's definitely a suggestion though, and if more feedback leant towards additional stats on the page, then we're look at making it happen. Each year we always look to mix up the template so can be something to note down for 2024, thanks.

While your talking suggestions I feel like the strength web perhaps could give each stat a rating out of 10 instead of the elite/above average/average breakdown.
It seems like 4 levels isn't really enough to accurately differentiate players although I can see how doing this might make things more painful for you guys.

 

[LittleDemon]

We had champs stats access, but there were some who it was better not to put their champs stats up vs their state comp states, ie. Lance Collard being one.

I would say in order of reader preference, most lean towards the profile itself and strengths/improvements/draft range over stats, with stats being a supportive element. Of course we could add more stats, but descriptive measures (such as the graph/ratings and profile itself) are generally more read.

Also clicking through is exactly what we want to be fair. We don't do click bait articles in the traditional media sense, so getting clicks on the website is important as then we can go and present to sponsors and things like that to keep the content as clean as possible and things like the draft guide free.

It's definitely a suggestion though, and if more feedback leant towards additional stats on the page, then we're look at making it happen. Each year we always look to mix up the template so can be something to note down for 2024, thanks.

Thanks for the quick and succinct replies. I really liked the layout this year, my only other advice was the the national and state combine results should be combined and show a few more names for each since results are always fairly close. Maybe top 10's for each.

And to be honest I mostly noted the stats idea when I got to the last profile Billy Wilson, who had his less than great champs stats up, when his Coates results were far superior (B&F's #6 Coates League, and #1 Stingrays). Also the poor kid was asked to tag Watson in the last champs game at request from AFL clubs instead of play his normal role as rebounding half back which would of hindered his statistics, since he clearly outperformed his Stingray teammates all year who are getting much more exposure.

 

[Keystone agony]

Regards Murphy, but that's one of the reasons he's slid in some clubs eyes.

Just wondering, have AFL clubs told you this?

 

[PMBangers]

Just wondering, have AFL clubs told you this?

No but it's an easy summation to make, there were suspicions about his testing numbers from pre season and a few recruiters had mentioned it'd be a watch at the National Combine, particularly when Sandringham faced Northern in the later rounds of the Home and Away season and Sandy opted for Voss to go to Caddy rather than Murphy

 

[briztoon]

Thanks for the quick and succinct replies. I really liked the layout this year, my only other advice was the the national and state combine results should be combined and show a few more names for each since results are always fairly close. Maybe top 10's for each.

And to be honest I mostly noted the stats idea when I got to the last profile Billy Wilson, who had his less than great champs stats up, when his Coates results were far superior (B&F's #6 Coates League, and #1 Stingrays). Also the poor kid was asked to tag Watson in the last champs game at request from AFL clubs instead of play his normal role as rebounding half back which would of hindered his statistics, since he clearly outperformed his Stingray teammates all year who are getting much more exposure.

That right there is way (way, way) more important than any stats included in a draft guide that is mostly being published for footy fans.

It shows that AFL clubs are watching the kid, and want to see if he can perform a role that will be asked of him at AFL a level.

A lot of kids get to the AFL land are asked to play roles they didn’t as a junior.

At the Lions we have Deven Robertson, won the medal as the best player at the U18 championships, and set a new disposal’s record (beat Sam Walsh’s record from the year before) playing as an inside mid.

At the Lions he’s asked to play defensive wing and as a defensive forward rolling in to the midfield. Isn’t asked to go ball hunting, just stop his opponent.

Every team has quality kids playing these roles. If a kid can’t play these types of roles, or is unwilling to, he can quickly find himself out of the system.

Be excited that recruiters asked the kid to play a specific role, and hope he did well.

I bet there’s a couple of hundred other “poor” kids who wished that AFL teams asked them to perform a role.

 

[master bate]

Very surprised to see Twomey say Murphy may get into the 20s

If North dont have a tall defender id be surprised if they passed at their teen picks

And if hes gone then i reckon theyll consider ZZ at 18

I know ive said it a bit but If im north im offering up 15, 17 and 18 if Osullivan whos more ready than most is somehow available at 9 for the dons. For 9, 31 and 35

Mckercher, Duursma and Osullivan with 31/35 later is a very handy 3

Remember that at least 2 of North’s teen picks will likely be in the 20’s by the time they are used. So you can say Murphy will slide in to the 20’s and go to North and both can be right.

The Wil Dawson link to North is interesting. When it comes to talls that don’t go in the very pointy end of there’s rarely consensus given each player has decent flaws to work on.

 

[Swansujelly]

Generally speaking Sydney do this anyway but especially this draft I think Beatson is going to be really left of field and pick someone no one is really predicting.

one of the two Tassie bolters I rekon.

 

[Keystone agony]

Remember that at least 2 of North’s teen picks will likely be in the 20’s by the time they are used. So you can say Murphy will slide in to the 20’s and go to North and both can be right.

The Wil Dawson link to North is interesting. When it comes to talls that don’t go in the very pointy end of there’s rarely consensus given each player has decent flaws to work on.

Yeh thats probably true

Im still not fully convinced many of Rogers, Croft or McCabe are bid on before Norths 15 that will be 17 on the night