POLL - Do you support KNEELING?

[iBeng]

Disrespectful. When I hear the anthem, I think of those who have fallen for our country to give us the freedom's we take for granted today. To kneel during to that comes off as ungrateful, regardless if that was the intent.

You may want to watch this then.

 

[Schnitzengruben]

You may want to watch this then.

I understand his point, but I still disagree with the act. Thanks for sharing, regardless.

 

[iBeng]

I understand his point, but I still disagree with the act. Thanks for sharing, regardless.

Fair enough, veterans disrespect the flag when they kneel.

 

[Toump Ass]

When I hear the anthem, I think of those who have fallen for our country to give us the freedom's we take for granted today.

What a bunch of nationalistic horse shit.
When I hear the national anthem I go to the bar to buy a beer while all the dead shits put their hand on the heart and mouth the words to lyrics they don't know and wouldn't be able to pronounce anyway.

"Those who have fallen!", good lord. What utter tripe.

 

[Barrysballs]

This issue transcends politics.

Then why bring a political ideological organization in BLM into it?

It could of been a stand against Racism (Which most people think it is) but it's not it's support for the Far left ideologies of the BLM.

 

[Schnitzengruben]

What a bunch of nationalistic horse shit.
When I hear the national anthem I go to the bar to buy a beer while all the dead shits put their hand on the heart and mouth the words to lyrics they don't know and wouldn't be able to pronounce anyway.

"Those who have fallen!", good lord. What utter tripe.

Weird melt

 

[Lolbert]

What a bunch of nationalistic horse shit.
When I hear the national anthem I go to the bar to buy a beer while all the dead shits put their hand on the heart and mouth the words to lyrics they don't know and wouldn't be able to pronounce anyway.

"Those who have fallen!", good lord. What utter tripe.

Nationalism is a dangerous notion indeed. And I’m not sure why calling out the flaws of our country, we have plenty, is considered disrespectful. We should work to keep improving what we have

 

[HARKER]

By bosses I assume You mean the AFL. From my reading, The AFLPA, Their union, have informed the AFL that their collective membership want to take a knee and theAFL have agreed in can occur.
Secondly even if it was the aaFL who wanted so what. A lot of companies have “Value statements” that employees have to agree to. All employers agree to abide by them or leave.

1. I'm speaking about individuals. I don't subscribe to group think 'values'
There would be some who may just want to do good without the overt symbolism, but they have to conform. They have no choice.

2. A lot of companies/universities say things to put them in a supposed good light.
Do you buy into this virtue grandstanding? Is a company inherently good because they state they 'support' particular groups?
A friend of line is a lecturer and dependent on where she's lecturing she has to thank the people of ******* past, present and future.
This is forced upon her, as if she doesn't say these things (against her will) she will no longer be asked to lecture on campus.

Like I keep saying: Good people do good things and the others just pretend...and pretence isn't a good thing.

 

[HARKER]

Nationalism is a dangerous notion indeed. And I’m not sure why calling out the flaws of our country, we have plenty, is considered disrespectful. We should work to keep improving what we have

Correct. We should work on making things better and not pretending we've done our due diligence because we've dropped the knee, or apologised to someone for something we didn't do.

Real actions count. Pretending we're doing good....not so much.

 

[dean33]

Not sure I agree. Those sort of gestures and protests can change public opinion. I mean look at gay marriage, they did not get that by violent protests, or staying silent, they got it by making their cause known, and over time making more people sympathetic to their cause. Eventually enough people became sympathetic that those people became the majority of the nation, and after that happened within a decade gay marriage was legal.

It happened too slowly, but these sort of public protests and standing with the people who want equality does help change public opinion, and that is vital in any cause.

I agree protests can help bring about change and I fully support players taking the knee. However I also think these protests during a pandemic can also harm the cause and turn people’s opinions against them. What these protesters are doing now is a big F you to the rest of society that has done the right thing to keep the rest of the community safe.

 

[madrigal]

All this genuflecting has creepy religious or cultish undertones. as an atheist I just can't support it.

 

[Run n Spread]

Is the kneeling remembering the sickening way Floyd died? Or is it being united with Kaepernick's protest during the anthem?

Either way, not sure it how it represents indigenous Australia or local issues. Not against it and people should feel free to stand up for what they believe in.

I am curious how there was none of this level of activism when Goodes was driven out of the game by racist idiots, yet players will jump on a global movement.

To be fair the players did wear wrist bands and stood up for him at the time. Didn't have community support thou. Very true about us taking cues from the US rather than confront out issues.
Having said that free speech is free. If you want to kneel in solidarity don't see the harm

 

[LunchboxLegend]

My wife voted yes.

 

[Tig017]

Who or what are they kneeling for? Is there a clear answer yet?

Convicted criminal George Floyd? BlackLivesMatter? The rioters? The false notion of systematic racism in the police force? Police brutality?

Can't be the latter, because they didn't pay any tribute for Justine Damond.

 

[DapperJong]

All this genuflecting has creepy religious or cultish undertones. as an atheist I just can't support it.

 

[JackOutback]

Disrespectful. When I hear the anthem, I think of those who have fallen for our country to give us the freedom's we take for granted today. To kneel during to that comes off as ungrateful, regardless if that was the intent.

Do you at least understand that some people may not feel the same way, particularly Indigenous people? Maybe they think of their ancestors who fought and ‘fell’ to protect this country only for those that survived to return to be ignored, treated as less than human, and face institutional racism for decades, policies that still ring down through the years. Maybe.

 

[Tig017]

Why didn't AFL players kneel for Daniel Shaver?

 

[Hird Is Scum]

How can people actually have a problem with this?

Racists will always find an excuse to be racist.

 

[Wojcinski]

I'm surprised but at the same time not really surprised at all at how many racists there are on these forums

 

[DapperJong]

Why didn't AFL players kneel for Daniel Shaver?

They might in the future. No one is saying police brutality isn’t a problem. In fact it’s a compounding factor of BLM. Glad you agree with the cause.

 

[Tig017]

They might in the future. No one is saying police brutality isn’t a problem. In fact it’s a compounding factor of BLM. Glad you agree with the cause.

What cause do I agree with?
Being against police brutality? Sure.
Is that what the AFL players are kneeling for?
If so, why didn't they kneel for Daniel Shaver? Or Justine Damond?

 

[DapperJong]

What cause do I agree with?
Being against police brutality? Sure.
Is that what the AFL players are kneeling for?
If so, why didn't they kneel for Daniel Shaver? Or Justine Damond?

BLM. That’s why they’re kneeling. It’s been well established actually.

is it ok to only kneel for one cause at a time?

 

[Tig017]

BLM. That’s why they’re kneeling. It’s been well established actually.

is it ok to only kneel for one cause at a time?

BLM? The same cause that's saying rioting is the language of the people? The same cause that's baselessly claiming there's systematic racism in the police department? The same cause calling for the defunding, if not outright dismantling of all police departments in the US?

That's what the AFL players are kneeling for?

 

[Sinisstar]

No, George Floyd was a criminal flog.

 

[Toump Ass]

Weird melt

You're parroting crap you've seen on crappy American TV shows and it's dumb.

Do you at least understand that some people may not feel the same way, particularly Indigenous people?

Oldest civilisation on the planet, discrimination rampant, massively over-represented in jails, still dying in custody... "we are young and free" .