i dont actually believe that. brisbane arent idiots, they'll go best available at pick 7 which would have to be one of Scharenberg or Aish.No they are just making noises to psych us out so they can get Scharenberg, don't be gullible
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Hawthorn recruiter Keith Boxall on SEN said we will take Scharenberg and Freeman.. said this will be the order:
1. GWS: Boyd
2. GWS: Kelly
3. StK: Billings
4. WB: Aish
5. GC: Kolodjashnij
6. COLL: Scharenberg
7. BRIS: Lennon
8. NM: McDonald
9. MELB: Salem
10. COLL: Freeman
1. GWS: Boyd
2. GWS: Kelly
3. StK: Billings
4. WB: Aish
5. GC: Kolodjashnij
6. COLL: Scharenberg
7. BRIS: Lennon
8. NM: McDonald
9. MELB: Salem
10. COLL: Freeman
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Taking Freeman ahead of Bonts just doesn't make any sense to me.
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He could be foxing
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I'm not taking any notice tbh of what's been posted around the boards of late, so much speculation and very open draft top 10 so why bother......I mean, seriously, a number of posters have 'confirmed draft orders' that have changed more often than a StKilda coach.
FFS, it's tomorrow night so lets stop with the confirmed, my mate, i have sources rubbish.....mind you it does make for a great fictional read.
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It's interesting because it's an AFL recruiter saying it.. Bonty really is all or nothing.. and in the championships he did nothing
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TBH I'd put far more stock in that opinion than any other that I have seen so far on the interwebs.
For mine when your head of recruiting specifically mentions that you've lost key players in regards to meters gained on the club website two days out from the draft it suggests that we've put a high weighting on run and carry through this draft which Freeman provides.
If the Bontempelli to Bulli's word is true it really is beginning to feel like an Aish and Freeman draft to me which wouldn't be my worst outcome, but not one I'm particularly enamoured with...
The thing that concerns me about Freeman is, according to the profiles I've been reading (so take with a grain of salt), he's not silky or particularly composed with the ball in hand. Given our current list, kicking ought to be our top priority coming into this draft IMO. Understand the attraction of an explosive mid -- we are a bit one-paced -- who can run the lines, but the best way of 'gaining metres' is to make good decisions and to kick it to a bloke in the same colour jumper.
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My take on it is that in terms of power mids to replace DT or long term Swan Freeman's your man in this draft (in terms of availabity at our selection). For mine DT and Swan's disposal by foot is average, however in terms of meters gained they'd be in the very top bracket.
Long term I'd have Freeman coming out on top or at worst even in terms of skill by foot so with his running power he, IMO, projects as the type that can be strong from a meters gained perspective IF he can become a consistent 25-30 ppg player.
Whether he can reach that level of consistency, again IMO, will depend on how he interviewed. I believe that these days most guys at the high end of the talent pool can put up good numbers if they're able to adapt to team structures and a lot of that can be quantified during the interview process.
It was the one great concern on Dangerfields game. At one stage the Adelaide development staff just didn't think it would twig for him and that he'd struggle in the midfield.
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Freeman and Mooney on the forward flanks.. crazy fast
Agree that Swan is a pretty ordinary kick, and that this hasn't stopped him from being a champion -- just as it hasn't stopped Judd, another who is pretty average by foot, from being one of the best mids of his generation. Agree also with the Dangerfield comparison, neither Dangerfield nor Fyfe are particularly classy by foot, yet they're stars and look set to be two of the dominant mids over the next half-a-decade.
You can have a champion team that includes slow players, small players, outside players, poorly skilled players, one-position players etc; I have no problems with that statement. But eventually you reach a tipping point where you've got too many of one sort -- too many short people, too many slowbies -- and adding another one becomes detrimental to your overall mix. And to me, we already lag a long way behind the likes of Hawthorn in the way we kick the footy. And with battalions of coaches now working at every club, zoning, clubs trying to pin you in your own defence, fast-break footy etc, the ability to hit a target under pressure is becoming more important with each passing season.
That's why I'd prefer us to draft only laser-footed players with our top-10 picks. We need to make up ground on some of the better-kicking teams, not lose it. My two cents, anyway.
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Aish wont be there at 10, u take him at 6 or nothing. Brisbane havent made noise about him because no one would think he would still be there.
If he is there at 7 Brisbane will take him for sure,
If he is there at 7 Brisbane will take him for sure,
The kicking skills is a funny one, among myself and my pies mates we always end up talking about our lack of quality ball users but the stats tell a different story. Statistically we had a very poor year yet ranked 5th in Disposal efficiency, however in areas that have long been our strength our output was sub par, we ranked 1st in uncontested possessions, 15th in clearances, 15th in centre clearances, 14th in stoppages and 11th in contested possession.
Obviously Taylor Adams has been brought in which will help, and there is some improvement to come from our young brigade but I wouldn't be disappointed to see a Freeman picked up at 10. From what I've seen his disposal isn't bad, while he doesn't have a penetrating kick he seems to hit targets more often than not, mostly while running at top speed. He's an incredible athlete with his extreme pace and endurance.
Obviously Taylor Adams has been brought in which will help, and there is some improvement to come from our young brigade but I wouldn't be disappointed to see a Freeman picked up at 10. From what I've seen his disposal isn't bad, while he doesn't have a penetrating kick he seems to hit targets more often than not, mostly while running at top speed. He's an incredible athlete with his extreme pace and endurance.
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I believe statistically Ben Johnson gained more metres than Swan during the high phase of his career and was also among our more efficient kicks. There were certain myths about him that were never really dispelled because of his ungainly style and lack of right boot.
So with Shaw and Johnno gone and Swan entering the twilight phase perhaps we are looking for ground runner as a key priority. I can only assume that. I am a very big believer in skill over pace. Blind pace without the ability to hit targets is a false asset in a footy side. Kicking the ball well creates speed in a team. So I have mixed feeling s about Freeman. He seems a risk to me with his sketchy numbers and iffy composure but if the Club are backing him then I'll fall into line and hope that he's more Dangerfield and less Mark Fraser.
So with Shaw and Johnno gone and Swan entering the twilight phase perhaps we are looking for ground runner as a key priority. I can only assume that. I am a very big believer in skill over pace. Blind pace without the ability to hit targets is a false asset in a footy side. Kicking the ball well creates speed in a team. So I have mixed feeling s about Freeman. He seems a risk to me with his sketchy numbers and iffy composure but if the Club are backing him then I'll fall into line and hope that he's more Dangerfield and less Mark Fraser.
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I'm fairly certain that kicking long to a contest is classified as an effective disposal. Seeing as 9/10 times we're kicking the ball, it's long on top of Cloke's head, we ought to be ranked #1 in disposal efficiency.
For mine, I love the look of Scharenburg. Reminds me of Jimmy Clement. A player who can take an intercept mark then has the athleticism, confidence, and skill to immediately find space and deliver is worth his weight in gold. In modern football its often when your opponents have run forward into attack that the field opens up most for your team -- if you can win the ball back and rebound while they're out of position.
However, all I know is what I can glean from phantom drafts (many of which are 90% recycled bullshit) in the media and on the net, so I'm not informed enough to be dogmatic (for or against) any particular player, Scharenburg and Freeman included.
However, all I know is what I can glean from phantom drafts (many of which are 90% recycled bullshit) in the media and on the net, so I'm not informed enough to be dogmatic (for or against) any particular player, Scharenburg and Freeman included.
Aish@6 plz
Pretty sure that only applies to a 1v1 contest. Since Cloke is usually 1v2 they wouldn't be seen as effective kicks.
Scharenberg WILL be a superstar of the AFL however I am wary that Aish has the potential to turn out to be a Salopek. Classy, skilful, not particularly quick and not a game changer. All the attributes I see in Scharenberg I like - tough, outstanding reader of play, strong overhead, quick on his feet, makes VERY fast decisions and moves through traffic well. I would take him over Aish and most others.
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Agree 100%. I really hope we don't select Aish. Not tall, not overly quick, skinny, has had a shoulder reco in his teens. Seems to me to be a player that is good in many areas, but not elite in any. I could be proved to be completely wrong, and if we pick him, I hope I am. But I can't see how we could overlook Scharenberg.
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IMV, disposal efficiency is just about the most worthless stat there is. How many of our 'efficient' disposals are racked up by our painstakingly slow switches of play, for instance? I mean, I remember some years when Presti was operating at a higher disposal efficiency than Bucks cos he only ever trusted himself to kick sideways 20m to a teammate in oceans of space. More generally, I keep hearing players being cited as elite kicks cos they have an 80%+ efficiency rating. To me, I'd be a bit dubious if my best kicks were that effective. Seems counterintuitive, but I'd prefer my best kicks to have a lower disposal efficiency, cos that would show that they're taking the game on by foot, trying to hit decisive targets and not just safe targets. I doubt, for instance, if Bucks -- who was the best field kick I've seen -- ever finished a season with a disposal efficiency much higher than 75% (I'm just guessing). That's cos he used his supreme kicking skills to take some risks, to try and open the game up. Compare him to Sidebottom, for instance. Sidey often ends a game with very high disposal efficiency, but while he's generally a safe kick (will retain possession reliably), how constructive/dangerous a kick is he? Certainly not remotely in Bucks' class, despite what efficiency stats might tell you.
IMV, disposal efficiency is just about the most worthless stat there is. How many of our 'efficient' disposals are racked up by our painstakingly slow switches of play, for instance? I mean, I remember some years when Presti was operating at a higher disposal efficiency than Bucks cos he only ever trusted himself to kick sideways 20m to a teammate in oceans of space. More generally, I keep hearing players being cited as elite kicks cos they have an 80%+ efficiency rating. To me, I'd be a bit dubious if my best kicks were that effective. Seems counterintuitive, but I'd prefer my best kicks to have a lower disposal efficiency, cos that would show that they're taking the game on by foot, trying to hit decisive targets and not just safe targets. I doubt, for instance, if Bucks -- who was the best field kick I've seen -- ever finished a season with a disposal efficiency much higher than 75% (I'm just guessing). That's cos he used his supreme kicking skills to take some risks, to try and open the game up. Compare him to Sidebottom, for instance. Sidey often ends a game with very high disposal efficiency, but while he's generally a safe kick (will retain possession reliably), how constructive/dangerous a kick is he? Certainly not remotely in Bucks' class, despite what efficiency stats might tell you.
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