Mega Thread Port Forum General AFL Thread Part 25

[Grave Danger]

One crab for another honestly

They got Hateley for nothing. In both senses of the word. Sub crab.

 

[snozulu]

One crab for another honestly

Doesn't surprise me that they have crabs. Filthy flogs

 

[Andre]

Here's an idea, get rid of three from North, Bulldogs, Saints and Melbourne. With Tassie in, that's 16 teams. Have the fixture as Rounds 1 - 8, as normal, rounds 9 - 14 play as 'Carnival of footy #1', where games every day of the week, so 6 games across 3 weeks. Bye for all sides, rounds 15 - 22 as normal, rounds 23 - 28 'Carnival of footy #2' across 3 weeks. Rounds 29-30 as normal. Bye. Finals.

So 8 weeks + 3 + bye + 8 + 3 + 2 + bye = 26 weeks before finals. Given currently 24 weeks before finals, this is easy enough to do, with the season starting two weeks earlier.

Everyone plays each other twice, once home, once away. With 2 less teams, let teams increase list sizes by 4 or 5. There's two breaks, but to ensure players aren't overplayed, make it they can only play a maximum of 27 games across the H&A season, this gives 5 weeks off, when byes are included.

No need for wildcards, as half the sides are making finals, or unfair end of season fixtures. It makes too much sense for the AFL to ever go with though.

 

[Duck Farmer]

In this scenario would the premiership points already won prior to the conference break-up be reset to even?

No reset.

 

[Cheesey Mac]

No reset.

I feel like if there was no reset then there'd need to be something else built into it so that the teams already too far back to catch 13th would still have something to play for.

Like giving 13th to 18th lottery odds at pick 1, 2, and 3 like the NBA, and then each game in that remaining 5 games has a certain lottery percentage staked on it for the teams. So if the team in 13th beat the team in 16th then the team in 13th wins whatever the per game lottery stake was worth and 16th loses it... or something... There are dozens of ways they could work it out I suppose

 

[simba_]

move North Melbourne and St. Kilda to Hobart and Launceston, fold the Bulldogs for being pointless

 

[Capital Power]

move North Melbourne and St. Kilda to Hobart and Launceston, fold the Bulldogs for being pointless

Get outta here with your commonsense "national competition" nonsense

 

[Ford Fairlane]

 

[Schulzenfest]

In all seriousness this could work.

After 17 rounds break it up into three conferences: 1-6, 7-12, 13-18.

First conference plays for Top 6 positions.

Second conference plays for last two finals spots with teams 7-10 playing off in a "wildcard" round.

Third conference plays for draft order with 13 getting first pick down to 18 getting the sixth.

Gives everyone something to play for at the end of the season and eliminates tanking.

And means teams like Sydney having a one-off down year get Harley Reid while West Coast only get to add pick 6 to one of the worst lists of all time. Awful, awful idea.

 

[El Zorro]

Let's just be honest and split the competition into 2: VFL (Vic teams) and AFL (the rest). Each "conference" has a champion. The Champion of Australia is decided in a best of 3 GFs (MCG, Home AFL team and neutral).

I know it won't happen, but it would be more honest that calling the expanded VFL a national competition.

 

[EdgePower1870]

I would rather go to wet toast seagulls than Norf Hobart Roadkill

 

[Watto71]

Bottom 6 go into a lottery for the first 6 picks.
Shorten the quarters with no time on.
Make everyone play each other twice

 

[Interstater]

Just make the bottom two sides play in the SANFL for the following year.

There is your motivation not to tank.

 

[Mufc1975]

I'm looking forward to the reaction of the Vic based media when Reid after 1 season at west coast asks to be traded to a Melbourne based club. I trust there will be the same outrage and abuse that JHF received

 

[Windy Cindy]

He'll probably end up at Geelong with all the other headband wearers sporting that wanna-be "surfie"

Adelaide faces an even tougher task of beating Melbourne at the MCG on Sunday after ruling out star onballer Rory Laird.
Veteran midfielder Matt Crouch is expected to come in as a like-for-like replacement.

Wow an
Injury.. how will they cope.

 

[VineValerian]

Here's an idea, get rid of three from North, Bulldogs, Saints and Melbourne. With Tassie in, that's 16 teams. Have the fixture as Rounds 1 - 8, as normal, rounds 9 - 14 play as 'Carnival of footy #1', where games every day of the week, so 6 games across 3 weeks. Bye for all sides, rounds 15 - 22 as normal, rounds 23 - 28 'Carnival of footy #2' across 3 weeks. Rounds 29-30 as normal. Bye. Finals.

So 8 weeks + 3 + bye + 8 + 3 + 2 + bye = 26 weeks before finals. Given currently 24 weeks before finals, this is easy enough to do, with the season starting two weeks earlier.

Everyone plays each other twice, once home, once away. With 2 less teams, let teams increase list sizes by 4 or 5. There's two breaks, but to ensure players aren't overplayed, make it they can only play a maximum of 27 games across the H&A season, this gives 5 weeks off, when byes are included.

No need for wildcards, as half the sides are making finals, or unfair end of season fixtures. It makes too much sense for the AFL to ever go with though.

 

[240volt]

All this BS about bottom 6 play with themselves is stupid, it’s like everyone wins a prize no matter how shyt you are.

 

[Wargreymon90]

I didn’t mind the idea that each team plays 2 teams from each of the thirds for the last few rounds. Ie each team plays each other once and then gets double ups against 2 good sides, 2 average sides and 2 shit sides.

We should be pursuing as equitable draw as possible and this is the best solution yet.

There will always be bad sides with nothing to play for. The notion that giving them something to play for will make them less shit is fanciful.

Ps. I haven’t done the numbers to see if this is actually possible.

 

[Ford Fairlane]

I don't want to agree with Chris Scott

Chris Scott

Age

48

Ht

182cm

Wt

89kg

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Fwd

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Last 5

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16.6

4star

K

11.2

4star

HB

5.4

4star

M

5.1

5star

T

1.6

4star

G

0.4

3star

No current season stats available

D

13.2

4star

K

10.2

4star

HB

3.0

3star

M

2.2

3star

T

2.8

5star

G

0.4

3star

but the draft is so compromised it is absurd. May as well go back to zones.

 

[TazD]

How anyone can see the three Gold Coast academy kids as a bad thing for the game is beyond me.

 

[TeeKray]

The draft needs a total overhaul.

NGA is the biggest rort in the business. No evidence that any club does anything much to develop these players into draft prospects. It's basically just pot luck whether you end up with good prospects or not. Get rid of NGAs completely.

Father/son is worth keeping but clubs need to be made to pay an appropriate price. None of this 5 picks in the 50s equals pick 2 rubbish. Set some proper rules that pass the pub test and make clubs pay something resembling the right price.

The draft order also needs to change because right now it doesn't do enough to assist the bottom teams. Just think about it - 18th gets pick 1 whilst 1st gets pick 18, then 18th picks again at 19. So effectively, the wooden spoon team gets a total of 1 player over the team that wins the premiership. That's not enough in an 18 (soon to be 20) team competition. The bottom teams need more picks at the top end of the draft. The top teams should have to work harder and harder with shrewd drafting and trading to stay at the top because the bottom teams are getting access to all of the elite underage talent. That's proper equalisation, not the rubbish we have now where the teams at the top just need to execute a good trade or two or have a top pick like JHF demand a trade to them to basically totally negate any equalisation effect that the draft has on them as a top team. The effect of this will be that teams don't stay either good or bad for very long and that the competition as a whole is much more even - which is exactly what everyone should want.

 

[Duck Farmer]

And means teams like Sydney having a one-off down year get Harley Reid while West Coast only get to add pick 6 to one of the worst lists of all time.

West Coast have won a premiership more recently than Sydney. I'm sure they'd survive.

 

[Schulzenfest]

West Coast have won a premiership more recently than Sydney. I'm sure they'll survive.

You're fine with a team that made the Grand Final last year getting Harley Reid because they barely missed finals this year due to losing a couple more than their fair share of close ones?

 

[jdeezy]

The draft order also needs to change because right now it doesn't do enough to assist the bottom teams. Just think about it - 18th gets pick 1 whilst 1st gets pick 18, then 18th picks again at 19. So effectively, the wooden spoon team gets a total of 1 player over the team that wins the premiership. That's not enough in an 18 (soon to be 20) team competition. The bottom teams need more picks at the top end of the draft. The top teams should have to work harder and harder with shrewd drafting and trading to stay at the top because the bottom teams are getting access to all of the elite underage talent. That's proper equalisation, not the rubbish we have now where the teams at the top just need to execute a good trade or two or have a top pick like JHF demand a trade to them to basically totally negate any equalisation effect that the draft has on them as a top team. The effect of this will be that teams don't stay either good or bad for very long and that the competition as a whole is much more even - which is exactly what everyone should want.

They're all good points but this one is pretty interesting. How much does 1 first round player (even if it's pick 1) help an awful team go back to being competitive? You only need to look at Gary Ablett at Gold Coast to suggest 1 player isn't going to do a lot to make a difference, and that was an established player who was already one of the best around - what is a fresh JHF / Harley Reid or whatever supposed to do to drag a team up from the depths?

That being said, to again use Gold Coast as an example, but even your Carlton / Melbourne type multi year high draft hauls, is giving more highly rated kids to these clubs the answer, or is it just setting up more talented kids to languish in shit teams until their career fizzles out prematurely?

 

[Bevoman]

I would rather go to wet toast seagulls than Norf Hobart Roadkill

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