Mega Thread Port Forum General AFL Thread Part 27

[RussellEbertHandball]

Jimmy Bartel started it all giving the AFL a big swipe - Just get things done - on the 3AW pregame segment Why, Why, Why?? before we played Collingwood in Rd 6. Its a brilliant attack on a slothful AFL. His opening salvo was great

"Why, Why, Why?? have we got a player Charlie Cameron

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Charlie Cameron

Age

30

Ht

180cm

Wt

76kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.1

3star

K

8.4

3star

HB

3.7

3star

M

3.0

3star

T

3.2

5star

G

1.5

5star

D

9.6

2star

K

7.9

3star

HB

1.7

1star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.7

3star

G

1.9

5star

D

9.6

3star

K

5.4

2star

HB

4.2

4star

M

1.4

2star

T

3.4

5star

G

1.2

4star

who was eventually cleared, that game was on a Thursday night, but it took FIVE DAYS for us to have a tribunal hearing. We're at the AFL , a stacked football department, we constantly churn out the lines we're a professional business, we're a big business, we're a billion dollar business, then we fall into amateur hour stuff.

You don't have to actually manufacture anything, you don't have to produce anything, you don't have to present to any shareholders, you don't have to go thru government agencies. Your sole job is THE GAME!"

Caro as usual has to interrupt about Finlayson and Bartel cuts her off and says he's getting to it and he goes on thru how long that took and all the people that were told about it.

"Get things done! What are you doing there. Seriously! (Caro tries to interrupt again and he cuts her off again) We're handing out ambassadorships to football departments, were doing this, there is staff everywhere ..... why does it takes 5 days to get this stuff done??" Then everyone joins in for the last minute of the clip.

'Get things done!': Jimmy Bartel's gripe with the AFL - 3AW is Football

He wasn't happy with the slow reaction time by the league in regards to a couple of recent incidents.

omny.fm

 

[HugeJohnson]

The V/AFL is a disgusting Victorian cesspit of nepotism and grandeur and we are all idiots for following it as a 'competition'. Andrew Dillon is an old Xavier scholar, married to the daughter of the ex-president of the MCC and anyone that thinks he is going to change anything about the ridiculous advantages that elude clubs outside of Victoria or do anything to help the 'interstate' clubs is absolutely delusional. There needs to be a push for the AFL to start hiring from outside sources rather than this toxic continuation of promoting from within. Peter Malinauskas would be an ideal candidate from our point of view as the next CEO. The interstate clubs seriously need to start talking about a breakaway league and destroy this current administration. Tension is definitely rising across the competition, when did we ever hear people from inside clubs talk about the unfair travel situation and lobby for change like we have in the last few days from the WA clubs?

 

[Jojay]

I heard Timmy G say that the AFL employs over 1,000 staff (not including the clubs). How the hell?

No doubt 99.8% of them are all in Victoria.

 

[Holden Hillbilly]

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The AFL has instructed its umpires to immediately shorten the “reasonable time” component of holding the ball in a significant & rare in-season interpretation change. Clubs were on Tuesday night sent a memo notifying of the shift. More soon at http://SEN.com.au

 

[davesnothere]

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The AFL has instructed its umpires to immediately shorten the “reasonable time” component of holding the ball in a significant & rare in-season interpretation change. Clubs were on Tuesday night sent a memo notifying of the shift. More soon at http://SEN.com.au

Home ground advantage just got stronger.

"BALL" pretty much every possession.

 

[jdeezy]

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The AFL has instructed its umpires to immediately shorten the “reasonable time” component of holding the ball in a significant & rare in-season interpretation change. Clubs were on Tuesday night sent a memo notifying of the shift. More soon at http://SEN.com.au

Guess what teams going to be on the end of a bunch of 1 second holding calls this Thursday night then before the AFL pulls out back a bit for Friday. Butters and Horne on notice.

(I actually agree with the decision to make this change, I just feel whenever there's a rule change like this the first instinct is they pull it too far in the opposite direction but then they eventually soften it)

 

[yepits2020]

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The AFL has instructed its umpires to immediately shorten the “reasonable time” component of holding the ball in a significant & rare in-season interpretation change. Clubs were on Tuesday night sent a memo notifying of the shift. More soon at http://SEN.com.au

I think this means that the umpire will blow the whistle sooner after a tackle. Prior opportunity is not changing.

 

[Shaucob_Burjan]

I might be one of the few that does not have a problem with HTB.

If you 360 a player and don't bring them to ground (and they use the 360 to see their handball option) then that is not a complete tackle. It makes the game quicker and rewards players first to the ball and genuinely skilled players.

HTB should not be rewarded for simply touching someone with a ball, you need to actually bring them to ground or take away their hands to not dispose the ball.

In my eyes the player being tackled can take as much time as they want while being tackled as long as their hands are free to dispose.

 

[EskimoPAFC]

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The AFL has instructed its umpires to immediately shorten the “reasonable time” component of holding the ball in a significant & rare in-season interpretation change. Clubs were on Tuesday night sent a memo notifying of the shift. More soon at http://SEN.com.au

Changing the rules mid-season after teams would have trained a certain way will by definition benefit some teams and harm others.

Its absolute bush league unprofessional garbage.

 

[SureBuddy]

I might be one of the few that does not have a problem with HTB.

If you 360 a player and don't bring them to ground (and they use the 360 to see their handball option) then that is not a complete tackle. It makes the game quicker and rewards players first to the ball and genuinely skilled players.

HTB should not be rewarded for simply touching someone with a ball, you need to actually bring them to ground or take away their hands to not dispose the ball.

In my eyes the player being tackled can take as much time as they want while being tackled as long as their hands are free to dispose.

But that is exactly the problem everyone is complaining about. It is far too risky to bring anyone to ground now, as they risk a dangerous tackle and suspension / free kick being paid. So a lot of the time players are not doing that, causing this massive confusion.

 

[It Just Is]

Changing the rules mid-season after teams would have trained a certain way will by definition benefit some teams and harm others.

It’s absolute bush league unprofessional garbage.

Actually worse than bush leagues. In bush leagues, and any non-AFL comp, everyone knows what is holding the ball because they didn’t try to manipulate the ‘interpretation’ in the first place.

 

[Troopsy]

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The AFL has instructed its umpires to immediately shorten the “reasonable time” component of holding the ball in a significant & rare in-season interpretation change. Clubs were on Tuesday night sent a memo notifying of the shift. More soon at http://SEN.com.au

It’s going to be great watching this on Thursday. Watch us be reamed while Walsh or Cripps get away with throwing the ball as per usual.

 

[Festerz]

Changing the rules mid-season after teams would have trained a certain way will by definition benefit some teams and harm others.

Its absolute bush league unprofessional garbage.

C'mon mate.

We all know that knee-jerk rule/policy changes always result in the best outcomes.

And a sign that the game is in good hands under the leadership of Dillon and Kane.

Rejoice in the fact that Port will be the crash test dummies for the latest brain fart rule interpretation change to come from AFL House.

 

[Buget]

Changing the rules mid-season after teams would have trained a certain way will by definition benefit some teams and harm others.

Its absolute bush league unprofessional garbage.

All rule changes benefit some teams more than others.

Take the changes in the ruck rule this year. Gawn now looks like a god, whilst English (the current AA ruck) is terrible.

 

[Sleezy]

But that is exactly the problem everyone is complaining about. It is far too risky to bring anyone to ground now, as they risk a dangerous tackle and suspension / free kick being paid. So a lot of the time players are not doing that, causing this massive confusion.

To my eye, the problem is not so much the lingering tackle while Cripps or JHF ride it with their hipa, with their arms free, waiting for an option.

The problem tackles are where the player is wrapped up, arms pinned, and the umpire waits, the tackler can't risk taking them to ground, and the umpire waits, until the tackler has to choose to take the player to ground, or lose control and let ball spill free. Just blow the whistle, pay the free if it's there or ball it up, farken.

 

[Ford Fairlane]

How big will the over-correction be and which clubs will suffer the most? And how long will it take to trend back to the mean?

I remember years ago when they decided to 'reward the tackler' and Stewie Dew was called for holding the ball as he brushed through a tackle that delayed him for a nanosecond.

 

[MrMeaner]

Last time I checked the WA teams have 4 flags between them as compared to 3 for SA, 3 for Queensland and 2 for NSW. So whatever impact the extra travel has obviously isn't too bad compared to their equivalents outside of Victoria.

I'm sure Fremantle enjoyed their, on average, 2 flags.

 

[MrMeaner]

Essentially, the AFL has answered the criticism about confusion by saying 'hold my beer, you ain't seen nothing yet'.

 

[FrankDrebin]

Yeah this rule is going to kill JHF. Already gave the most free kicks away in the AFL last season (i presume most were HTB) so under these new rules/interpretation he will get slaughtered (although saying that it seems as though he has been done for HTB far less this year so maybe he is already adjusting).

 

[Shaucob_Burjan]

Yeah this rule is going to kill JHF. Already gave the most free kicks away in the AFL last season (i presume most were HTB) so under these new rules/interpretation he will get slaughtered (although saying that it seems as though he has been done for HTB far less this year so maybe he is already adjusting).

Eh it might slightly hurt bigger body mids like Wines and JHF but I feel overall we benefit considering how skinny Rozee, Butters, Mead etc are.

McEntee might be able to register a tackle now.

I think the ultra defensive teams like us benefit.

 

[Ford Fairlane]

 

[EskimoPAFC]

All rule changes benefit some teams more than others.

Take the changes in the ruck rule this year. Gawn now looks like a god, whilst English (the current AA ruck) is terrible.

Agree with this but at least if the rule changes happen between seasons then there is a chance for sides to prepare.

 

[Ford Fairlane]

 

[TeeKray]

I'm sure Fremantle enjoyed their, on average, 2 flags.

Just as much as we enjoyed our, on average, 1.5 flags

 

[NoddyHolder]

I note there were no examples of players having prior opportunity to dispose of the ball, get tackled, given an eternity and then drop the ball, for the umpires to call play on.

That's the one that's the biggest problem for me