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[Hammer#8]

The COLA was taken away when the AFL caught wind that it was used to get the biggest recruits in the trade period (Tippett/Buddy).

Imagine if the Swans win the flag and then recruit Naughton.

 

[Ford Fairlane]

 

[Buget]

Can I say, I still don’t think that is correct?

In the Pendlebury/Neale contest, Pendlebury didn’t really stick the tackle. Whilst in Cripps/Hayward tackle, Hayward had an eternity to dispose of the ball.

And what about the incorrect disposal call? (Or was that what the Neale HTB was?)

 

[Buget]

The COLA was taken away when the AFL caught wind that it was used to get the biggest recruits in the trade period (Tippett/Buddy).

Imagine if the Swans win the flag and then recruit Naughton.

The article implies (but does specifically state) it is more connected to the soft cap and assistant coaches than players.

I believe the average wage for a junior assistance coach is $120k. That is not much if you have to relocate a family and given the current housing shortfall in Sydney.

If it’s an AFL administered thing (ie, the club only have the existing soft cap) then the AFL pays the allowance (ie, they can’t horde for 1 person), I think it’s reasonable.

I would even stretch it to first contract rookies on the playing list. In saying that though, having been on an interns wage, in Sydney, those rookies have nothing to worry about.

 

[OneGreatClub]

Ray Chamberlain provides insight into tweaked holding the ball adjudication

“I think it’ll look like 2006.”

www.sen.com.au

 

[Ford Fairlane]

Can I say, I still don’t think that is correct?

In the Pendlebury/Neale contest, Pendlebury didn’t really stick the tackle. Whilst in Cripps/Hayward tackle, Hayward had an eternity to dispose of the ball.

And what about the incorrect disposal call? (Or was that what the Neale HTB was?)

I didn't mind those interpretations. The West Coast one in the middle was a bit sudden death compared to all the others, but even though his arm was pinned he could have tried to drop the ball onto his boot.

But ideal vs reality ...

 

[Alberton Proud]

AFL trolling the Crows

Nice work !

 

[tribey]

The Clarkson thing is a bit mad isn’t it?

From the most lauded coach of the century to potentially the worst season in history (I don’t think any other club has even lost 23 in a season).

Pagan to Carlton vibes, in a Sheedy’s Giants setting.

They’ll eventually come good, but burning the last years of his coaching acumen on an ongoing scorched earth rebuild more befitting a younger, fitter, hungrier hands-on coach relatively fresh out of the caper, is wild.

They’re still behind where he started at with Hawthorn in 2005, and they had Hodge, Mitchell and Croad about to pop with baby Franklin/Roughead/Lewis in the stellar nursery.

 

[Enviable Tradition]

Yeah this rule is going to kill JHF. Already gave the most free kicks away in the AFL last season (i presume most were HTB) so under these new rules/interpretation he will get slaughtered (although saying that it seems as though he has been done for HTB far less this year so maybe he is already adjusting).

He's learning the difference between juniors where he could do it all alone and seniors where he needs to bring his team mates into the game too.

 

[Gryllis]

Umpires attended Collingwood training to show players how the new HTB rule will be officiated.

Even by the AFL's standards, how can that be allowed?

 

[Duckimus Prime]

I think the only one that is changed from the decision made by the umpire is the third one with West Coast Eagles player Chesser, which was given as a ball up, but is now going to holding the ball.

So the AFL says we've got a new interpretation for holding the ball, here's a bunch of videos where the decision doesn't change because of that interpretation.

I think they also had this reduced "reasonable time" intepretation at the start of the year. None of these are even problematic examples. The problem is things like Charlie Curnow, who was tackled without prior and then given an eternity to dispose of the ball. And the coaches have actually been asking for the umpires to call a ball up quicker.

 

[Duckimus Prime]

I note there were no examples of players having prior opportunity to dispose of the ball, get tackled, given an eternity and then drop the ball, for the umpires to call play on.

That's the one that's the biggest problem for me

You're getting into a disagreements on prior opporunity here.

Because that doesn't happen. The response will be "we don't consider the tacklee to have had prior here". The AFL is more lenient than you want it to be.

Holding the ball when a player clearly has prior opportunity is well umpired, especially for making players need to get a legal disposal. They're actually probably harsh on their interpretation of whether a disposal was legal or not with handballs. Sometimes a bit slack on the immediate side though, allowing a player too long to get rid of the ball when they've had prior.

 

[NoddyHolder]

You're getting into a disagreements on prior opporunity here.

Because that doesn't happen. The response will be "we don't consider the tacklee to have had prior here". The AFL is more lenient than you want it to be.

Holding the ball when a player clearly has prior opportunity is well umpired, especially for making players need to get a legal disposal. They're actually probably harsh on their interpretation of whether a disposal was legal or not with handballs. Sometimes a bit slack on the immediate side though, allowing a player too long to get rid of the ball when they've had prior.

my biggest issue is the dropping of the ball when tackled being called play on, rather than splitting hairs over how much time is needed for prior opportunity

 

[Alberton Proud]

Umpires attended Collingwood training to show players how the new HTB rule will be officiated.

What, in their favour ?

 

[Doctor Feel]

my biggest issue is the dropping of the ball when tackled being called play on, rather than splitting hairs over how much time is needed for prior opportunity

Ball comes out without a legal disposal, HTB. Not that ****ing hard. Even if they have no prior, if they drop the foody its HTB.

 

[Schulzenfest]

Ball comes out without a legal disposal, HTB. Not that ****ing hard. Even if they have no prior, if they drop the foody its HTB.

This would lead to 50 HTB's a game.

 

[Doctor Feel]

This would lead to 50 HTB's a game.

Disagree. Players would modify behaviour and focus more on protecting their possession. If anything probably more stoppages.

 

[TeeKray]

Disagree. Players would modify behaviour and focus more on protecting their possession. If anything probably more stoppages.

That would suck even more than what's happening now.

 

[Doctor Feel]

That would suck even more than what's happening now.

See i'm not so sure. I don't mind midfields genuinely battling it out for clean possession and break or to space.

 

[TeeKray]

See i'm not so sure. I don't mind midfields genuinely battling it out for clean possession and break or to space.

Theoretically yes at the start of the game when both teams are trying to score, etc. But what do you think that looks like at the start of the last quarter with one team leading by four goals? It would be diabolical.

 

[It Just Is]

Paying a free kick when someone drops the ball is the quickest way to clear the shit

 

[Doctor Feel]

lol how ****ing dumb is the whole "knocked out in the tackle" thing. How could you possibly judge that accurately and fairly.

 

[Ford Fairlane]

Can't believe we let him go

 

[It Just Is]

lol how ****ing dumb is the whole "knocked out in the tackle" thing. How could you possibly judge that accurately and fairly.

It used to mean play on if someone slapped the ball out of a players hands without effecting a tackle.

Some idiot at AFL house then decided to apply it to being nailed in a tackle. So dumb.

 

[afl2004]

Should be immediately holding the ball if you run into a pack just to suck up numbers