Training Pre Season '24

[tiger_tough]

Turns out the camel was Louey Meehans idea, according to an article in the age

WGAF?

 

[Cleansweep17]

I know it was just match sim but I really hope our disposal cleans up quite a bit between now and the start of the season, otherwise we will be using our extra fitness to just chase the ball on turnovers.

I think Kingy was saying we are kicking the ball at lot more now and handballing less. Will be interesting as that’s not what made us good in the past. Not sure about you but as soon as I see us kicking long high ball entries in F50 I know we’ve lost the match. Hope this is not the case in 2024.

 

[tiger_tough]

No dwelling on past glories: How Adem Yze hopes to revive Richmond

The new Tigers coach sees danger in focusing on the club’s glorious recent past and opens up on his plans: moving Noah Balta forward, how to make the most of Dustin Martin in the twilight of his career, and how to turn Shai Bolton into an All-Australian forward.

www.theage.com.au

Copy link into 12ft and you can read it, if its paywalled

 

[Hank Heavenly]

I think Kingy was saying we are kicking the ball at lot more now and handballing less. Will be interesting as that’s not what made us good in the past. Not sure about you but as soon as I see us kicking long high ball entries in F50 I know we’ve lost the match. Hope this is not the case in 2024.

Thats only half correct IMO...

If we got the ball in quickly when it's only 1v1's, then the high ball in would benefit Lynch and Jack (in the past obviously).

Where we go wrong is, we wait to set up defensively behind the ball, which allows the Oppo to flood numbers back, THEN we bomb it in to 1v2's and 1v3's, thats when we have lost the match

 

[tiger_tough]

Interesting -

• Richmond’s game style would only be tweaked, but the heavy early focus will be on reasserting team defence.
• Dustin Martin will spend more time on the ball than forward and trained over summer exclusively as a midfielder.
• Shai Bolton, in contrast, will only be sparingly used as a midfielder. Bolton will adopt a Cyril Rioli-type balance, only attending one centre bounce a quarter on average and spending most of his time forward. Yze believes Bolton could be an All-Australian small forward.

 

[Coach_Required]

I think Kingy was saying we are kicking the ball at lot more now and handballing less. Will be interesting as that’s not what made us good in the past. Not sure about you but as soon as I see us kicking long high ball entries in F50 I know we’ve lost the match. Hope this is not the case in 2024.

I think from what I saw Yze wants them to get the ball into our forward line as quickly as possible and generally that means a long kick, however as you said and also from what we saw in the match sim it was terrible and sloppy.
I'm hoping the conditions had some effect to our tall forwards not getting a sniff as it seemed a bit breezy, but we need a lot of work over the next 8 weeks on this area.
It's funny though because when they moved the ball quickly through handball chains and then a 30-40 metre kick into the forward line we looked bloody good.

 

[LTT]

Ok i got to watch the 2nd half of the match Sim and got to say it was very different to the 1st half.

Also noticed Maurice went from the red team to the yellow team after half time.

Yellow Team
60 kicks 26 handballs

Red Team
55 kicks 38 handballs

So perhaps King was referencing the 2nd half more than the first. However, I didn't feel like our kicking was over the top, a lot of short kicks to players leading diagonal, over the top stuff really. Was fairly effective. It's our long kicks into 50 i have concern with, they didnt improve in the 2nd half.

Yellow Team
I felt came out of the blocks in the 2nd and looked too good, noticed we had Bolton, Graham & Dow in the centre, Bolton looked far more interested and was a class above early. It was interesting though, I felt the Yellow team stopped running and that's where the Red team got into the game. Yellow seems to rely on their kicking more, however towards the end you could tell Bolton stepped it up and pretty much won the game at the end with his last 5 minutes.

Red Team
I thought they out played Yellow for most of the 2nd half, Taranto, Hopper & McAuliffe in the middle looked to be running over the top of Baker, Graham, Dow & Bolton. The Red team had some nice link up work in the 2nd half and probably could have done better except their kicking for goal at one point undid their good work.

What i will say about the match sim is gee there were a lot of ball ups, out on the fulls and throw ins. Perhaps it's just early season cobwebs and not being clean early in the contest that results in more ball ups & crap kicking.

My concerns are similar, Kosi just couldn't get near it, 1st half was due to s**t kicking from the team, second half was i think a lack of intent from Yellow so didn't get the opportunities. Balta needs more work, a lot as saying that's because he isn't a forward, fair enough but he will continue to play up forward I have no doubt. Even if Lynch comes back, Tom can't do it all. Balta forward its here to stay.

Gibcus needed that hit out IMO will get better for it however Lefau took a good body mark on him in the 2nd half that resulted in him swapping with Young, then Fawcett took a nice grab on Gibcus so it was certainly a match up problem, just not sure why Red didn't use it more to their favour.

I think the stand outs for me were Martin in the 1st half, Bolton in the 2nd half and Hopper in the middle. Wish I could say more were but I didn't think so.

Good assessment. I think the lack of possession by all the forwards may be a result of the forward/midfield disconnect. The midfielders need to learn when the forwards are going to lead and the forwards need to learn when the midfield is going to kick long or short. The only way that coordination happens is with practice and until the coordination happens the forwards will look slow and even disinterested. I wouldn’t expect this to be solved before the start of the season to be honest.

 

[Coach_Required]

Interesting -

• Richmond’s game style would only be tweaked, but the heavy early focus will be on reasserting team defence.
• Dustin Martin will spend more time on the ball than forward and trained over summer exclusively as a midfielder.
• Shai Bolton, in contrast, will only be sparingly used as a midfielder. Bolton will adopt a Cyril Rioli-type balance, only attending one centre bounce a quarter on average and spending most of his time forward. Yze believes Bolton could be an All-Australian small forward.

You can tell we really have been working on team defence, a lot of pointing and positioning off the ball in the match Sim. Reckon Dusty midfield is true as well from what we saw. Bolton though especially in the 2nd half played mid most of the time with Dow, Graham & Baker, I felt he was a bit quiet in the 1st half so maybe Yze wanted to see how he went on ball and he went great.

What I also saw was Bolton, Graham and Baker rotated through midfield a bit then went forward when they werent playing in the square.

 

[tiger_tough]

Music to my ears. Our stoppage work has been atrocious for years.

“They’ve always, as a club, had an offensive brand – fast, high handball, gain territory, and they were always quite scary to coach against. But I noticed different things on their defence and around stoppage (in recent years). So the way that we set up around stoppage is going to be different.


“They’ve had a stoppage mode that they’ve always gone with, but we’ve got different personnel right now. We’ve got two inside bulls (Jacob Hopper

2

Jacob Hopper

Age

27

Ht

187cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

21.0

5star

K

9.9

4star

HB

11.1

5star

M

2.9

3star

T

4.5

5star

CL

4.3

5star

D

17.6

4star

K

8.8

4star

HB

8.9

4star

M

2.4

3star

T

4.6

5star

CL

4.0

5star

D

18.6

5star

K

8.4

4star

HB

10.2

5star

M

4.0

4star

T

3.8

5star

CL

3.4

5star

and Tim Taranto

14

Tim Taranto

Age

26

Ht

188cm

Wt

87kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

22.3

5star

K

12.8

5star

HB

9.5

5star

M

3.6

4star

T

5.6

5star

CL

4.1

5star

D

17.0

4star

K

12.0

5star

HB

5.0

3star

M

1.5

2star

T

3.0

4star

CL

5.5

5star

D

15.6

4star

K

7.6

3star

HB

8.0

5star

M

1.8

2star

T

4.0

5star

CL

2.2

4star

) that have come to the club that I think we can generate some more stoppage wins [from].

 

[Coach_Required]

Music to my ears. Our stoppage work has been atrocious for years.

For sure, good to see we are also going to use Hopper the way he should be used. Perhaps our sets ups last year werent to his favour so he was up against it from the start. He did look pretty good in our match sim.

 

[Muddiemoose]

Music to my ears. Our stoppage work has been atrocious for years.

I like that fact that he seems to be not ripping up the entire old gameplan more using what he has learned when coaching against us as weaknesses that other teams exploited and working to change up those aspects

 

[tiger_tough]

Bolton will dominate playing as a legit small forward.

 

[Dunger]

Part time footballer , according to doctor Meehan it’s the fittest he has ever been

Prestia was in the rehab group doing laps with Bol last week...

Why did they play him in the match sim?

 

[rfctigerarmy]

Bolton will dominate playing as a legit small forward.

We wont get it down there

 

[Coach_Required]

We wont get it down there

Our midfield isn't the problem.

 

[SplintWhisky]

Prestia was in the rehab group doing laps with Bol last week...

Why did they play him in the match sim?

Why wouldn't we risk him? Meehan knew that this match Sim was a must win game that had serious implications for the top 8.

 

[Coach_Required]

Prestia was in the rehab group doing laps with Bol last week...

Why did they play him in the match sim?

I reckon he was going to play a half like Dusty did. Dusty was also in the rehab group last week.

 

[_RT_]

Prestia was in the rehab group doing laps with Bol last week...

Why did they play him in the match sim?

Doesn't necessarily mean he was injured. It could simply be a case of load management saw him train away from the main group for a day.

 

[biaseddustyfan]

farken meatball will be out for 3 months

 

[rfctigerarmy]

farken meatball will be out for 3 months

Wont play round 1

 

[Hank Heavenly]

Butcher strikes again

 

[Ctl]

Did Sonsie look slow to you? That was my perception

Yeh, he did look a bit heavy footed and fatigued at stages as well.

 

[one eyedtiger]

farken meatball will be out for 3 months

Not quite, you got the 3 right though!

Richmond confirms that midfielder Dion Prestia suffered a minor hamstring injury in Wednesday night’s match simulation.

The 31-year-old will not play in the Club’s hit-out against Melbourne on February 18. However, he remains a chance to feature in the Community Series match against Collingwood on February 26.

Dion Prestia injury update

Dion Prestia will train away from the main group for the short term following a minor hamstring injury.

www.richmondfc.com.au

 

[Bojangles17]

Interesting -

• Richmond’s game style would only be tweaked, but the heavy early focus will be on reasserting team defence.
• Dustin Martin will spend more time on the ball than forward and trained over summer exclusively as a midfielder.
• Shai Bolton, in contrast, will only be sparingly used as a midfielder. Bolton will adopt a Cyril Rioli-type balance, only attending one centre bounce a quarter on average and spending most of his time forward. Yze believes Bolton could be an All-Australian small forward.

Reckon shai is more devastating around the ball with his breakaway speed , would need a very solid > 45G season to make this worthwhile , I’d be using Clarke and coult or cumbo in this role

 

[Coach_Required]

Did Sonsie look slow to you? That was my perception

Wasn't slow, just didn't get his hands on it. Looks like the club was trying to play him in a half forward role which I don't think he knows how to play.

Reckon the kid could be a very good mid but we have so much depth in that area it is going to be hard for Sonsie to push his way through. Taranto, Hopper, Dusty, Baker, Graham, Dow, Prestia & Bolton. Reckon McAuliffe has even taken a spot from him going by the match sim.