Pre Season Draft and Rookie selections

[LukeParkerno1]

stop embarrasing yourself you clown, you have NFI about anything related to the EFC or even the AFL. I'll remember this post when Arrowsmith forges a carrer in the AFL through sheer hard work, determination and leadership, but then again you wouldn't have the foggiest idea about arrowsmith because i highly doubt you have seen him play or gone down to Windy hill to watch him train in the few weeks he was there. He was a player that should have been picked ahead of Atkinson.


BTW it's Robertson not Robinson.

Why should he have been picked before Atkinson? In the end Atkinson fills a need we have, and I think he was a decent choice in the PSD to be honest. Arrowsmith may forge a career at the WCE, but he has a lot of work to do. My feelingwhenI have seen him (and i have seen him more than once) is that he goes soft too often, and I just think we have WAY too many outside players anyway. There would not be a place for him in our lineup. So again why would we pick a player who is soft on more than one occassion and a player whom we lready have enouh of his tpe of plyers on our list!

 

[Longy413]

In the end Atkinson fills a need we have

What need is that?

 

[goodgolly24]

Re: Jarrod Atkinson - Ex Rumbalara

I don't think there is disappointment, just people with different opinions.
We all have them.

Just because you know him, doesn't make him any better of a footballer.



That's a load of crap, you don't know what footy myself or foj have seen.

There is plenty of reasons, the primary reason being we both think there were better options. However, we both support the kid and wish him well.



Crap, Dunn has received no media coverage.

I don't particularly rate Arrowsmith and I don't think foj rates him overly highly either.



If you took your head out of your backside and looked past "they're bagging my mate" you'll see he's received plenty of credit and the arguements against him have been carefully explained rather than just writing the young bloke off.



No one says he doesn't, not once has anyone said he's no good. He has nothing to offer.



Again, if you care to read what has been said, you'll see the assessments come from watching him play.

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MAAATTTTEEEE!!!!! Normally I couldn't ive a continental when people shoot me down, so long as I deserved it! But you've just taken it to another level.
I'm not sure what I said to insult YOU, but from your post it would appear you've taken it quite personally!! Not once did I indicate anyone specifically, but if you put your self in that catagory then thats not any fault of mine!
You've made alot of points here, but I think you've made them off your own bat, twisting my words around to suit your arguement.
Now my statement was made after reading not just this thread but others also. But as I said, I never hung any particular one person out to dry, because everyone's got a right to their own opinion!! Now what I will say is that you were right in saying that just because I know him does;nt make him a better footballer. But I do know football to a degree and that's what i was baseing my veiw on (you twitt!!) Now the Examples I used (dunn, arrowsmith) were exactly that EXAMPLES! words used for one to relate and relay ones chain of thought!!! so don't read too much into the names I mentioned because they were just examples, because i couldn't think of any other names!!!!
Now the whole point of me making my origanal post was to show my support for Jarrod. Not to brag about how good a coach or recruting officer i could be. Or to show how well i know about the workings of the draft system, because im not and i don't. at leaste not as well as some think they do.
I don't know if there was anyone better for his position, but he will make the most of his oppertunity now. And from what I know I think he's earnt it.

 

[7zark7]

Re: Jarrod Atkinson - Ex Rumbalara

I don't think there is disappointment, just people with different opinions.
We all have them.

Just because you know him, doesn't make him any better of a footballer.



That's a load of crap, you don't know what footy myself or foj have seen.

There is plenty of reasons, the primary reason being we both think there were better options. However, we both support the kid and wish him well.



Crap, Dunn has received no media coverage.

I don't particularly rate Arrowsmith and I don't think foj rates him overly highly either.



If you took your head out of your backside and looked past "they're bagging my mate" you'll see he's received plenty of credit and the arguements against him have been carefully explained rather than just writing the young bloke off.



No one says he doesn't, not once has anyone said he's no good. He has nothing to offer.



Again, if you care to read what has been said, you'll see the assessments come from watching him play.

Why be so harsh?

He also never said that knowing him personally makes him a better footballer.

 

[7zark7]

Re: Jarrod Atkinson - Ex Rumbalara

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MAAATTTTEEEE!!!!! Normally I couldn't ive a continental when people shoot me down, so long as I deserved it! But you've just taken it to another level.
I'm not sure what I said to insult YOU, but from your post it would appear you've taken it quite personally!! Not once did I indicate anyone specifically, but if you put your self in that catagory then thats not any fault of mine!
You've made alot of points here, but I think you've made them off your own bat, twisting my words around to suit your arguement.
Now my statement was made after reading not just this thread but others also. But as I said, I never hung any particular one person out to dry, because everyone's got a right to their own opinion!! Now what I will say is that you were right in saying that just because I know him does;nt make him a better footballer. But I do know football to a degree and that's what i was baseing my veiw on (you twitt!!) Now the Examples I used (dunn, arrowsmith) were exactly that EXAMPLES! words used for one to relate and relay ones chain of thought!!! so don't read too much into the names I mentioned because they were just examples, because i couldn't think of any other names!!!!
Now the whole point of me making my origanal post was to show my support for Jarrod. Not to brag about how good a coach or recruting officer i could be. Or to show how well i know about the workings of the draft system, because im not and i don't. at leaste not as well as some think they do.
I don't know if there was anyone better for his position, but he will make the most of his oppertunity now. And from what I know I think he's earnt it.

Don't worry mate I am not sure what the deal was with his personal attack.

I think it is a case of a bit of sand in the vagina.

 

[SOT4]

What need is that?

Clearly bombersno1 feels we are short of HBF.

 

[ant555]

Re: Jarrod Atkinson - Ex Rumbalara

The rookie draft is surely designed to take a risk on players with injury concerns. We carried Courtney johns-though the jury is still out- while he got fit and I would have much preferred to take a chance with Ryley Dunn.
Dunn, Trotter, Valenti, Arrowsmith, Laidler, Morris, Hockey, Normington, Dell Aquilla, Jolley and Callinan all spring to mind as preffered candidates but as I said previously I truly hope I am wrong and Knights did coach him last year.

The same as the rookie system is good for picking out players like Atkinson who showed considerable improvement in one season in the VFL. The risks are all pretty much the same. Atkinson has to continue improving to make it at AFL level. There is no questioning that but at this stage he is just as good a prospect as anyone you mentioned. There are no guarantee's with any of the kids or Dunn who has a proven track record in getting injured twice a season.
The thing Atkinson has in his favour is that if he does continue to improve he will be ready to play next year where some of the kids will more than likely still be a year or two away. With a decent pre season under his belt i think he will surprise a few people.

 

[ant555]

Clearly bombersno1 feels we are short of HBF.

Who has also played on the wing and as a half forward
I have probaly seen him play more last year than anyone here and i dont have a problem with his selection. He came a long way in a short period of time in 2007.

 

[ant555]

stop embarrasing yourself you clown, you have NFI about anything related to the EFC or even the AFL. I'll remember this post when Arrowsmith forges a carrer in the AFL through sheer hard work, determination and leadership, but then again you wouldn't have the foggiest idea about arrowsmith because i highly doubt you have seen him play or gone down to Windy hill to watch him train in the few weeks he was there. He was a player that should have been picked ahead of Atkinson.


BTW it's Robertson not Robinson.

And you think you do ?
I have seen both of them play (Atkinson in 13 games last year and Arrowsmith in 10) and im more than happy that we took Atkinson. I also went down and seen both boys train and they where both very profesional in their approach.
Lets face it both boys have an uphill battle to make it .

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Re: Jarrod Atkinson - Ex Rumbalara

I didn't mind the Atkinson selection, but why did we used the PSD pick on him? I would have thought our first Rookie pick would have been enough to get him anyway.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

What need is that?

a wing or a half forward, plus the ability to be a rebounding half back flanker. I think he is way more versatile than Arrowsmith is to say the least. Arrowsmith is extremely outside in terms of a midfielder!

 

[foj1]

We can debate this until the cows come home but Knights coached atkinson last year and must feel he is a realistic chance to make it.
The cold hard truth is Knights cant afford too many mistakes early as his appointment certainly raised some eyebrows and he feel heat for percieved errors.
I do hope Atkinson isnt a waste of space like Okeefe was though. I thought very little of him at calder and he didnt dispell any of my doubts during his short tenure at Essendon.

 

[foj1]

a wing or a half forward, plus the ability to be a rebounding half back flanker. I think he is way more versatile than Arrowsmith is to say the least. Arrowsmith is extremely outside in terms of a midfielder!

Arrowsmith has played wing, half forward and half back- in first year TAC cup. How many goalkicking mids do we have?
Arrowsmith is no more outside than lots of other kids who get drafted.

 

[ant555]

We can debate this until the cows come home but Knights coached atkinson last year and must feel he is a realistic chance to make it.
The cold hard truth is Knights cant afford too many mistakes early as his appointment certainly raised some eyebrows and he feel heat for percieved errors.
I do hope Atkinson isnt a waste of space like Okeefe was though. I thought very little of him at calder and he didnt dispell any of my doubts during his short tenure at Essendon.

I think the issue is debating the worth of on guy against the next guys when they are rookie listed players. Chances are none of them will make it anyway.Yes there have been some very good players come of rookie list but it is not a regualr occurance at every club every year. Most years you will have had a win if you can get one of your rookies to play some senior footy. Lets face it we are talking the bottom end of a draft where the depth wasnt overly strong. Whoever we picked up is likely to have a real struggle on their hands to get onto the main list let alone become a regular senior player.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Arrowsmith has played wing, half forward and half back- in first year TAC cup. How many goalkicking mids do we have?
Arrowsmith is no more outside than lots of other kids who get drafted.

Monries, Jetta, Houli, Lovett..that is 4 that are goalkicking mids. And at least Atkinson hasn't got a reputation of going soft when the heat is on. I don't mind Atkinson, however I would have picked him up with a Rookie pick!

 

[ant555]

Re: Jarrod Atkinson - Ex Rumbalara

I didn't mind the Atkinson selection, but why did we used the PSD pick on him? I would have thought our first Rookie pick would have been enough to get him anyway.

We didnt , he was taken in the second round of the rookie draft.

 

[ant555]

Monries, Jetta, Houli, Lovett..that is 4 that are goalkicking mids. And at least Atkinson hasn't got a reputation of going soft when the heat is on. I don't mind Atkinson, however I would have picked him up with a Rookie pick!

We did

 

[LukeParkerno1]

We did

Arrh yes..who was the one we used the PSD pick on again?

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Re: Jarrod Atkinson - Ex Rumbalara

Yep, I was talking about Williams. You are right though.

 

[The Dustbin]

Monries, Jetta, Houli, Lovett..that is 4 that are goalkicking mids. And at least Atkinson hasn't got a reputation of going soft when the heat is on. I don't mind Atkinson, however I would have picked him up with a Rookie pick!

That will go down like a Bangkok prostitute.

How could you not know!!!

 

[jetta2davey]

And you think you do ?
I have seen both of them play (Atkinson in 13 games last year and Arrowsmith in 10) and im more than happy that we took Atkinson. I also went down and seen both boys train and they where both very profesional in their approach.
Lets face it both boys have an uphill battle to make it .

Yes i do.

No offence because i know you do a lot for this forum with training reports and such, but sometimes you act like you are the only one around that knows anything

 

[SOT4]

Re: Jarrod Atkinson - Ex Rumbalara

I didn't mind the Atkinson selection, but why did we used the PSD pick on him? I would have thought our first Rookie pick would have been enough to get him anyway.

Hahahaha

Oh man, it's gems like that that make me glad I took you off ignore. Can we take this as your level of research when you blast 90% of Essendon's selections?

 

[Burzum]

Luckily I still have bombersno1 on ignore.

 

[ant555]

Yes i do.

No offence because i know you do a lot for this forum with training reports and such, but sometimes you act like you are the only one around that knows anything

Yes i do and i dont appologise for it either.
I will back my judgment against most people simply becasue i have been in a position to see a lot more footy at all levels in the last 20 years than most poeple do and have worked on the skills to do so. Some people play golf or do whatever for a hobby, i have one hobby and it is football.Always has been from the days i played and made a litlle bit of cash from it , to being involved with coaching on and off and as someone who will see 4,5 or 6 games (AFL,VFL or Tac) live in a weekend and generally watch replays of SANFL, WAFL and VFL games during the week.
I keep detailed records of all the TAC Cup games i see. When i get to see a young player more than 3 times i get a detailed profile on them going that will go right down to the small points of what foot they will kick with the most under pressue to how good their tackling is, how well they can block or sheppherd, how hard they go at the contest. All the little things.
I don't really care if my attitude offends. I am confident in my ability as far as footy goes. Through some contacts i have it has lead me to do a few performance reviews on some suburban footy sides and to be involved as an assistant coach which i will be doing again next year.
I dont ever say that i get players right 100% of the time(even though my attitude sometimes says otherwise) and i very rarely declare a specific player to be a champion from day one or even that they will play 100 games of AFL for that matter.
If im wrong about a player in the long term i will admit it but i will also challenge anyone's opinion that simply says player x is better than player y.
At the end of the day if you dont like my style then put me on ignore

 

[Wahooti Fandango]

You tell him ant.