Quarter of a century without Fitzroy: Is the AFL better or worse off?

[kreuze_missile]

Based on what? Recent success maybe? Melbourne and the Dogs have each won flags within the last decade. North's last was 1999. It can't be about historical success because Melbourne have won 13 flags.

Maybe it should be whoever is in a long premiership drought. Any club that has gone more than 20-25 years without a flag perhaps.

That's North, St.Kilda, who else I wonder?

How about some of the metrics that highlight a club's relevance and contribution to the sport?

Average attendance. TV viewers. Membership. Revenue. I think you'll find Carlton are going OK.

I couldn't care less about premierships won by small clubs that are financially supported by Carlton.

The only exception is the premierships won by North in the era that Carlton part owned them. Technically these should also be considered Carlton flags.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

This means reducing the Melbourne based teams by three. The candidates are obvious.

Lowest member bases alongside the highest funded clubs has the 3 candidates as North, Saints and a flip of the coin between Dogs and Dees.

Melbourne will survive because of their name alone.

 

[kreuze_missile]

Lowest member bases alongside the highest funded clubs has the 3 candidates as North, Saints and a flip of the coin between Dogs and Dees.

Melbourne will survive because of their name alone.

Take the MCC away and Melbourne's average home game attendance is in AFLW territory.

They are firmly second in line behind North Melbourne.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Take the MCC away and Melbourne's average home game attendance is in AFLW territory.

They are firmly second in line behind North Melbourne.

I’d agree, but their name alone buys them a lot of real estate in the game, including MCG tenancy.

 

[peetoo]

Dogs dees north saints have as many flags as port freo gws Gold Coast this century. More in fact

The bottom half of the Melbourne teams is stronger than the bottom half elsewhere

 

[peetoo]

How about some of the metrics that highlight a club's relevance and contribution to the sport?

Average attendance. TV viewers. Membership. Revenue. I think you'll find Carlton are going OK.

I couldn't care less about premierships won by small clubs that are financially supported by Carlton.

The only exception is the premierships won by North in the era that Carlton part owned them. Technically these should also be considered Carlton flags.

Carlton’s arrogance became unwarranted years ago

 

[Pistol Night]

Carlton’s arrogance became unwarranted years ago

They're still arrogant but with zero success

 

[Roylion]

The only exception is the premierships won by North in the era that Carlton part owned them. Technically these should also be considered Carlton flags.

From 1991-2001, Carlton held 20% (600,000) of the available 3 million $1 shares that were made available in 1985 with the proviso that there could not be one shareholder with the controlling interest in the club.

I guess Carlton helped North Melbourne retire $2.5 million of debt and bank the remaining $500,000 at 12% interest underwriting North's immediate future. For no benefit at all to Carlton. The Blues discovered in 1999 that the shares were of almost no value in trying to "merge" with North Melbourne and sold them shortly after to John Magowan.

 

[Partridge]

How about some of the metrics that highlight a club's relevance and contribution to the sport?

Average attendance. TV viewers. Membership. Revenue. I think you'll find Carlton are going OK.

I couldn't care less about premierships won by small clubs that are financially supported by Carlton.

The only exception is the premierships won by North in the era that Carlton part owned them. Technically these should also be considered Carlton flags.

That would make for an interesting discussion.

 

[Liam Boy]

It's probably worse when you consider the likes of North, Saints and Bulldogs are still around and only one of them has ever managed to find their feet - and all three of them combined still have less flags than Fitzroy.

Kind of unfair to bundle us in with that when more than half of the "combined" flags are ours, and Fitzroy won 7 of their 8 flags before we joined the league.

 

[Papa G]

Most of epl is London or northwest

If aus had one code it would be dominated by Melbourne and Sydney

Currently 7 London, 4 North West, 4 Midlands, 3 South Coast, Ipswich and Newscastle. Seems a fair spread. Generally the big 4 London teams are always there, Arsenal, Chelsea, Spurs, West Ham, then you get a few other oscelating between divisions.

Only 3 London teams in the Championship too. So that akes 10/44 London teams in the top 2 divisions.

A far cry from 10/18.

 

[Cdog71]

and sold them shortly after to John Magowan.

Was he the President at the time, or did that happen after he owned the shares?

 

[Roylion]

Was he the President at the time, or did that happen after he owned the shares?

After he owned the shares.

 

[Bunk Moreland]

The question is are we now an VFL or an AFL (national comp)? If the answer if AFL, there shouldn't be 11 teams (now 10) in 1 state. Find me another national comp in any sport worldwide that has more than half the teams in 1 location.

Can you find another national comp in any sport where more than half the new players every year come from that same one location?

 

[Boxo004]

Here for the West Aussie whinge only. “Deep in our hearts everyone barracks for Fitzroy”

 

[peetoo]

Currently 7 London, 4 North West, 4 Midlands, 3 South Coast, Ipswich and Newscastle. Seems a fair spread. Generally the big 4 London teams are always there, Arsenal, Chelsea, Spurs, West Ham, then you get a few other oscelating between divisions.

Only 3 London teams in the Championship too. So that akes 10/44 London teams in the top 2 divisions.

A far cry from 10/18.

As I said, if aus had one code it would be massively concentrated in Melbourne and Sydney. So very relevant.

Brazil is another with concentration in two areas