Review R6: Port v West Coast Review

[Power Girl]

Do you guys honestly recon you have the depth in your squad let alone hunger to be a premiership contender? If Wines and Polec being injured has such a negative effect, it would have to be concerning.

One win against a top four side that played like shit does not make your team a contender. Do you really believe your lot have the goods to be a premiership contender based on that win??

 

[WCE1698]

No Hodge and Lewis = No Hawthorn?

Gimme a break.

No Hodge and Lewis = No Hawthorn?

Gimme a break.

Not my point lots of fans on this forum seem to think Wines coming back will make everything better, if that the case then imo your depth is concerning.

 

[WCE1698]

One win against a top four side that played like shit does not make your team a contender. Do you really believe your lot have the goods to be a premiership contender based on that win??

No not at all never said that. Dothink were well set up to be top four contenders in 2016 though.

 

[simmo_bc]

well, my fears came true - I thought you could tell right after the first bounce that we were a touch 'off' our game.

If we want to be a top team, we need to nail these games - no disrespect to WCE.

Critical moment in the last quarter when Jasper kicked the ball out on the full.

Ah well, bring on Brisbane and Ollie Wines.

Kane Mitchell will go out for Amon or Colquhoun.

 

[steve hucka]

Yep. Who also paid the free against one of our guys for doing the exact same thing (forearms in back) previously. And also the guy who paid a htb against wingard that saw Priddis kick a goal when he got tackled as soon as he picked up the ball and it jarred free, who then allowed eagles players to do exactly the same thing for the rest of the night. Just some fckn consistency would be nice.

How do you explain the goal they didn't count for the Eagles , you're right needs to be more consistency

 

[finbarr]

Not my point lots of fans on this forum seem to think Wines coming back will make everything better, if that the case then imo your depth is concerning.

The return of a player of such quality will always make a team better, on paper at least. Had Wines played yesterday and the team still tried to play like millionaires his inclusion wouldn't have made a difference.

 

[Janus]

Not my point lots of fans on this forum seem to think Wines coming back will make everything better, if that the case then imo your depth is concerning.

It's not Wines so much as a big bodied midfield to take the heat off of guys like Boak and Gray at the stoppages. We've given that spot to Young and after a couple of great games he's started to read his own press and think he's too good to put in the defensive work, hence the reason he got dragged even though we had players who were injured.

We've got Ah Chee and Moore who can fill in for Wines - our problems aren't depth per se, it's that the depth didn't perform to the level we are accustomed to.

 

[tribey]

It's not Wines so much as a big bodied midfield to take the heat off of guys like Boak and Gray at the stoppages. We've given that spot to Young and after a couple of great games he's started to read his own press and think he's too good to put in the defensive work, hence the reason he got dragged even though we had players who were injured.

We've got Ah Chee and Moore who can fill in for Wines - our problems aren't depth per se, it's that the depth didn't perform to the level we are accustomed to.

A fit Polec to break lines and hit targets in the midfield would also allow Wingard to stay forward more, making our front half all the more potent.

It's just a shitty domino effect to go with everything else at the moment, similar to when Lobbe missed in the first few weeks and caused everything to have to be switched around. You miss a flanker or even an outside midfielder and you can more or less replace them like for like, whereas you lose a pivotal engineroomer or two and you require a full reshuffle.

 

[FallingLiefs]

Do you guys honestly recon you have the depth in your squad let alone hunger to be a premiership contender? If Wines and Polec being injured has such a negative effect, it would have to be concerning.

Answer 1 re: depth: depth is an unproven, we have Mitchell, Young, Moore, OShea, Neade, Krakeour AFL capable outside the 22. We then have Stewart, Logan as 100 gamers below those 6 and a few other highly possibles. We simply haven't had the opportunity due to lack of injuries. Also depth required for a flag is a fallacy, depth helps in the H&A. But no teams wins a premiership with their 27th best man playing in the finals the margins between sides are too small.

Answer 2 re: hunger: piss of

 

[Marmozet]

Not a good feeling I've woken up to today.

 

[WCE1698]

Answer 1 re: depth: depth is an unproven, we have Mitchell, Young, Moore, OShea, Neade, Krakeour AFL capable outside the 22. We then have Stewart, Logan as 100 gamers below those 6 and a few other highly possibles. We simply haven't had the opportunity due to lack of injuries. Also depth required for a flag is a fallacy, depth helps in the H&A. But no teams wins a premiership with their 27th best man playing in the finals the margins between sides are too small.

Answer 2 re: hunger: piss of

well you obviously weren't hungry enough yesterday

 

[tangolikelama]

well you obviously weren't hungry enough yesterday

can you **** off now

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Freo last year were 4-4 when they lost to us at AO last year and Ros Lyon came out and said they were just an average side. But they ground their way thru winter with their stronger and experienced players and went 12-2.

The season started a bit later and looks like winter might be a bit earlier but we could well be 4-4 in a couple of weeks times. Will we then be good enough given our game plan to grind our way thru winter to go 12-2 or will it be more 8-6?? We werent last year and nothing so far this year says we have improved. Ryder will be important as Lobbe wont have to driven into the ground.

 

[tribey]

well you obviously weren't hungry enough yesterday

Nah, clearly we believe we played out of our skins but were merely bested by Rob Brough and the Perms.

This is how North fans must feel when we beat them.

 

[Janus]

A fit Polec to break lines and hit targets in the midfield would also allow Wingard to stay forward more, making our front half all the more potent.

It's just a shitty domino effect to go with everything else at the moment, similar to when Lobbe missed in the first few weeks and caused everything to have to be switched around. You miss a flanker or even an outside midfielder and you can more or less replace them like for like, whereas you lose a pivotal engineroomer or two and you require a full reshuffle.

We've had exactly 0 games with our best starting 18 on the field. Not to mention every week there is some player going to the bench with a cork that is hobbling their influence on the game. Against the Hawks it was Wingard, this week Ebert.

The problem is that the player most suited to taking Polec's spot in Krakouer doesn't have the engine yet to run out a full game.

This season is starting to look like Hawthorn 2009.

 

[Macca19]

Would love to see Impey play off a wing.

 

[finbarr]

"Rob Brough and The Perms".

Sensational.

 

[Chrizzt]

well you obviously weren't hungry enough yesterday

If you think Port aren't hungry enough, you haven't been paying attention to the AFL over the last 2.5 years.
We had an off day. We were 3-2 after the hardest start to the season of any club, including a 7 point loss to Freo which is closer than any other team has managed to get to them. We beat a full strength Hawthorn while we were missing two of our best midfielders.
Having premium players come in makes any team better, that's why those players are what they are. Sure we haven't clicked so far this season, and losing to a very mediocre west coast is probably our worst loss under Hinkley, but I'm sure that Sydney losing to GWS last year thought the same thing, and they still managed to get up for the last 2/3rds of the season.

 

[Harlott]

Sure you miss players but from what I saw last night the number one reason we lost was intensity compared to west coast. By the time we collectively started showing more, the west coast were fighting like rabid dogs to maintain their lead. Congratulations to them. Their guys were really on for the whole game. I also think having an intimidating gorilla forward to take a timely mark or even create doubt and pressure in those moments where systems aren't working and you try the long bomb is something we glaringly lack.

 

[FPPF]

People are disappointed. Regardless of any other factors this was a massive upset. I don't think the players are buying into media hype or anything like that, but dropping this game is disappointing and supporters have every right to be pissed.

Game was penciled in as a win by most of us, as were the next 4 or 5. And we should have won tonight, as we should win this next block. It is not unreasonable to expect what is a very good team to be Ruthless enough to knock off these scrubs.

Of course we are all disappointed. Being disappointed and making ridiculous excuses blaming the players and coaches to excuse our own over inflated egos and expectations is another thing.

 

[_VXV]

Was trying to keep optimistic yesterday but in hindsight some signs were there.
Youngest kid needed the toilet right on the first bounce.
Oldest kid needs to go right on siren starting the last.
Day starting & ending with shit.

 

[FPPF]

Except that after the game Chad said the players just looked at each other in, quote "disbelief".

I think that is somewhat damning. It's all between our ears at the moment, notwithstanding a few guys a little hampered by niggles, we are expecting to roll in to September for the opportunity to avenge our prelim loss. Well guess what. First you have to play well enough to get there.

I reckon it's fair enough for us keyboard warriors to expect to win. We know what our players are capable of. The players however can never just expect to win because as soon as they do, tonight happens.

And I'm not accepting "Showdown hangover" as an excuse and nor should anyone else.

Of course they were in disbelief, disbelief that they couldn't manage a win. Disbelief that they were up by half a dozen goals at one stage and ended up losing by such a small margin. etc.

But disbelief because they were of the belief that it would be an easy win? Again, no. That is just supporters projecting THEIR expectations and egos.


Hinkley has said we are inconsistent. I think that's a fairly obvious problem. A problem that doesn't involve supporters on the Internet sharing their psychological analysis of the players.

 

[FPPF]

Thats bullshit. Subconsciously i believe they think the same. They were waiting for someone else to do the job today...

Hinkley says we are inconsistent.
You say we expect to win.

Gee, who would know more about what's going on with the players.

 

[Port 2004]

well you obviously weren't hungry enough yesterday

I love it how people like you from opposition clubs come onto an oppo board and make tools of themeselves, just because their team had a win. Big deal. There are 16 rounds to go, lets see who finishes above who before we get too excited. Seriously what a tool.

 

[Byrons Firen]

Answer 1 re: depth: depth is an unproven, we have Mitchell, Young, Moore, OShea, Neade, Krakeour AFL capable outside the 22. We then have Stewart, Logan as 100 gamers below those 6 and a few other highly possibles. We simply haven't had the opportunity due to lack of injuries. Also depth required for a flag is a fallacy, depth helps in the H&A. But no teams wins a premiership with their 27th best man playing in the finals the margins between sides are too small.

Answer 2 re: hunger: piss of

Nathan Krakouer is best 22 for us, every day of the week and twice on Sunday.
The man is magnificent