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[cartel]

Defrosted some massive lamb leg steaks for dinner tonight.
GF gets a migraine, doesn't want dinner.
Going to try to get through half a sheep. Will be a delicious odyssey.

 

[STK2020]

Defrosted some massive lamb leg steaks for dinner tonight.
GF gets a migraine, doesn't want dinner.
Going to try to get through half a sheep. Will be a delicious odyssey.

Beautiful, feed her a shit load of panodol put her to bed , break out the beers , ring for pizza and break out all the old Saints games .
Winner winner Pizza dinner

 

[CALL ME SNAKE]

not sure what's worse .
the countries government that canes people just for being gay.
Or the pathetic people who turn up to watch it and film it on their phones.

 

[gringo2011]

Not at all, just explaining how things happened.

We should never have gone in the first instance.

The West happily funded Bin Laden to fight the Russians... they happily armed Saddam to fight the Iranians.

All I'm saying is to look deeper into the root cause than the simplistic view pushed out by politicians and the msm.

The hypocrisy lies in the fact that we do nothing to help the oppressed in other countries which strangely enough don't have oil.

Fmd, we even shafted the East Timorese.

Ask yourself this... if there was no oil, would the West give a shit about the Middle East?

I'm not justifying the violence in any way.

But when you have Nations such as the UK and USA supporting a corrupt regime of self anointed royals, who make billions from oil, whilst using a fundamental religion to protect their power and oppress the population... somebody is going to retaliate... or in this case, give a reason d'etre for the nut jobs to recruit gullible yet disenfranchised kids to their cause.

Yeah the west hasn't had a great strike rate in liberating countries from dictators. Not one of them seems to have ended up better off afterwards.

 

[STK2020]

Yeah the west hasn't had a great strike rate in liberating countries from dictators. Not one of them seems to have ended up better off afterwards.

Now they have their own dictator .

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Yeah the west hasn't had a great strike rate in liberating countries from dictators. Not one of them seems to have ended up better off afterwards.

Germany, Japan

 

[StFly]

Germany, Japan

Chiang Kai-Shek in China back in the old days of "oh shit; A COMMIE!" where the west backed Kai-Shek instead of Zedong in the Chinese civil war starting 1927 after Japan tried invading previously, and China unifying to drive them out, then Japan invading again, then being ousted so the two could fight again for the Comminist victory.

Japan was really quite the shitter back then towards the end of their Empire reigns. Ww2 just drove the nail into the coffin effectively, like it did with Germany, only no forced split, and instead Japan got to reflect on itself and evolve under occupation.

Because you know, they kinda got bent over and nuked twice instead of effectively surrounded and overrun because they bit off more than they could chew.

Would also argue that Germany yes, like Russia under Stalin was quite totalitarian, but Japan no, Japan is more England as it was an Empire that stretched to PNG in the south and wanted more sway on the "mainland" which then trended to constitutional monarchy in the modern age. This is unlike the USA which is more like Europe in a bunch of states that decided to co-exist instead of Europe which largely decided to remain independent with governing overview from the Union, and previously with the USSR v UK.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Chiang Kai-Shek in China back in the old days of "oh shit; A COMMIE!" where the west backed Kai-Shek instead of Zedong in the Chinese civil war starting 1927 after Japan tried invading previously, and China unifying to drive them out, then Japan invading again, then being ousted so the two could fight again for the Comminist victory.

Japan was really quite the shitter back then towards the end of their Empire reigns. Ww2 just drove the nail into the coffin effectively, like it did with Germany, only no forced split, and instead Japan got to reflect on itself and evolve under occupation.

Because you know, they kinda got bent over and nuked twice instead of effectively surrounded and overrun because they bit off more than they could chew.

Would also argue that Germany yes, like Russia under Stalin was quite totalitarian, but Japan no, Japan is more England as it was an Empire that stretched to PNG in the south and wanted more sway on the "mainland" which then trended to constitutional monarchy in the modern age. This is unlike the USA which is more like Europe in a bunch of states that decided to co-exist instead of Europe which largely decided to remain independent with governing overview from the Union, and previously with the USSR v UK.

I like reading your posts StFly
They have a style all their own.

 

[luca77]

not sure what's worse .
the countries government that canes people just for being gay.
Or the pathetic people who turn up to watch it and film it on their phones.

Agreed. Good punishment for a jumper punch though and worth filming.

 

[gringo2011]

Germany, Japan

True but it depends who you think actually liberated them. Russia probably got rid of the Nazis and Japan was on it's knees and pretty much ready to throw in the towel before they bombed them.

 

[austinnn]

Saw this band Skunkhour some 20+ years ago in a suburban nightclub in Southern Sydney, still one of the best live shows I have ever been to. Looking forward to see them again this Saturday night!

My relationship is Skunkhour is interesting: I first saw them in Kings Cross in 1992 just by chance with another rockier funk band called Juice. Both bands absolutely blew me away, but particularly Skunkhour. They had a brass section and the whole thing was like a nineties Aussie version of old Motown funk bands like The Commodores (not PCs or cars, for all the jokers). Their first self titled CD is a good refection of that sound.

I got into them less as they slowly became more original and then by the time i was in my own band in Melbourne in the late nineties, i found their sound a bit bland and commercial. All the stuff about weed and Jazz got a a bit nauseating after a while too, they became a musical Adihash t-shirt. I mocked Aya's vocal mannerisms to get giggles from my mates and considered that they were a bit of a dinosaur.

A lot of it was professional jealousy as they were one of the handful of Aussie bands who were popular enough to get off the Dole, unlike us. We supported them once or twice and instead of being respectful, I acted all blasé like a damned fool.

In retrospect, i have a lot of respect for them and their ability to mature as a group and have longevity in an industry where only a lucky few get to make any reasonable living, and though i found it boring at the time, I now think Up To Our Necks In It is a beautiful song, great guitar solo and vocals, fantastic arrangement.

Skunkhour: a great Aussie band.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

True but it depends who you think actually liberated them. Russia probably got rid of the Nazis and Japan was on it's knees and pretty much ready to throw in the towel before they bombed them.

Germany was very much a joint effort. Japan , whether on their knees or not was all USA.
But both of them started wars, so it was pretty legit for the Americans to get involved.
I don't know if the South Korean's are happy they got involved in their history.

 

[Pardon me]

My relationship is Skunkhour is interesting: I first saw them in Kings Cross in 1992 just by chance with another rockier funk band called Juice. Both bands absolutely blew me away, but particularly Skunkhour. They had a brass section and the whole thing was like a nineties Aussie version of old Motown funk bands like The Commodores (not PCs or cars, for all the jokers). Their first self titled CD is a good refection of that sound.

I got into them less as they slowly became more original and then by the time i was in my own band in Melbourne in the late nineties, i found their sound a bit bland and commercial. All the stuff about weed and Jazz got a a bit nauseating after a while too, they became a musical Adihash t-shirt. I mocked Aya's vocal mannerisms to get giggles from my mates and considered that they were a bit of a dinosaur.

A lot of it was professional jealousy as they were one of the handful of Aussie bands who were popular enough to get off the Dole, unlike us. We supported them once or twice and instead of being respectful, I acted all blasé like a damned fool.

In retrospect, i have a lot of respect for them and their ability to mature as a group and have longevity in an industry where only a lucky few get to make any reasonable living, and though i found it boring at the time, I now think Up To Our Necks In It is a beautiful song, great guitar solo and vocals, fantastic arrangement.

Skunkhour: a great Aussie band.

Thats just a great read Austinnn. Not many people admit to being wrong, let alone putting it out there on a forum. Fantastic work by yourself to reflect on your maturity and revisit your thoughts and opinion on the band - enough so that i'll be checking them out, what was your band called? any footage or recordings floating around the net to check out?

 

[austinnn]

Thats just a great read Austinnn. Not many people admit to being wrong, let alone putting it out there on a forum. Fantastic work by yourself to reflect on your maturity and revisit your thoughts and opinion on the band - enough so that i'll be checking them out, what was your band called? any footage or recordings floating around the net to check out?

Nah mate, our internet footprint is nil. Trust me, I've checked! We were operational from 1996-2002, right before social media was a thing i guess. Nothing on YouTube or Wikipedia! We had our day in the sun, had quite a few choice gigs and were doing alright in Vic and did a few NSW and Adelaide tours, but didn't really crack the next level, JJJ didn't give us much love. I won't give away my identity by sharing the name but I had lots of fun during those years, even if it didn't really translate to a career. Thanks for asking and your kind words.

 

[Pardon me]

Nah mate, our internet footprint is nil. Trust me, I've checked! We were operational from 1996-2002, right before social media was a thing i guess. Nothing on YouTube or Wikipedia! We had our day in the sun, had quite a few choice gigs and were doing alright in Vic and did a few NSW and Adelaide tours, but didn't really crack the next level, JJJ didn't give us much love. I won't give away my identity by sharing the name but I had lots of fun during those years, even if it didn't really translate to a career. Thanks for asking and your kind words.

Hmmm humble, national tours, a 6 year farewell tour... Farnsey?????!!!!
But seriously mate sounds like you did what most of us only dream of, great stuff

 

[austinnn]

Hmmm humble, national tours, a 6 year farewell tour... Farnsey?????!!!!
But seriously mate sounds like you did what most of us only dream of, great stuff

LOL! That's what I tell myself when I look at my bank account and my CV - Not sure my wife shares your point of view though! Nowadays my dreams involve being able to provide for my family.
Thanks again though.

 

[Mat Mann]

I really liked the "Feed" album. Got a fair old play back in the day, still in the general roataion

 

[Joffaboy]

Germany was very much a joint effort. Japan , whether on their knees or not was all USA.
But both of them started wars, so it was pretty legit for the Americans to get involved.
I don't know if the South Korean's are happy they got involved in their history.

Russia beat Germany. 5 out of 6 Germans died on the Ostfront.

Put in isolation the Great Patriotic War in Eastern Europe and Russia was easily the biggest war ever fought.

And while America eventually beat Japan, the vast majority of the fighting between 1937 and 1945 occurred in China.
Intetesting perspectives when the American view is taken out

A bit like the Vietnam War. The vast majority of the fighting was done by the South Vietnamese.

 

[Persevering Saint]

Russia beat Germany. 5 out of 6 Germans died on the Ostfront.

Put in isolation the Great Patriotic War in Eastern Europe and Russia was easily the biggest war ever fought.

And while America eventually beat Japan, the vast majority of the fighting between 1937 and 1945 occurred in China.
Intetesting perspectives when the American view is taken out

A bit like the Vietnam War. The vast majority of the fighting was done by the South Vietnamese.

As I was just telling my class today, "If you're ever in the position to invade Russia, DON'T!"

(In the context of Napoleon, but still...)

 

[StFly]

As I was just telling my class today, "If you're ever in the position to invade Russia, DON'T!"

(In the context of Napoleon, but still...)

Green - Russia
Blue - Italy, Germany, Hungary, Austria
Red - Commencement of WW2 & Allied forces.

Watch as Germany break a non aggression pact with Russia, and things looking OK. Pinpoint the time when Germany broke.
And that south bit, below Spain (the neuteral white country below Germany occupied France), that's us and the Brits saying hi through Africa, note what happens to the kingdom of Italy.

So yes, don't mess with Russia, and if you're going to piss off the Brits you better also make sure they can't fly or swim anywhere.

 

[Nutsngum]

Russia beat Germany. 5 out of 6 Germans died on the Ostfront.

Put in isolation the Great Patriotic War in Eastern Europe and Russia was easily the biggest war ever fought.

And while America eventually beat Japan, the vast majority of the fighting between 1937 and 1945 occurred in China.
Intetesting perspectives when the American view is taken out

A bit like the Vietnam War. The vast majority of the fighting was done by the South Vietnamese.

Russia was lucky to survive the first year of the war and did so only due to lend lease. Their industrial ability was a joke even if they did remarkably well in gearing up for full scale war in the end.
Make no mistake, without the united states on our side the second world war was going to be a defeat.

 

[gringo2011]

LOL! That's what I tell myself when I look at my bank account and my CV - Not sure my wife shares your point of view though! Nowadays my dreams involve being able to provide for my family.
Thanks again though.

Yeah, I played in bands when I was younger and it ****ing sucked back then, we played in places like the Tote or Prince of Wales and we'd get a beer rider and about $100 to split 5 ways and that would nearly cover your sticks, strings and the petrol. Now days indy music makes money and isn't quite so indy in it's popularity. We were really very shit though so even if there was some losers watching our youtube channel I still would have been broke form it. I worked out pretty early that it was a hobby and might need something else to fall back on. Guys I played with stuck with it longer and got in some good bands and sold albums and toured lots but none made any cash from it even then.

 

[gringo2011]

Russia beat Germany. 5 out of 6 Germans died on the Ostfront.

Put in isolation the Great Patriotic War in Eastern Europe and Russia was easily the biggest war ever fought.

And while America eventually beat Japan, the vast majority of the fighting between 1937 and 1945 occurred in China.
Intetesting perspectives when the American view is taken out

A bit like the Vietnam War. The vast majority of the fighting was done by the South Vietnamese.

Yeah the battle of Stalingrad was like 2 million people killed or wounded and the Germans marched in thinking they would take over in a matter of weeks, the Russians just surrounded them and froze and starved them into submission over 5 months. Brutal.

Japan and China are never going to get on well after the way the Japanese treated them in the lead up and the duration of WWII. The rape of Nanking was one of the most horrific war crimes ever committed.

 

[Mat Mann]

My brother in law used to be lead war historian at the Aust War Memorial, has lectured at Sandhurst and is most likely one of Australia's best war historians, but this video put things in such greater perspective as to how big the Eastern front battle was and the sheer enormity of China's losses

 

[austinnn]

Yeah, I played in bands when I was younger and it ******* sucked back then, we played in places like the Tote or Prince of Wales and we'd get a beer rider and about $100 to split 5 ways and that would nearly cover your sticks, strings and the petrol. Now days indy music makes money and isn't quite so indy in it's popularity. We were really very shit though so even if there was some losers watching our youtube channel I still would have been broke form it. I worked out pretty early that it was a hobby and might need something else to fall back on. Guys I played with stuck with it longer and got in some good bands and sold albums and toured lots but none made any cash from it even then.

Haha, imagine if it turned out that we used to be in the same band!

I hear you though, we really tried to get somewhere and do it our way, but crowds never got bigger and I needed to move on. Unfortunately i left the group just after we finished making a CD with a couple of tracks I'd mostly done by myself, the rest of the band didn't do anything with it and despite them being tunes I'm really proud of, no one will ever hear them. A lot of work down the drain due to my poor timing.

Not a unique story, thousands of Aussie bands better and worse than ours never amount to shit. Not enough people in Australia to buy enough music to make money for the makers, even before MP3s. A couple of mates of mine have had more success than me, in fact one of my old band mates ended up being involved in a tune that was recently No. 1 in the charts here in France, which was weird. Not sure if he made much money out of it though, who knows.

Skunkhour got nationally successful for three reasons, they capitalised on early success by finding a sound that appealled to a huge section of Australia rather than a niche market and they worked hard and stayed at it.