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[sunny3193]

Future uncertainty does create some angst but humans adapt and systems change. Computer programmers become the new tradies.

So bum cracks will become de rigeur at Palo Alto?

 

[gringo2011]

Future uncertainty does create some angst but humans adapt and systems change. Computer programmers become the new tradies.

That's a shit load of programming getting done then. They will self program soon. India alone is training millions of programmers. I agree, life goes on but sounds pretty depressing not doing anything. Tradies probably safer than programmers to be honest, machines will find it hard to dig out drains and replace pipes. I know what you're saying though.

 

[gringo2011]

So bum cracks will become de rigeur at Palo Alto?

A mate works for the G team and he reckons they have become pretty arseholish lately. He says the early days of the cool non office environment with play equipment everywhere are now expanses of back to back desks. They are going old school corporate.

 

[sunny3193]

A mate works for the G team and he reckons they have become pretty arseholish lately. He says the early days of the cool non office environment with play equipment everywhere are now expanses of back to back desks. They are going old school corporate.

Inevitable.
Once the accountants are set free.

 

[Gangnam Saint]

That's a shit load of programming getting done then. They will self program soon. India alone is training millions of programmers. I agree, life goes on but sounds pretty depressing not doing anything. Tradies probably safer than programmers to be honest, machines will find it hard to dig out drains and replace pipes. I know what you're saying though.

AI is very creepy particularly when you hear abt the analytics companies like Amazon and Google are collecting. Alexa and Google Home are collecting information even when supposedly "asleep". Elon Musk is having a lot to say abt the dangers of AI.

 

[Mikka84]

Why do airport lounges insist their main meal of choice is a curry? It’s the last thing I want to risk before jumping on a flight..

 

[By a Point]

Why do airport lounges insist their main meal of choice is a curry? It’s the last thing I want to risk before jumping on a flight..

thank you for finishing the conversation about left and right policitics. I was worried that someone might come over from the Collingwood site and see it.

 

[StFly]

Why do airport lounges insist their main meal of choice is a curry? It’s the last thing I want to risk before jumping on a flight..

Primarily because it's accompanied by rice, and like bread which can also be accompanied by it which is kinda filling even if the curry is an opposite.

Plus the curry can sit there for a while and not go off.

Then again my two flights thus far have both been with Etihad, so curry is obvious when you fly middle eastern.

 

[VDS66]

It's part of the alt right agenda...

Why do airport lounges insist their main meal of choice is a curry? It’s the last thing I want to risk before jumping on a flight..

 

[Mikka84]

Primarily because it's accompanied by rice, and like bread which can also be accompanied by it which is kinda filling even if the curry is an opposite.

Plus the curry can sit there for a while and not go off.

Then again my two flights thus far have both been with Etihad, so curry is obvious when you fly middle eastern.

I’m just far too concerned the curry is going to hit a wrong note and come flying out faster than my projected flight speed.

Rice I get - although is one of the highest causing foods of bacteria.

I’ll stick to biscuits and cheese. Unless I’m flying qantas and I’ll smash the club sandwich like there’s no tomorrow.

 

[LicoriceAllsorts]

Peterson's as level headed as they come. He has appeared on countless left wing talk shows/news outlets and the way he conducts himself is first class.

Shapiro is much of the same. Both of them debate facts not feelings and the left hate it.






Long videos but enjoyable!

oh my goodness she is dumb.

Or trying to provoke him into saying something stupid

 

[StCicatriz]

AI is very creepy particularly when you hear abt the analytics companies like Amazon and Google are collecting. Alexa and Google Home are collecting information even when supposedly "asleep". Elon Musk is having a lot to say abt the dangers of AI.

see the news about facebook. ****ing hell that's scary

 

[sunny3193]

see the news about facebook. ******* hell that's scary

Not if you don’t use it.

 

[StCicatriz]

Not if you don’t use it.

its not necessarily about the individual, more what the majority is doing. the fact a third party has been able to obtain detailed data on 50m americans and then use that to their advantage during elections is pretty damn scary

coupled with the bribery and blackmail

 

[sunny3193]

its not necessarily about the individual, more what the majority is doing. the fact a third party has been able to obtain detailed data on 50m americans and then use that to their advantage during elections is pretty damn scary

coupled with the bribery and blackmail

Sorry, zero sympathy.
It absolutely is about the individual.
If someone is prepared to give away their privacy to a third party, so that third party can monetise their privacy, more fool them.
And if someone is prepared to give away their privacy to a third party that will inevitably place that privacy at risk, then double the fool.
What has happened with Cambridge Analytica and Facebook was inevitable.

 

[CursingFijian]

For those who want to go down the rabbit hole and build an understanding of what truth, rights and liberty truly mean.



Enjoy

Pure drivel.

This guy is wielding etymology like a blunt instrument and using it to inflict trauma on my brain. Therefore and according to his own definitions of right and wrong, his work must be wrong as it has inflicted harm on my sentient being.

Sheesh.

 

[CursingFijian]

Spot on.
The only thing I would add is that Silicon Valley has already chosen a side. The systematic censorship, defunding and shadowbanning of conservatives on social media platforms has gone virtually unreported in the Australian press and is the scariest assault on freedom of expression I have ever seen.

Maybe it's only scary to those who are trying to preserve something.

 

[CursingFijian]

I think one think you might be missing or discounting in your left/right analysis is the growing influence identity politics and intersectionality theory has had with left politics over the past 10 years (I'd say it has really taken off since Facebook and Twitter came about but that is another discussion....)

Class was traditionally the way leftist parties framed the issues of the day and it made sense. Being poor cuts across many different groups of people and it's easy to get support from more people with a simple philosophy of "vote for us if you're poor and want to improve your life or at least be protected from the rich". Identity issues? They were pretty much the domain of the right, and not in a good way: sewing seeds of division, dog-whistling to racists to get votes etc. and that's before we talk about the far-right who are obviously obsessed with identity. more traditional leftists like Bernie Sanders are sceptical of identity politics and its influence for good reason: it potentially alienates many poor voters that would always have voted for more socialist parties but are now told they are part of the problem because of their colour and/or gender (see rust-belt states in the US).

The switch to identity over class that the left has made, driven mainly from humanities academics from the States and spreading around the world like many US trends do, is for me the most serious issue that will face our generation in the coming years (and I'm saying this as someone who has always voted for left parties before this switch happened... now i abstain from voting).

You now have 2 major sides of politics obsessed with identity and neither of them have their beliefs grounded in any sound, conclusive or scientific principles. They are based on questionable theories, a lot of subjectivity and fuelled by social media echo-chambers and outrage. It's a pretty terrifying death struggle for our minds that we haven't seen the likes of since communist times.

I've found Peterson's rise in popularity particularly interesting as my father-in-law escaped communism in Czechoslovakia and fled to Sweden. He was a doctor there and when he describes what it was like going for job interviews in front of panels and the way that you would be looking at another human in the eyes and knowing that you are both saying things you don't believe in but will be killed if you stray from the orthodox line of speaking it is truly terrifying. Funnily enough, a lot of the stuff he talks about is echoed by Peterson (who himself studied totalitarian regimes extensively) about how dangerous it is becoming now with the rise of a puritanical strain of identity politics coming from the left.

I think in societies like Australia we tend not to see the threat from the left on these issues as equal as the threat from the right because we always associate dangerous identity politics with the far-right and obvious hate. But when you talk to people who lived under communism, you realise that a lot of awful things that were done under that system were justified as being good and just.

Where the danger lies now is the internet, censorship and algorithms. Do powerful companies in Silicon Valley have the courage and judgement to not favour a particular side? Or will they bow to the loud mob that justifies themselves as being the "good" side. Throw AI into the mix and we are on the doorstep of a potentially terrifying Orwellian future being censored and ultimately ruled by a powerful group obsessed with justice based on identity that will justify everything they are doing as being good and just.

That's why voices like Peterson and others need to be supported now as this is a battle for our minds that we won't know we've lost until it's too late.

Some might argue that any notion of the Left and the Right are in themselves constructs that have arisen from identity politics.

 

[Gangnam Saint]

Pure drivel.

This guy is wielding etymology like a blunt instrument and using it to inflict trauma on my brain. Therefore and according to his own definitions of right and wrong, his work must be wrong as it has inflicted harm on my sentient being.

Sheesh.

Rather than simply making it up, think you find he is relaying ancient hemetic knowledge.
But, hey, I'm sure you know that...right?

 

[CursingFijian]

Problem with labels like "alt-right" is they have been co-opted by people who use them for an agenda and they now don't represent their true origins. Most of those initially considered alt-right now reject the term coz it was highjacked by ethno-nationalist scumbags who are the turds in punchbowl of a genuinely inclusive populist nationalism.

Identity politics is a "divide & conquer" strategy - it is a cancer designed to forment hate IMHO.

Agree 100%.

People just need to remember though that when identity politics raises it's ugly head it is always the most agitated group within that section of society that is manifesting. Many times the energy that fuels the agitators come from desires that are universal to all of us like wealth, power, and fame.

 

[CursingFijian]

Rather than simply making it up, think you find he is relaying ancient hermetic knowledge.
But, hey, I'm sure you know that...right?

FTFY



I know nothing. Some English words in the last 3 pages have been hurting my head.

But seriously that speech went for 8 hours and bugger me drunk if he didn't spend 4 hours of that lecture defining and explaining the origin of words and trying to transfer my agreeability about the definition/origin of a word to coax me to acquiesce half heartedly to some of his premises.

I still don't know what he was on about. Seriously.

 

[LicoriceAllsorts]

For those who want to go down the rabbit hole and build an understanding of what truth, rights and liberty truly mean.



Enjoy

Did this guy speak for 9 ****ing hours? or is it all edited together?

 

[gringo2011]

Pure drivel.

This guy is wielding etymology like a blunt instrument and using it to inflict trauma on my brain. Therefore and according to his own definitions of right and wrong, his work must be wrong as it has inflicted harm on my sentient being.

Sheesh.

Have you watched the Good Place on Netflix? It's a bit of a slow burn to start but it's a comedy based around moral philosophy which sounds boring but is actually pretty light weight american comedy with little bits of clever ideas mixed in. Easier than 9 hours of soup.

 

[VDS66]

Pure drivel.

This guy is wielding etymology like a blunt instrument and using it to inflict trauma on my brain. Therefore and according to his own definitions of right and wrong, his work must be wrong as it has inflicted harm on my sentient being.

Sheesh.

Not quite because he didn't impose his stuff on you, you chose to view it.

So you are incorrect.

The concept of natural law and right/wrong is irrefutable.

 

[sunny3193]

We need Immanuel Kant, Heidegger, Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel, David Hume, Wittgenstein, Schlegel and Nietzsche.
John Stuart Mill, Plato, Aristotle, Hobbes.
And Rene Descartes.
But leave Socrates right out of it.