Opinion Rank these players in order from 1-6: Gary Ablett Jnr, Nathan Buckley,James Hird, Chris Judd, Dustin Martin, Michael Voss

[Cleansweep17]

No, 2014 isn’t an excuse. He missed a third of the season. He didn’t ’play Below his best because of a big bad stomach bug.’ He didn’t ‘only not perform when it counted because he was sad.’

He busted his shoulder and missed the last seven and a half games of the season when he was winning the Brownlow medal, that you criticise him for not winning that year, by the length of the straight.

He’s literally not on the field to fail. He’s having reconstructive surgery on tendons and s**t in his shoulder

Any time Richmond or a tigers player is criticised for failing or a sub par performance it’s never because the opposition have been better or because they haven’t played well enough. It’s because some other elemental force has simply made it so.

And it is hilarious.

If you think injuries don’t play a part in the performance of players and teams then I think you must be a bot or something. I bet you take it into account when you do footy tipping don’t you.

Ablett didn’t play the best season because he was injured. But that’s tough luck, but I’m not saying he was in peak physical condition like you are.

 

[PhatBoy]

If you think injuries don’t play a part in the performance of players and teams then I think you must be a bot or something. I bet you take it into account when you do footy tipping don’t you.

Ablett didn’t play the best season because he was injured. But that’s tough luck, but I’m not saying he was in peak physical condition like you are.

And he wasn’t ’outplayed by Matt Priddis’ either, was he genius.

Because for every minute he was actually physically capable of being on the field he wasn’t just far better than Priddis but better than everyone else in the competition too.

So using kindergarten arguments like ‘hahahaha he wasn’t even good enough to beat Matt Priddis in the 2014 Brownlow’ when not just me but everyone who follows football knows that that doesn’t QUITE tell the full story, just exemplifies the sort of horseshit argument that you like to default back to.

Using ‘he was ill’ when someone actually got into the field and played a full game to defend what is actually quite a reasonable litany of underwhelming finals efforts (Martin HASNT, contrary to what you tell us, ALWAYS stood up in finals footy) is somewhat different and is a perfect example of how you love a good excuse.

And he was in peak physical condition
He’d played a bare minimum of 20 games every season of his career up until that point aside from his debut year: nothing special, just 11 in a row

Just to reiterate, he had his shoulder slammed into the ground, dislocated, and smashed. This doesn’t mean he wasn’t in peak physical condition mate.

Tom Lonergan wasn’t ’out of peak physical condition’ because he required a kidney to be removed after he collided with Brad Miller

 

[Cleansweep17]

And he wasn’t ’outplayed by Matt Priddis’ either, was he genius.

Because for every minute he was actually physically capable of being on the field he wasn’t just far better than Priddis but better than everyone else in the competition too.

So using kindergarten arguments like ‘hahahaha he wasn’t even good enough to beat Matt Priddis in the 2014 Brownlow’ when not just me but everyone who follows football knows that that doesn’t QUITE tell the full story, just exemplifies the sort of horseshit argument that you like to default back to.

Using ‘he was ill’ when someone actually got into the field and played a full game to defend what is actually quite a reasonable litany of underwhelming finals efforts (Martin HASNT, contrary to what you tell us, ALWAYS stood up in finals footy) is somewhat different and is a perfect example of how you love a good excuse.

And he was in peak physical condition
He’d played a bare minimum of 20 games every season of his career up until that point aside from his debut year: nothing special, just 11 in a row

Just to reiterate, he had his shoulder slammed into the ground, dislocated, and smashed. This doesn’t mean he wasn’t in peak physical condition mate.

Tom Lonergan wasn’t ’out of peak physical condition’ because he required a kidney to be removed after he collided with Brad Miller

Honestly we are on the same side here. Priddis had a better season BECAUSE GAJ got injured. Why are you arguing with nobody. Just like Taylor not getting in the 2023 AA team because he didn’t play enough games.

 

[PhatBoy]

Honestly we are on the same side here. Priddis had a better season BECAUSE GAJ got injured. Why are you arguing with nobody. Just like Taylor not getting in the 2023 AA team because he didn’t play enough games.

Ok, did he ‘play better.’?

Maybe he DID have a better season. He played a lot more games so yeah I suppose you could argue that.

Did he outplay him though?

That’s the implication you were trying to make initially and don’t back away from it because it was.

 

[Sewer de Lance]

Of the 6 mentioned, Dusty polls no higher then 5th, with Hird slotting into 6th place.

 

[STPer18]

Not a great day for the Martin-ers across the two threads/fronts. Looking forward to tomorrow to hear all about how Dustie is better than Ablett because reasons, and the day after that, and the day after that, and the day after that...A real battle of attrition this one.

 

[Fadge]

Priddis had a better season BECAUSE GAJ got injured.

This comment would only be logical if Priddis played in the same team as Ablett, and got opportunities because Ablett was out of the team injured. Even then, Priddis would have gone from the second banana at the Gold Coast to the first player targeted by the opposition, so wouldn't have eventuated.

But in reality, this statement sums up everything that is wrong about Falcon's 'logic'.

Oh my.

 

[Cleansweep17]

This comment would only be logical if Priddis played in the same team as Ablett, and got opportunities because Ablett was out of the team injured. Even then, Priddis would have gone from the second banana at the Gold Coast to the first player targeted by the opposition, so wouldn't have eventuated.

But in reality, this statement sums up everything that is wrong about Falcon's 'logic'.

Oh my.

Um what? GAJ was like Daicos this year. He would’ve won if not for injury and thus had a better year. I know you don’t agree with me on a lot, but seriously what’s wrong with saying that?

 

[Cleansweep17]

Ok, did he ‘play better.’?

Maybe he DID have a better season. He played a lot more games so yeah I suppose you could argue that.

Did he outplay him though?

That’s the implication you were trying to make initially and don’t back away from it because it was.

Ok now I think you are just arguing with me for the sake of it. If GAJ played more games he would’ve won the Brownlow and thus have had a better year. If you can’t agree with me on that you are just trolling.

Maybe this comment could get my first like from you but I doubt it. You are petrified of doing it, like a baby.

 

[Fadge]

Um what? GAJ was like Daicos this year. He would’ve won if not for injury and thus had a better year. I know you don’t agree with me on a lot, but seriously what’s wrong with saying that?

Huh?

 

[Cleansweep17]

Huh?

I honestly don’t know.

You said you didn’t like my logic about this for some reason.

 

[Back One Out]

Over their careers...

Gary Ablett Jr
Michael Voss
Chris Judd
Dustin Martin
Nathan Buckley
James Hird

Hird might've been no.2 or 3 if he hadn't missed so much footy due to injuries.




At their peak...

Dustin Martin
Chris Judd
Gary Ablett Jr
James Hird
Michael Voss
Nathan Buckley




That I enjoyed watching...

Gary Ablett Jr
Dustin Martin
Michael Voss
James Hird
Nathan Buckley
Chris Judd



Robert Harvey is chronically underrated by people on Big Footy. For some reason, he is always left out of these discussions. I think because of his longevity. People unfortunately remember him as the ageing warhorse in his mid 30's. I would rank him at 2 or 3 in my various categories above.

One of the gun midfielders of the comp at the tender age of 19 and still one of absolute gun mids at the age of 32. He was the Chris Judd of the 1990's. And my god, how dominant was he in the latter part of the 90's ? A ball-winning, inside/outside running machine with a killer sidestep who could not be stopped. None of the six players mentioned in this thread had such an enduring career at the top like Robert Harvey.

Absolute champion of the game who carried the Saints. Not his fault they couldn't win the flag.

 

[PhatBoy]

Ok now I think you are just arguing with me for the sake of it. If GAJ played more games he would’ve won the Brownlow and thus have had a better year. If you can’t agree with me on that you are just trolling.

Maybe this comment could get my first like from you but I doubt it. You are petrified of doing it, like a baby.

It’s not arguing for the sake of it or trolling it’s just what I think.

Why would I be petrified of liking a post of yours? I agreed with your post about rules. If you wrote something I agreed with I’d agree with it.

 

[Kreuuuzeurns]

Dusty got so overrated he became underrated.

 

[caveman72]

This comment would only be logical if Priddis played in the same team as Ablett, and got opportunities because Ablett was out of the team injured. Even then, Priddis would have gone from the second banana at the Gold Coast to the first player targeted by the opposition, so wouldn't have eventuated.

But in reality, this statement sums up everything that is wrong about Falcon's 'logic'.

Oh my.

Got to give him credit stands his ground like Monty Python's Black Knight

 

[Cleansweep17]

It’s not arguing for the sake of it or trolling it’s just what I think.

Why would I be petrified of liking a post of yours? I agreed with your post about rules. If you wrote something I agreed with I’d agree with it.

Ah yeah, I take it back

 

[cliffdrabble]

Should you reach the inevitable final exit from life, the world will really miss your intelligence.

1. Judd

The others sucked

 

[cliffdrabble]

Oops sorry mate!

Wasn't trying to upset you. Ablett indeed looks doomed, averaging right between number 1 and 2 (just like he was in the comp during his large block of prime years). Judd is a pretty clear second, Voss a pretty clear third. There really isn't much to split Martin, Buckley or Hird at all.

Let me know how the updated list looks in 30 years.

Exactly the order I would vote for. Ablett pips Judd as he was a better user of the ball, particularly by foot.

 

[ItsAllAboutMe]

I may be the only Carlton fan to ever say this but IMO Judd is vastly over rated in these conversations.. People draw back to his time at West Coast as peak Judd, when he was at WC he wasn’t half the player Ben Cousins was..

When he was at Carlton he was very good, but ultimately lead a team with 3 #1 picks to the highest ladder position of 5th.

James Hird on the other hand is under rated, outside of Carey he is the best leader in a footy field I have seen, and prob dragged his team to more wins than anyone else, was a phenomenal player who had the uncanny ability to always be in the right place at the right time, his stats never reflected the true impact he had on the game.

 

[Sttew]

Why are you arguing with nobody.

Cleansweep17 admits he is a nobody. Finally... we are getting somewhere

 

[Cleansweep17]

Cleansweep17 admits he is a nobody. Finally... we are getting somewhere

 

[Scritchyscroony]

Using AA and Bnf and Brownlow to rank them:

Ablett: 8, 6, 2
Buckley: 7, 6, 1
Judd: 6, 5, 2
Hird: 5, 5, 1
Voss: 5, 5, 1
Martin: 4, 2, 1

 

[Sttew]

Using AA and Bnf and Brownlow to rank them:

Ablett: 8, 6, 2
Buckley: 7, 6, 1
Judd: 6, 5, 2
Hird: 5, 5, 1
Voss: 5, 5, 1
Martin: 4, 2, 1

Interesting. Even if you included NS's Martin is not top 5

 

[Mr Meow]

Using AA and Bnf and Brownlow to rank them:

Ablett: 8, 6, 2
Buckley: 7, 6, 1
Judd: 6, 5, 2
Hird: 5, 5, 1
Voss: 5, 5, 1
Martin: 4, 2, 1

5 of those players have a really big B&F discrepancy to the 6th player.

 

[Scritchyscroony]

Interesting. Even if you included NS's Martin is not top 5

Based on objective data there's a clear top 3.
Buckley has been criminally underated in this thread.