Autopsy Rd 11 Carlton vs Essendon - So what did you get up to this weekend?

[HBF]

They put charcoal in their cheese in Germany.

Those crazy Germans

 

[Flapping Flappers]

we can't string 2 passes together because the players don't know where to run to get into positions to receive the ball.

our skills are terrible because the bloke kicking it has so few options

This.

 

[Talrahir]

People that are saying we have never been worse have a short memory. I remember a starting midfield in the early noughties being hotton, plunkett, hulme and Macdonald going up against Rehn, riccuito, liptak and McLeod at the first bounce.

I think what is most alarming about your post, is that its now nearly 19 years later, and people are still saying they haven't seen a worse team.

On a side note, i actually think our list is in fair shape, and I'm bullish on our youth.

Change is coming though.

 

[Dramoth]

Hurts me that Hawthorn have Sam Mitchell running their midfield and we have to make do with Barker.

****.

Don't forget Cam Bruce!

 

[dragonsblues]

I’ve been a big Bolton fan and definitely like how he had initial cleared a lot of the toxic culture around the place. Having said that I can’t see how he is around past this year, even after the bye if we don’t pick up a win.

For next year, we might need to go the Gold Coast route and pick up a bunch of cheapies to make us competitive. The club both on field and off field can’t sustain the last two years and it can’t be good for development getting smashed week in week out. VERY soon we are going to have a player retention issue.

I’m not too worry about swapping our #1 draft pick, because surely we will get a #2 priority pick this year. We are the worst side in the league by a very, very long way and the rule was brought in for this reason.

I definitely wouldn’t put my hand up if I was an aspiring coach, we are where coaching careers go to die. That said, we need to pay overs if need be to get some decent assistants in. Teague was a good get, need more.

All in all, I’m sure eventually it’ll turn but I can’t see it happening very soon. I’m incredibly concerned Cripps will leave which means our midfield will be disasterous.

I’ve been critical of the club panicking and getting rid of coaches and I really want Bolton to work - but if we don’t win next week or lose in a big way I think we need to release the pressure valve....

Thinking about all the other poor tortured Carlton supporting souls

 

[Beast__Mode]

Uber Ears delivery?

I love moussaka.

I’ll double batch next time

 

[Dramoth]

Can someone honestly tell me what Barker knows about being a midfielder?

I'm sure there are examples but can someone point to positional assistant coach who was highly successful that never played the position that they coached? Personally it's worse than having a coach who never played at the AFL level , at least Bolts played at some level.

Barker has coached every line and has been our head of high performance and strategy. We had 2 wins last year while he was in that role.

I've been saying for years that he is shit!

 

[Bostonian]

So this is what rock bottom feels like.

We're not there yet.

That'll happen when some of the only decent players we have leave in FA eventually.

Who could blame them.

 

[LemmingMaster]

I definitely wouldn’t put my hand up if I was an aspiring coach, we are where coaching careers go to die.

I would certainly put my hand up, we have such low expectations now. We actually have a fairly good young list of players.
With some solid coaching ability and a little faith, the rewards will be massive.
Carlton has a massive hidden supporter base just waiting for success, unlock those supporters and you can become a legend. (Coaching North will never really get you massive credit)

I think it is an amazing option, assuming our administration is not completely shot.

With regards to SOS, is it his selections that are bad or our coaching/support staff not getting the results?

Dow - He had questionable kicking before being drafted. Nothing is changed. (Cerra was my preference)
LOB - He was soft and kicking actually below average before being drafted. Nothing has changed. (Bonnar was my preference)

Those two recent selection raise a few questions.

 

[FRUMPY]

Well that was pathetic. I'm tipping Bolton be gone at the bye. This can't continue and players aren't playing for him. Otherwise he just plainly can't coach.

Alot of people on here in the pre season saying we didn't have deadwood anymore etc and were naming players we have let go to show how good the list is. Well I told them at the time we still have some deadwood. Fasolo has taken the 3 yrs and guaranteed wage, was cooked at the pies and gladly took the money. Lang is useless, always has been and I called it when we got him. Definition of dead wood.

Then add in Kennedy and Newman. Kennedy you can see why he was in the vfl. Not afl quality, in fact doesn't have one aspect of his game that is afl quality. Doesn't get the ball, slow, shit user, can't tackle or chase. Dead wood. As for Newman, Sydney supporters would be laughing. For anything good he does he will cost us a goal with a brainfade or turnover. sometimes those who are 'good' kicks try to kick the perfect pass or the impossible and stuff it up. That is him.

Dows kicking is a clear sign of what is wrong at the club. Player development is non existent. His kicking has not improved one iota.

The biggest indictment today was cripps. He has given up. I could imagine the calls if it was Murphy and he was still captain. Don't get me wrong, I understand why he would feel that way but today and the last few weeks have been not good enough. Mentally shot.

Usual suspects playing shit footy in Fisher, Dow, SPS. Cuningham and silvagni try but don't do enough or just make dumb errors. Plowman had a good 1st half but in the end got overwhelmed by their entries.

Our game plan of kick long to 3 talks doesn't work and essendon just put more men in that area and dominated.

Good players - kruezer, weitering, casboult, stocker, Charlie 2nd half. Setterfield was good at times and ed was ok in a tagging role.

2 more losses and Bolton has to go. I'm converted but I don't know what great coaching option is available?

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[bleednavyblue]

And then the Ashes

Amen

 

[Meddy43]

Cripps may well have made a statement today ...

If Cripps goes I’ll go bloody close to packing it in. I mean, I won’t. But I’ll consider it. **** me I hope we can improve.

 

[bigm386]

And the talent we have let go which has genrrally flourished in other clubs includes Betts, Touhy, Gibbs(?), Henderson, Waite, Garlett, Jacobs.....does the club really know what its doing?

Flourishing is a bit of a stretch....

Gibbs has been dropped twice. Henderson is injury prone. Thouhy still hacks the ball and hopes for the best. Garlett has been dropped a few times and is a fringe player. Waite was still too often injured or suspended.

The only two are Jacobs who was behind Kruzer and wanted to go home. Both are old now.

Betts was prior to this administration really and obviously stupid in hindsight.

 

[Jeffy38!]

I would rather have mullet, lamb and Rowe in this side than Faslolo, Lang and Kennedy.

 

[resolute_blue]

What the **** is going on?
Essendon were pretty shit today as I expected. Nothing special at all.
I tipped us
They were there for the taking and we offered up that performance. A 41 point loss is extremely disheartening and the manner in which it unfolded was shocking.

Stocker looks the goods. Dow burst is really nice but that disposal boy oh boy. Weiters, Charlie, Harry and Walsh were solid in patches.

Simmo, Daisy, Jones should be back but geez there are so many worrying signs...

Overall a bit bloody depressing but on the up side at least tomorrow is Monday...oh wait!

 

[chuncey]

I’ve been a big Bolton fan and definitely like how he had initial cleared a lot of the toxic culture around the place. Having said that I can’t see how he is around past this year, even after the bye if we don’t pick up a win.

For next year, we might need to go the Gold Coast route and pick up a bunch of cheapies to make us competitive. The club both on field and off field can’t sustain the last two years and it can’t be good for development getting smashed week in week out. VERY soon we are going to have a player retention issue.

I’m not too worry about swapping our #1 draft pick, because surely we will get a #2 priority pick this year. We are the worst side in the league by a very, very long way and the rule was brought in for this reason.

I definitely wouldn’t put my hand up if I was an aspiring coach, we are where coaching careers go to die. That said, we need to pay overs if need be to get some decent assistants in. Teague was a good get, need more.

All in all, I’m sure eventually it’ll turn but I can’t see it happening very soon. I’m incredibly concerned Cripps will leave which means our midfield will be disasterous.

I’ve been critical of the club panicking and getting rid of coaches and I really want Bolton to work - but if we don’t win next week or lose in a big way I think we need to release the pressure valve....

Thinking about all the other poor tortured Carlton supporting souls

Sorry, but Teague is the forward coach who presides over a forward line which includes McKay, Curnow and McGovern and kicks the ball high to Gibbons

And if you think the AFL will give us a first- round priority pick when we gave away pick 1 I’ve got a nice swamp you might like to buy.

 

[bleednavyblue]

Even more media and ex players will be ripping into our rotting corpse this week. Caro, Hutchy, Barrett etc will be feasting on whats left this week.

 

[Talrahir]

And the talent we have let go which has genrrally flourished in other clubs includes Betts, Touhy, Gibbs(?), Henderson, Waite, Garlett, Jacobs.....does the club really know what its doing?

I'm hurting today too, but i generally don't agree with what you've written.

Our list needed a makeover and maybe we did cut too deep, but we nearly all agreed at the time it was the way forward. The Betts situation was a horror show, but the rest was fair. We got a decent price for Touhy (who turns 30 this year) and Henderson (who also turns 30 this year). We got great value for Gibbs (30 this year too) who is now getting dropped for inconsistent effort, which many here would agree was always his caper.

Waite wanted more than we were willing to offer, and couldn't stay on the park. Jacobs was only young and was down the pecking order at the time, with MK doing better as a solo ruck. He wanted to go home.

Garlett was let go for lying to the club and his team-mates. They were trying to deal with a culture issue and sent the right message. I loved Jeffy. It is what it is.

Anyway, its easier to let our bias change the facts with hindsight. These players were never released because they were bad players, and I don't think any of them (except for maybe Jacobs) played any better when they left. They were all solid in their own way.

They were just currency in the wrong age bracket for a team that needed to rebuild its list.

 

[juzza316]

How good will it be watching a team that has actually had a decent reset next week? We can only dream.

 

[Dadda Dave]

I put up a new dart board in the garage........its a photo of BOLTONS ******* HEAD

Wow!!!! Pissed off much..

 

[Bordertoon]

In April 2017, we can all no doubt recall that under Bolts we beat the Bummers at the ‘G in seriously wet conditions. It was a heartwarming performance, in which we showed a better will to win and a far superior intensity than our opponent, and in which we adapted very well to the wet weather conditions. The contrast to today’s non-performance could hardly have been more stark. Ffs, we have just endured two goalless quarters and gifted * it’s lowest score against since 1989 (if I heard the commentators correctly - I may not have, because tbh I was pretty much catatonic by then).

Imo, with few exceptions (Weiters, Stocker, and Charlie spring to mind), today our players collectively showed no brains and little heart, and it certainly didn’t look to me like they were playing to keep hold of their embattled coach - quite the opposite, in fact. Apart from most looking bereft of talent (typically despite their high draft positions), our young players appeared confused, overwhelmed, and well down on belief, and over the past few weeks our more senior players and our only available co-captain have looked and acted like they are totally jaded and frustrated (Daisy’s undisciplined outburst against the ump, followed by his off-field brain explosion, is a case in point, as is Crippa’s recent downturn in form and his body language, which imo is morphing before our eyes from exasperated to defeatist).

To the extent that Bolts has ever been on top of his role and had buy-in from the players - which, personally, I think he has been and has had right up until the North debacle - 4 out of our last 5 performances suggest that he as a coach, and we as a club, have now badly lost our way. In short, our 2019 season and the whole rebuild appear completely off the rails, and getting them back on the rails without a new head coach is looking increasingly unlikely. The key issues for me are 1) whether Bolts is getting the most out of our list, and 2) whether our systems and structures are up to standard. Regrettably, on recent evidence, I would have to give him a big thumbs down on both of those scores - that is, we are underperforming badly, and we look clueless, especially around stoppages and when kicking inside 50. Of course, Bolts is definitely not the problem, but he’s now a big part of it imo, and the fact is that the head coach is always the part that can more easily be changed than many of the other contributing people and factors.

Imo, the question is rapidly changing from if Bolts will go, to when and how he will be replaced. I’m genuinely disappointed that things look like turning out this way, but imo there’s an enormous difference between trust and “sticking to the plan” on the one hand, and blind faith and a blank cheque for the coach on the other. Unfortunately, I think that we’ve crossed from one scenario to the other over the past month or so, and something has to give as far as I’m concerned. As a club, we’re facing some serious shit in the days, weeks, and months ahead, and imo how we negotiate those major challenges will have repercussions for years to come.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Pathetic

That’s all I have.

Are you my ex-wife?

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

In April 2017, we can all no doubt recall that under Bolts we beat the Bummers at the ‘G in seriously wet conditions. It was a heartwarming performance, in which we showed a better will to win and a far superior intensity than our opponent, and in which we adapted very well to the wet weather conditions. The contrast to today’s non-performance could hardly have been more stark. Ffs, we have just endured two goalless quarters and gifted * it’s lowest score against since 1989 (if I heard the commentators correctly - I may not have, because tbh I was pretty much catatonic by then).

Imo, with few exceptions (Weiters, Stocker, and Charlie spring to mind), today our players collectively showed no brains and little heart, and it certainly didn’t look to me like they were playing to keep hold of their embattled coach - quite the opposite, in fact. Apart from most looking bereft of talent (typically despite their draft positions), our young players appeared confused, overwhelmed, and well down on belief, and over the past few weeks our more senior players and our only available co-captain have looked and acted like they are totally jaded and frustrated (Daisy’s undisciplined outburst against the ump, followed by his off-field brain explosion, is a case in point, as is Crippa’s recent downturn in form and his body language, which imo is morphing before our eyes from exasperated to defeatist).

To the extent that Bolts has ever been on top of his role and had buy-in from the players - which, personally, I think he has been and has had right up until the North debacle - 4 out of our last 5 performances suggest that he as a coach, and we as a club, have now badly lost our way. In short, our 2019 season and the whole rebuild appear completely off the rails, and getting them back on the rails without a new head coach is looking increasingly unlikely. The key issues for me are 1) whether Bolts is getting the most out of our list, and 2) whether our systems and structures are up to standard. Regrettably, on recent evidence, I would have to give him a big thumbs down on both of those scores - that is, we are underperforming badly, and we look clueless, especially around stoppages and when kicking inside 50. Of course, Bolts is definitely not the problem, but he’s now a big part of it imo, and the fact is that the head coach is always the part that can more easily be changed than many of the other contributing people and factors.

Imo, the question is rapidly changing from if Bolts will go, to when and how he will be replaced. I’m genuinely disappointed that things look like turning out this way, but imo there’s an enormous difference between trust and “sticking to the plan” on the one hand, and blind faith and a blank cheque for the coach on the other. Unfortunately, I think that we’ve crossed from one scenario to the other over the past month or so, and something has to give as far as I’m concerned. As a club, we’re facing some serious **** in the days, weeks, and months ahead, and imo how we negotiate those major challenges will have repercussions for years to come.

Pretty sure it was 1968. They said we went on to beat the Bombers for the flag.

 

[Benaly28]

Half way through the season and I've been to 8 games live.

Every time I see boys against men. The difference is stark. Especially around the middle. Opposition now know if they target Cripps heavily we are in big trouble. Cripps today wasn't only tagged but hit from everywhere and no one helped him. No one blocks or heavily takes out a player. Not good enough. What is also an issue is the more mature players in Curnow Lang Plowman Fasolo, Newmans ball use were poor. Makes it bloody hard

The talent is there but it desperately needs help especially on ball. Very disappointed in Kennedy today.

One player I have nearly had enough of is Plowman. His positioning and lack of physicality is poor. I don't think he is a very good defender. Needs to go back to 2's and tried in another role. He's a mature player and doesn't do enough and makes too many mistakes and gets beaten way too often.

Positives: I liked SPS off HB. Stocker showing his class. Defence lead by Weitering did a good job despite midfield struggles. Setterfield just needs fitness. Walsh, Kruezer good

Soaps we don’t talk about Plowman as some posters on here are very sensitive about him so the less you say the better.Stocks is a beauty not sure if people notice but he kicks left and right foot reminds me a lot of Yarran will be good once builds a tank.

 

[Jeffy38!]

This team would make any coach cry, it was really bottom of the barrel for us today. Still, poor disposal, no intensity or composure and a lack of cohesion is alarming.