Preview Rd 20 Geelong v North Sat July 27 2024 145 pm @ Tassie

[catempire]

I'm firmly with Finknottle. I highly suspect those that don't rate Hardie haven't seen him play this year. He was clearly better than Bruhn last weekend. I'm not arguing that Hardie should've been selected ahead of Bruhn this week (purely due to age profile), but he definitely should have been selected ahead of Parfitt last week.

Maybe he won't be up to AFL level if he gets a go, but we know for certain that Parfitt isn't AFL level. If we're given games to guys like Parfitt and Bews, then Hardie certainly deserves his chance.

I am the complete opposite. I’ve seen too much of him. I don’t want to see any more. Look forward to the list spot being given to another candidate

 

[Warhorse]

I am the complete opposite. I’ve seen too much of him. I don’t want to see any more. Look forward to the list spot being given to another candidate

I'm think he deserved a game a few times but if we don't use him then free up the list spot for someone we will use

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Parfitt has offered Geel , 1000% of absolutely nothing for the best part of 3 years

The facts , he is a very ordinary kick , helicopters , floaters which are lucky to travel 40-45 metres , plus he has got no pace whatsoever , he is a shuffler . Sam Simpson who was cleared to the Perth Demons in the WAFL and he hasnt set the world on fire in that competition was a better footballer than Parfitt

Parfitt is most most fortunate player to have a Premiership medallion in my opinion , selected as sub in the 22 GF and he can thank his great mate C Scott for that , in my opinion a bizarre and unfair selection ahead of Menegola who was a far better footballer , kicked alot more goals for Geel and important goals in some games for Geel , and could kick a football properly , 60 metre drop punts with penetration

Menegola one of our more stiff players in recent times. Lots of good years service. Has a year during COVID in 2020 where he should have been All Australian. Lose a GF largely down to Martin being unstoppable and by the time we get it right and taste success his body has packed up on him.



One of my all time favourite passes during the game Danger went to FF and ruined Hodgey's 300th

 

[Warhorse]

Bruhn was comfortably the best player on ground in last week's VFL - main question in regards to him even during the match was if the cautious approach should have been taken or if he should have been straight back into the seniors. He was clearly a class above our other senior listed players

As for Parfitt playing last week, it was suggested by those in the know that Clohesy was in line to replace Atkins as the late change which would have left Parfitt as the carry-over not playing. It's when Neale was then also withdrawn that Parfitt edged out Ted for selection - and considering how Parfitt has played in the wet previously, can understand the thought process behind that call


But in regards to Hardie, where does he fit in now that we've clearly changed our structure and our core midfield rotation?

All season through to the Carlton game & even half-time of the Essendon game, each match we were running half a dozen odd players through the midfield rotation & centre bounce attendances - excluding our ruck, we'd often have 6/7 players with double digit CBAs

We made an obvious change during the Essendon, and from the time Stewart went into the guts against Essendon, that core midfield rotation is down to 3 with obvious support from one other - excluding SDK as ruck, now it's 4 players max with double digit CBAs

Dangerfield & Stewart are part of that core, along with Atkins (in his games) and they've been supported by Bowes. In Atkins absence last week it was Bowes & Parfitt rotating in during the first half, Holmes in the 3rd quarter and then we opened it up in the last after the match was lost

Based on his performances in the VFL, Hardie is best suited as an inside mid - who does he replace in that core rotation between Dangerfield, Stewart & this week Bruhn?

Hardie was best on ground but I fully understand the need to promote Bruhn

 

[BotsMaster]

 

[Spearman]

OK, I have no idea about this episode, but my guess NM fired up the Cats and got totally annihilated.

 

[And_ROOS]

OK, I have no idea about this episode, but my guess NM fired up the Cats and got totally annihilated.

I am guessing it was before the 2007 QF with Norf.

 

[STPer18]

OK, I have no idea about this episode, but my guess NM fired up the Cats and got totally annihilated.

That was the 2007 Qualifying Final. Geelong went on to win the match by a modest 106 points.

 

[BotsMaster]

OK, I have no idea about this episode, but my guess NM fired up the Cats and got totally annihilated.

Yep.

 

[Hamingja]

Jed is in for a farewell game while we rest tuohy. Hes not playing finals so whatever the problem is scott isnt picking him to solve it.

They would give him a farewell game in Geelong if that is what it was.

CS still playing to win.

We have revolved through the small defenders and ended up back at Jed.

 

[cats_09]

Some may be happy with this

 

[CHAWKTS]

Some may be happy with this

The difference of course with an interstate game is that they often take 3 but always take 2 emergencies. If they were taking all 3 then it can signal someone in doubt.

It might be that Stanley plays but it could also be it is a just in case (weather) and last minute decision? Rather than they have decided he is playing already.

 

[goyoucatters]

Parfitt is most most fortunate player to have a Premiership medallion in my opinion.

Interesting take.

In unrelated news, a certain W. Frampton says hi.

 

[moond0g]

Bruhn was comfortably the best player on ground in last week's VFL - main question in regards to him even during the match was if the cautious approach should have been taken or if he should have been straight back into the seniors. He was clearly a class above our other senior listed players

As for Parfitt playing last week, it was suggested by those in the know that Clohesy was in line to replace Atkins as the late change which would have left Parfitt as the carry-over not playing. It's when Neale was then also withdrawn that Parfitt edged out Ted for selection - and considering how Parfitt has played in the wet previously, can understand the thought process behind that call


But in regards to Hardie, where does he fit in now that we've clearly changed our structure and our core midfield rotation?

All season through to the Carlton game & even half-time of the Essendon game, each match we were running half a dozen odd players through the midfield rotation & centre bounce attendances - excluding our ruck, we'd often have 6/7 players with double digit CBAs

We made an obvious change during the Essendon, and from the time Stewart went into the guts against Essendon, that core midfield rotation is down to 3 with obvious support from one other - excluding SDK as ruck, now it's 4 players max with double digit CBAs

Dangerfield & Stewart are part of that core, along with Atkins (in his games) and they've been supported by Bowes. In Atkins absence last week it was Bowes & Parfitt rotating in during the first half, Holmes in the 3rd quarter and then we opened it up in the last after the match was lost

Based on his performances in the VFL, Hardie is best suited as an inside mid - who does he replace in that core rotation between Dangerfield, Stewart & this week Bruhn?

Prefacing this with the fact I've never seen Hardie play, so I don't have an opinion on him as a player. But I don't think we're that rigid with team selection that you can't move players around, we do it every week (as you've kind of outlined). So it would have been easy enough to include Hardie if they wanted. They played Parfitt and Clohesy last week, so there's no reason Hardie couldn't have played instead of one of them. And between rounds 9-15 he could have replaced any number of players (with some shuffling) considering how poorly our midfield were performing.

It's clear that they don't rate him, and they're probably right. But I think at a minimum he was deserving of a game during our 2 month run of losses to show whether or not his game translated to AFL level.

 

[The_Koulouriotis_Fan]

I've always liked Parfitt, felt like he was on the edge of taking the next step to a gun midfielder numerous times early in his career, maybe that was because he was behind prime midfielders Danger, Selwood and Kelly. But unfortunately he has just dropped off a cliff, looked good without starring early this year and I had hoped he'd found that spark, but the weekend (and he wasn't alone) was really bad and similar to 2023 when he was given opportunities. It's a shame, but this sport is cut throat and I think he's had his time.

 

[moond0g]

His body won't let him

Physically shot, and had to be convinced to play on this year as it is.

Big family man, and finally got his flag in '22. Can hardly blame the guy for losing the hunger, but it's just where we're at with him

Been a good servant, but we'd be better off playing anybody over 6'5 in the ruck over Stanley circa 2024.

Don't know why we've been bothering to make him run around in the VFL the past few weeks then? There's nothing to be gained from that. Might as well save him so that if he absolutely has to play in the AFL (e.g., SDK or Blitz get injured), he is able to.

 

[cats_09]

Interesting take.

In unrelated news, a certain W. Frampton says hi.

Surely it's not crazy to suggest that if Parfitt didn't get injured against the Bulldogs in round 12 (broken hand), he's likely in the starting 22 on grand final day

 

[bombersboy]

I'm firmly with Finknottle. I highly suspect those that don't rate Hardie haven't seen him play this year. He was clearly better than Bruhn last weekend. I'm not arguing that Hardie should've been selected ahead of Bruhn this week (purely due to age profile), but he definitely should have been selected ahead of Parfitt last week.

Maybe he won't be up to AFL level if he gets a go, but we know for certain that Parfitt isn't AFL level. If we're given games to guys like Parfitt and Bews, then Hardie certainly deserves his chance.

Interesting you think a player that has played 130 games of AFL football and is a Premiership player is not upto AFL standard. On your rating standard where do you put a player that is the same age and has played 0 games?

 

[bulletproof]

Surely it's not crazy to suggest that if Parfitt didn't get injured against the Bulldogs in round 12 (broken hand), he's likely in the starting 22 on grand final day

He was also very good in our final match of the home and away season that year. Was unlucky to be dropped. I actually think most people thought he would play in that first final.

The problems started after the Grand Final, he was a very worthy winner of his Premiership medal and it is quite mean spirited and wrong to say otherwise.

 

[BORIS332]

Interesting you think a player that has played 130 games of AFL football and is a Premiership player is not upto AFL standard. On your rating standard where do you put a player that is the same age and has played 0 games?

Parfitt is also the same age as Mannagh. Mannagh has played 5 games, does that mean Parfitt is better than Mannagh too? Ollie Henry has played 40 more games than Ollie Dempsey at the same age, does that make him the better player? The logic isn't stacking up...

 

[Vdubs]

I've always liked Parfitt, felt like he was on the edge of taking the next step to a gun midfielder numerous times early in his career, maybe that was because he was behind prime midfielders Danger, Selwood and Kelly. But unfortunately he has just dropped off a cliff, looked good without starring early this year and I had hoped he'd found that spark, but the weekend (and he wasn't alone) was really bad and similar to 2023 when he was given opportunities. It's a shame, but this sport is cut throat and I think he's had his time.

He was poor, and not alone. Hard game to really judge, and was there a hand injury? If he is named as emerg, not sure. In any case, he is only gone once CS says so.

 

[Vdubs]

Parfitt is also the same age as Mannagh. Mannagh has played 5 games, does that mean Parfitt is better than Mannagh too? Ollie Henry has played 40 more games than Ollie Dempsey at the same age, does that make him the better player? The logic isn't stacking up...

Parf overall is a better player than Mannagh, although not currently in form. People forget his really good games, and there were plenty. Every time he looked to be on the verge of big things- injury.
Recent issues, not sure what's happened, but playing VFL most of the season does not help

 

[cats_09]

He was also very good in our final match of the home and away season that year. Was unlucky to be dropped. I actually think most people thought he would play in that first final.

The problems started after the Grand Final, he was a very worthy winner of his Premiership medal and it is quite mean spirited and wrong to say otherwise.

The only thing he did wrong in 2022 was break his hand against the Bulldogs

He may never have become an elite mid in the top echelon, but he looked like he'd be a really solid B/B+ midfielder who'd play his role within the rotation

Not sure what happened over that next pre-season but he seems to have stalled and there's uncertainty with how he now fits into the team - would have no hard feelings if he finds a new team come October and was able to reignite his career

At the same time, not opposed to him being a late re-signing and us also utilising him in an off-field capacity as an indigenous liaison officer/ambassador, especially working with our indigenous youth as we often hear of him having a great relationship with them and acting as a mentor when they join the club

 

[Seeds]

100%.

We're also in a quasi-rebuild, and rightly or wrongly, Mitch Hardie won't be on the list in 2025, and therefore isn't in the plans for that rebuild.

Bruhn, Holmes, Clark, Bowes, Mannagh, Dempsey, Clohesy, and whoever else he's competing with for a spot will be, and that's why they're being prioritised.

That's without counting Dangerfield, Stewart, Duncan, Touhy, and to a much lesser degree MOC & Parfitt, who are also going to be given games ahead of him in positions he could play.

He's a very good VFL player - a level most could only dream of being - but that's all he is.

How do we know he is only a good vfl player if he never gets a go and a good go at afl first?

 

[bombersboy]

Parfitt is also the same age as Mannagh. Mannagh has played 5 games, does that mean Parfitt is better than Mannagh too? Ollie Henry has played 40 more games than Ollie Dempsey at the same age, does that make him the better player? The logic isn't stacking up...

My point was that a player who has played 130 games and is a Premiership player is obviously AFL standard.