I've done an early vote for as long as I can remember - in and out in 2 mins.
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That requires a greater level of organisation than I can muster. For reference, I've been trying to go and see The Creator for the last week and a half but keep failing.
I've also been keen to see that but the Gero cinema is a wasteland that I would rather avoid and am struggling to justify a trip to Perth just to go to the movies.
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This will be a 60/40 in favour of No.
What will be the more interesting thing is the effect on Albanese's approval rating (and consequently the chances of winning re-election) and whether it means there will be no more referenda for another two decades. The soft ball is (was) simple Indigenous recognition in the Constitution but Albo went one step further - don't know what advisors the ALP has but surely they knew that Australians are generally resistant to constitutional change and they should have done it one step at a time, starting with the easiest (merely recognising them as the First Nations people). Maybe he was too ambitious. Meh.
What will be the more interesting thing is the effect on Albanese's approval rating (and consequently the chances of winning re-election) and whether it means there will be no more referenda for another two decades. The soft ball is (was) simple Indigenous recognition in the Constitution but Albo went one step further - don't know what advisors the ALP has but surely they knew that Australians are generally resistant to constitutional change and they should have done it one step at a time, starting with the easiest (merely recognising them as the First Nations people). Maybe he was too ambitious. Meh.
My conspiracy theory is the Yes campaign was never intended to win. It's been so mishandled from the beginning it's hard to fathom the level of political incompetence required for it to not be deliberate. Even if it wins the structure, functions and powers of the Voice would be dependent on legislation that could be amended by the next government.
I'm looking forward to the post-mortem. And to getting John Farnham out of my head.
I'm looking forward to the post-mortem. And to getting John Farnham out of my head.
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Yeah it is difficult to fathom. Just needed a clear, unified, positive message that Indigenous people should be properly consulted for the decisions that impact them (and point to things like Djukan Gorge as what happens when they don't) but instead we got a mess that the No campaign was able to pounce upon. And instead of calling the No voters racist or ignorant, actually setting out properly how the Voice would come together, function and make recommendations and have it be delivered by legal experts, celebrities and respected people.
Greater success may be achieved with State level Voices. Dutton and co says they would have referenda on Indigenous recognition but no one seriously believes that. The Voice result today will be a setback to progressive politics in Australia.
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Referendums barely ever pass.
And it feels like there has been so much confusion and disinformation regarding how the Voice will actually practically function.
As is the case with most symbolic organisations.
This was never going to pass. Ultimately? Just a huge waste of money that has caused more divide.
And it feels like there has been so much confusion and disinformation regarding how the Voice will actually practically function.
As is the case with most symbolic organisations.
This was never going to pass. Ultimately? Just a huge waste of money that has caused more divide.
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A real-time crowd-sourced map of sausage and cake availability at Australian elections. It's practically part of the Australian Constitution. Or something. #demsausagedemocracysausage.org
If you’re truly in doubt, I think canvassing the views of Peter Dutton, Pauline Hanson and Clive Palmer and then voting the opposite of them is always a good rule of thumb.
My friend created that site and I have helped out in the past (2019 Federal election IIRC)
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Thats sweet/kids say the darndest things. Aubin Grove ps?
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I forgot the vote was on today. Quickly nipped down to the school expecting big lines, pamphlets getting shoved in my face, etc. But no, in and out in 60 seconds, no sausage sizzle, only a couple of Yes campaigners, it was extremely low key.
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Were they Yes campaigners or Yes campaigners?
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The Yes campaign has been woeful
They’ve haven’t managed to explain how it will work or why it will make things better for those it is being set up to help
It’s been to heavily reliant on the vibe of it being the right thing to do
Getting celebrities to push that message has been counterproductive because plebs don’t generally like being talked down to and lectured. Even if they do need to be educated a bit
Up until the last day or so I’ve been No but have changed my mind mainly because something needs to be done and the Voice isn’t going to impact me negatively
I also think it won’t work but it will make those who promoted it accountable when they **** it up. And if it does succeed by uplifting the lives of average indigenous communities then it’s done it’s job
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You basically just described me.
I don't fully understand it but I voted yes as I thought that's what indigenous people want - and what I gleaned from the videos by indigenous people attempting to explain it to my pea brain.
I know this is going to sound dumb also, but I would've been happier with (and I know it's probably impossible to make it work) but it being an indigenous only vote.
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I couldn't tell you how it works either. It hasn't even been drafted yet, has it? See, I don't even know.
I voted Yes but the multitudes will no doubt like to see some detail, or understand exactly why a change to the Constitution is needed.
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I think symbolic recognition of the original inhabitants of the land in our constitution is more important than anything else the referendum has in it.
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And if it had been two separate questions - recognition and the Voice - then recognition would have gotten up easily. But apparently the indigenous people (well, those of them involved in the Uluru statement) didn’t want just recognition as an option because they considered it pretty meaningless on its own.
I understand why Albanese went down the path of making it a simple question with no details. The republic referendum failed because people might have been in favour of a republic but they didn’t like the details. (Which incidentally was exactly what Howard wanted to happen).
But it’s backfired.
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