Richmond’s next senior coach

[SunshineBoy]

would not be surprised in Morris gets promoted to a senior coaches gig
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[Yappie dribbles]

All coaches staying under mini except lonergan

Xavier Clarke will be promoted to 2ic due to his close friendship with mini

Also expect an announcement that another of minis ex saint team mates has signed as an assistant

 

[TigerImposter]

I think the leadership should have a say in it. Players have to feel comfortable with whoever is coming in. That much we should have learnt from the years 1981 to 2008. And it's certainly a lesson Gale has learnt and in our interview with Chris Nash on Monday night he said as much. There's a reason we have the best admin in the AFL. Viva la Benny.

That’s a load of bs as they‘re players and not administrators. It’s not what they’re paid for and a few will also be moving on. The minute players start having a say in who their coach should be then they also have a say if he’s to go. That’s the old RFC that failed. Yes You got Benny right and there’s no way he’ll be doing as you’re stating as that would be amateur hour.

 

[captain blood 17]

That’s a load of bs as they‘re players and not administrators. It’s not what they’re paid for and a few will also be moving on. The minute players start having a say in who their coach should be then they also have a say if he’s to go. That’s the old RFC that failed. Yes You got Benny right and there’s no way he’ll be doing as you’re stating as that would be amateur hour.

Not at all. The workplace has changed and attitudes around culture has changed significantly. And that's in any business. It's not the 80's anymore. No one just walks in and tells people "how it is". Now we can debate the merits of how that is bad and good for sure. However, the one thing I can tell you (and I have successfully run businesses taking over $60 mill with over 100 plus employees), you need to have buy in and engagement of your team. Particualry the leaders. A sure fire way to run any business into the ground is to not do that. So 100% the key player leaders should have a say. At the end of the day, they have to work with with the incoming coach. But that's my working opinion and professional opinion. If you disagree, that's cool as well. But, I am just trying to help you and tell you this is how it works in a modern work place now.
To quote and old boss (and this is tongue in cheek) - "Why did the dinosaurs die?" Because they didn't adapt.

 

[Truetiger]

All coaches staying under mini except lonergan

Xavier Clarke will be promoted to 2ic due to his close friendship with mini

Also expect an announcement that another of minis ex saint team mates has signed as an assistant

Will be interesting if Mini gets the job he might want others outside the club, as his assistants.

 

[Muddiemoose]

Not at all. The workplace has changed and attitudes around culture has changed significantly. And that's in any business. It's not the 80's anymore. No one just walks in and tells people "how it is". Now we can debate the merits of how that is bad and good for sure. However, the one thing I can tell you (and I have successfully run businesses taking over $60 mill with over 100 plus employees), you need to have buy in and engagement of your team. Particualry the leaders. A sure fire way to run any business into the ground is to not do that. So 100% the key player leaders should have a say. At the end of the day, they have to work with with the incoming coach. But that's my working opinion and professional opinion. If you disagree, that's cool as well. But, I am just trying to help you and tell you this is how it works in a modern work place now.
To quote and old boss (and this is tongue in cheek) - "Why did the dinosaurs die?" Because they didn't adapt.

100% todays players are a different bread and like organisations are as well

Gone are the days of autocratic systems where the orders are given from the top down and don’t ask any questions

People can have the debate about if that’s a bad thing or not but the reality is that organisations that have two way communication and people from all levels opinion respected and taken into account absolutely matters

Look at Fly at Collingwood and Dimma post 2016 it was about fostering relationships with players and they won’t pick a coach that they feel will cause division in the playing group

 

[Meteoric Rise]

That’s a load of bs as they‘re players and not administrators. It’s not what they’re paid for and a few will also be moving on. The minute players start having a say in who their coach should be then they also have a say if he’s to go. That’s the old RFC that failed. Yes You got Benny right and there’s no way he’ll be doing as you’re stating as that would be amateur hour.

That would be a weird way to make such a key decision by totally cutting one category of key stake holders out of the decision making process.

 

[TigerImposter]

Not at all. The workplace has changed and attitudes around culture has changed significantly. And that's in any business. It's not the 80's anymore. No one just walks in and tells people "how it is". Now we can debate the merits of how that is bad and good for sure. However, the one thing I can tell you (and I have successfully run businesses taking over $60 mill with over 100 plus employees), you need to have buy in and engagement of your team. Particualry the leaders. A sure fire way to run any business into the ground is to not do that. So 100% the key player leaders should have a say. At the end of the day, they have to work with with the incoming coach. But that's my working opinion and professional opinion. If you disagree, that's cool as well. But, I am just trying to help you and tell you this is how it works in a modern work place now.
To quote and old boss (and this is tongue in cheek) - "Why did the dinosaurs die?" Because they didn't adapt.

Sorry you’re making things up as the minute players have a say in selecting the coach then the four walls start to break down. I couldn’t give a damn about your personal career in business unless it’s an AFL club. The players never selected DH originally and that was the end of 09. You’ve told me nothing, but a whole lot of good pub talk nonsense.

 

[TigerImposter]

That would be a weird way to make such a key decision by totally cutting one category of key stake holders out of the decision making process.

No DH wasn’t picked by the players. Since when have players started having a say?

 

[tropicaltiger]

Also expect an announcement that another of minis ex saint team mates has signed as an assistant

 

[Meteoric Rise]

No DH wasn’t picked by the players. Since when have players started having a say?

Nothing has changed about making these type of decisions and nothing ever will change. You consult all stakeholders and consider their position and then make your decision.

The players shouldn't be picking the coach, but neither should any other stakeholder. The person/people in the position should be and will be making the final decision. Essentially, you would presume Brendan Gale or a panel appointed to consider the question will run a process, then make a recommendation to the directors, who are likely to accept the recommendation. That person or panel will not be foolish enough to exclude the thoughts of a such a key stakeholder category as the players from the process. Why would you even think that would be a good idea?

Also, are you saying Hardwick was appointed without any discussions taking place with any players about what they saw as desirable traits in a new coach? What evidence is there to suggest this was the case?

 

[captain blood 17]

100% todays players are a different bread and like organisations are as well

Gone are the days of autocratic systems where the orders are given from the top down and don’t ask any questions

People can have the debate about if that’s a bad thing or not but the reality is that organisations that have two way communication and people from all levels opinion respected and taken into account absolutely matters

Look at Fly at Collingwood and Dimma post 2016 it was about fostering relationships with players and they won’t pick a coach that they feel will cause division in the playing group

Correct.

 

[captain blood 17]

Sorry you’re making things up as the minute players have a say in selecting the coach then the four walls start to break down. I couldn’t give a damn about your personal career in business unless it’s an AFL club. The players never selected DH originally and that was the end of 09. You’ve told me nothing, but a whole lot of good pub talk nonsense.

Ok. I guess this is where we leave it. We’ll see whose more in touch and closer to the mark when the time comes. Good luck.

 

[captain blood 17]

Nothing has changed about making these type of decisions and nothing ever will change. You consult all stakeholders and consider their position and then make your decision.

The players shouldn't be picking the coach, but neither should any other stakeholder. The person/people in the position should be and will be making the final decision. Essentially, you would presume Brendan Gale or a panel appointed to consider the question will run a process, then make a recommendation to the directors, who are likely to accept the recommendation. That person or panel will not be foolish enough to exclude the thoughts of a such a key stakeholder category as the players from the process. Why would you even think that would be a good idea?

Also, are you saying Hardwick was appointed without any discussions taking place with any players about what they saw as desirable traits in a new coach? What evidence is there to suggest this was the case?

Again, correct.

 

[TigerImposter]

Ok. I guess this is where we leave it. We’ll see whose more in touch and closer to the mark when the time comes. Good luck.

Yeah we will see who’s on the interviewing panel if it gets to that.

 

[TigerImposter]

Nothing has changed about making these type of decisions and nothing ever will change. You consult all stakeholders and consider their position and then make your decision.

The players shouldn't be picking the coach, but neither should any other stakeholder. The person/people in the position should be and will be making the final decision. Essentially, you would presume Brendan Gale or a panel appointed to consider the question will run a process, then make a recommendation to the directors, who are likely to accept the recommendation. That person or panel will not be foolish enough to exclude the thoughts of a such a key stakeholder category as the players from the process. Why would you even think that would be a good idea?

Also, are you saying Hardwick was appointed without any discussions taking place with any players about what they saw as desirable traits in a new coach? What evidence is there to suggest this was the case?

Bc players weren’t on the panel interviewing.

 

[captain blood 17]

Yeah we will see who’s on the interviewing panel if it gets to that.

And we’ll see if leadership is consulted etc.

 

[captain blood 17]

Bc players weren’t on the panel interviewing.

No one has said that. I don’t think you’re actually understanding what people are saying here.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

Bc players weren’t on the panel interviewing.

There is a big gap between players not being on the panel selecting the new coach on one hand, and players being cut out of having any say at all on the other hand. The latter is what your initial claim was.

That’s a load of bs as they‘re players and not administrators. It’s not what they’re paid for and a few will also be moving on. The minute players start having a say in who their coach should be then they also have a say if he’s to go. That’s the old RFC that failed. Yes You got Benny right and there’s no way he’ll be doing as you’re stating as that would be amateur hour.

Sorry you’re making things up as the minute players have a say in selecting the coach then the four walls start to break down. I couldn’t give a damn about your personal career in business unless it’s an AFL club. The players never selected DH originally and that was the end of 09. You’ve told me nothing, but a whole lot of good pub talk nonsense.

No DH wasn’t picked by the players. Since when have players started having a say?

 

[TigerImposter]

No one has said that. I don’t think you’re actually understanding what people are saying here.

Yes I do , but the story has changed from your first post on selection. You said leadership group should have a say in it

 

[TigerImposter]

There is a big gap between players not being on the panel selecting the new coach on one hand, and players being cut out of having any say at all on the other hand. The latter is what your initial claim was.

And I stand by them as they’re players and not administrators or other members of a coaching panel. What would be the point in having a panel if players give their feedback. Especially when the team has just lost their coach Bc he couldn’t get them going? Madness and nonsense on stilts.

 

[Truetiger]

Players are allowed to provide feedback, like everyone else. In the end the club have the final say when they take everything into account. As usual everyone has a view let’s focus on who we should get. We win today Mini another step in the right direction.

 

[All Aust]

You consult all stakeholders and consider their position and then make your decision.

The players shouldn't be picking the coach, but neither should any other stakeholder. The person/people in the position should be and will be making the final decision.

The standard for business. Rare to never that everyone is pleased but if it can be demonstrated that a "real" inclusive consultation process has been undertaken, then there is a general acceptance of decisions. This has been the working case under the Peggy / Gale years with outstanding business outcomes.

 

[domin8]

I actually would not mind RFC try something different with the coach.

A lot of the players coming out and backing Mini is not a good thing because we do not want the tail to wag the dog and it is about winning premierships not necessarily the players at a point in time.

I would not mind a shared coach scenario where Mini and his assistant, switches his rule with another coach and his or her assistant on a week by week basis. Of course all coaches would be privy to the coaching going on of each interaction with full transparency so they would not be in competition, rather it would be a team effort. There could be no underhanded ness. That way the coaches have less pressure getting sacked after Dimma and development can be a focus without worrying about wins and losses straight away. I have nothing against Mini but the status quo/more of the same scenario is not ideal, some kind of refresh would be nice, even for the players to hear a different perspective. I actually think a decision can be had after the season, I see no reason to rush it right yet. In fact if two joint senior coaches on less where prepared to work together for less that would be a rare scenario that could help them create a more robust scenario where they are less likely to be sacked initially because it would be a rare scenario the club would be interested to see how it develops if the players have buy in where ideas are shared and the overall goal is to maximise opportunity to make the team better and develop the players

After a period like a year or two a overall coach can be determined or even later if appropriate but I see no rush. One of the coaches or both might get poached by other clubs as newish but with a rare form of experience in the coaching field

The main focus is list management and development given we do not appear to be in contention right now

I am not saying we are rebuilding because clubs are rebuilding all the time, or should be. Rather commentators like to bang on about the rebuild coach having no chance. As a result if RFC employed two joint coaches that would mitigate the risk and pressure of a coach getting sacked when development was a focus and it certainly would be more difficult for others to blame a singular coach and give each joint coach a far better chance to develop, grow, along with the team improving their prospects along with the team down the track

Yessssssss this is right up your alley. Absolute ridiculousness

 

[domin8]

Sorry you’re making things up as the minute players have a say in selecting the coach then the four walls start to break down. I couldn’t give a damn about your personal career in business unless it’s an AFL club. The players never selected DH originally and that was the end of 09. You’ve told me nothing, but a whole lot of good pub talk nonsense.

You’ll be completely naive to think the players aren’t consulted. Especially the leaders. Times have changed TI.