Club Focus Richmond 2024

[Ticky009]

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[Forty3]

Very good chance Richmond could enter this draft with 4 picks inside the top 10 and potentially 6 in the first round.

Don't think this club is going to be down for long.

 

[THE_GUN]

Very good chance Richmond could enter this draft with 4 picks inside the top 10 and potentially 6 in the first round.

Don't think this club is going to be down for long.

Really depends on what Baker decides and if there are any truths to the Rioli talk

Looking at our current hand you would say we already have 4 inside 30'ish

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

You really dont get it

I don't see you getting Brisbane or Gold Coasts pick without losing a player to get a pick in the teens somewhere. Look at what Dogs gave up for the GC pick.

Hopefully they fix the bidding this year as well so teams need actual decent picks to match bids. Richmond current picks are insufficient for pick 6

 

[tiger_tough]

Very good chance Richmond could enter this draft with 4 picks inside the top 10 and potentially 6 in the first round.

Don't think this club is going to be down for long.

That'd be great, but no chance.

 

[Ash1337]

I don't see you getting Brisbane or Gold Coasts pick without losing a player to get a pick in the teens somewhere. Look at what Dogs gave up for the GC pick.

Hopefully they fix the bidding this year as well so teams need actual decent picks to match bids. Richmond current picks are insufficient for pick 6

Dogs didn't have multiple 2nd and 3rd round picks for suns pick 5 and it was wasn't just pick 5 dogs got. I also don't think Lions will stay bottom 6. They may end up just short of finals. There's also no restrictions to future picks for this year while they rework the system for next year.

 

[THE_GUN]

I don't see you getting Brisbane or Gold Coasts pick without losing a player to get a pick in the teens somewhere. Look at what Dogs gave up for the GC pick.

Hopefully they fix the bidding this year as well so teams need actual decent picks to match bids. Richmond current picks are insufficient for pick 6

Thats not going to happen this year and i would bet anything you like on that
Way too many trades have been conducted last year with preparation to the father sons and academy bids in mind.

I agree its the biggest rort around and must be fixed but wont be for this years draft

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Dogs didn't have multiple 2nd and 3rd round picks for suns pick 5 and it was wasn't just pick 5 dogs got. I also don't think Lions will stay bottom 6. They may end up just short of finals. There's also no restrictions to future picks for this year while they rework the system for next year.

Look at the picks Richmond currently have, Brisbane will get better offers than that. Brisbane's year is shot, it will be a top 10 pick

 

[THE_GUN]

Look at the picks Richmond currently have, Brisbane will get better offers than that. Brisbane's year is shot, it will be a top 10 pick

Can you give an example of the teams that would offer better picks that dont get swallowed up in a #2 Richmond bid

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Can you give an example of the teams that would offer better picks that dont get swallowed up in a #2 Richmond bid

I'll believe the "wink wink" we won't bid plays any part in any trading with one team over another the day I hear it out of a list managers mouth. Otherwise, plenty of suggestions have been given already.

You can gloat at me and the other dude if it miraculously happens but Tigers aren't getting that Brisbane pick with their current picks.

 

[THE_GUN]

I'll believe the "wink wink" we won't bid plays any part in any trading with one team over another the day I hear it out of a list managers mouth. Otherwise, plenty of suggestions have been given already.

You can gloat at me and the other dude if it miraculously happens but Tigers aren't getting that Brisbane pick with their current picks.

Mate we all live in the real world here

If i am doing a deal with you that will benefit me there is no way im stabbing you in the back (you wont hear that from the clubs as its draft tampering)
All the clubs know this and i dont believe teams have ever bid on a player when they have done trades ib the same trade period. it actually wouldnt even need to be mentioned

Brisbane have 2 players with Ashcropt expected to be top 3 and Marshall looking like a top 30 at worst
Richmond could trade 40, 41, 51, 58 +F3 to brisbane for #7 then after both players have been taken with the points Richmond and Brisbane could do a trade to swap brisbanes F2 for Richmonds #22

Benefits for Brisbane

• Take both Ashcroft & Marshall with rubbish picks and Still get an early 2nd rounder back in this years draft
• Ashcrodt doesnt get a bid atleast until pick #3 saving 300 points

But even if they do find a better trade which may still be possible that still leaves GC 2 x Early picks 9/11 that would also get wiped with the Lombard bid.

But im pretty sure first in will be best dressed and Richmond even without trading out players will have 5 picks inside 30 and most likely 3 inside 20

Richmond have a very strong hand this year not only with our finishing position but with the picks we hold and amount of clubs that will be looking to trade out their 1st rounders

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Mate we all live in the real world here

If i am doing a deal with you that will benefit me there is no way im stabbing you in the back (you wont hear that from the clubs as its draft tampering)
All the clubs know this and i dont believe teams have ever bid on a player when they have done trades ib the same trade period. it actually wouldnt even need to be mentioned

Brisbane have 2 players with Ashcropt expected to be top 3 and Marshall looking like a top 30 at worst
Richmond could trade 40, 41, 51, 58 +F3 to brisbane for #7 then after both players have been taken with the points Richmond and Brisbane could do a trade to swap brisbanes F2 for Richmonds #22

Benefits for Brisbane

• Take both Ashcroft & Marshall with rubbish picks and Still get an early 2nd rounder back in this years draft
• Ashcrodt doesnt get a bid atleast until pick #3 saving 300 points

But even if they do find a better trade which may still be possible that still leaves GC 2 x Early picks 9/11 that would also get wiped with the Lombard bid.

But im pretty sure first in will be best dressed and Richmond even without trading out players will have 5 picks inside 30 and most likely 3 inside 20

Richmond have a very strong hand this year not only with our finishing position but with the picks we hold and amount of clubs that will be looking to trade out their 1st rounders

"We live in the real world" then you propose one of the nuffiest trades I have ever seen. Now your talking about getting a top 10 pick AND a future 2nd with the current hand. That trade, promises or not, is not even close haha, you're normally not THIS level of silly.

First in best dressed? Why? Brisbane aren't in going to be in a rush to trade, why not wait to see who has what and what offers come in? You can literally trade picks up to draft night.

 

[THE_GUN]

"We live in the real world" then you propose one of the nuffiest trades I have ever seen. Now your talking about getting a top 10 pick AND a future 2nd with the current hand. That trade, promises or not, is not even close haha, you're normally not THIS level of silly.

First in best dressed? Why? Brisbane aren't in going to be in a rush to trade, why not wait to see who has what and what offers come in? You can literally trade picks up to draft night.

I really love the way you have slanted things

Perhaps you missed the part about Brisbane getting pick #22 in this years draft in exchange for a future pick most likely in the 30's

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

I really love the way you have slanted things

Perhaps you missed the part about Brisbane getting pick #22 in this years draft in exchange for a future pick most likely in the 30's

No, I got it, your current picks except 33 (cant be too generous) from 22 and below for currently pick 7 and a future 2nd of a currently bottom 8 team.


Elixuh I'm sure Brisbane would sign now if they could...

 

[THE_GUN]

No, I got it, your current picks except 33 (cant be too generous) from 22 and below for currently pick 7 and a future 2nd of a currently bottom 8 team.
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Elixuh I'm sure Brisbane would sign now if they could...

And add another 300 points for The non bid and it looks perfect whilst giving brisbane a pick to get back into this years draft

Love to see your thinking about which team would offer a better deal to Brisbane

* Not to mention that Next years future picks are valued alot less than current years picks , Im sure you have mentioned that in the past multiple times

 

[rye]

brisbane will be unlikely to have anything enticing enough to get ahead of where the ashcroft bid will fall. most likely thing the club will do is try trade whatever our first ends up being into next year and accrue junk points through other means. should be fielding some decent offers for the pick given how the season is projecting.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

And add another 300 points for The non bid and it looks perfect whilst giving brisbane a pick to get back into this years draft

Love to see your thinking about which team would offer a better deal to Brisbane

Compare it to Dogs and tell me it's anywhere near it?

The trade period hasn't even started but it shapes as a doozy, picks will be all over the place but Freo can easily blow past that offer (and we need quality over quantity), GWS love moving up and will picks. Maybe Sydney go 18/19 and a future 1st. There's plenty of options. I can't believe you think months the state of picks months out from trade period means Richmond have it locked up.

If Richmond get the pick, Baker or Rioli will be involved through a 3rd party

 

[THE_GUN]

Compare it to Dogs and tell me it's anywhere near it?

The trade period hasn't even started but it shapes as a doozy, picks will be all over the place but Freo can easily blow past that offer (and we need quality over quantity), GWS love moving up and will picks. Maybe Sydney go 18/19 and a future 1st. There's plenty of options. I can't believe you think months the state of picks months out from trade period means Richmond have it locked up.

If Richmond get the pick, Baker or Rioli will be involved through a 3rd party

All the clubs you have mentioned actually put the lions in exact same position
whilst they get better picks these picks are still going to be wiped off with bids

Anyway agree to disagree but im sure Richmond will be getting a 1st round pick for the rubbish picks either from Bris, GC , Crows, Blues there are just too many clubs this year that need to move out their 1st rounders

Also i font believe we have it 'Locked up' More that we are the most likely
also dont believe the Lions will remain this low and will improve up the ladder so that pick would likely be later

 

[Ctl]

No, I got it, your current picks except 33 (cant be too generous) from 22 and below for currently pick 7 and a future 2nd of a currently bottom 8 team.
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Elixuh I'm sure Brisbane would sign now if they could...

Why are Brisbane trading out pick 30?

Unless another club can come up with 2500 ish points and a future first, Richmond will have the lions first round pick, this was the plan all the way back in the 2023 draft and we we kept trading down. I don’t think Brisbane are going to be too difficult if the net outcome of trading their first pick (likely to be 10 or higher) gets them Ashcroft (top 3 pick) and Marshall (top 20 pick)

The dogs and suns trade is not a comparable situation as the dogs willingly overpaid they were still getting two top 15 talents in Sanders and Croft as a father son, so they effectively traded 3 first round picks for 2

 

[FB19]

Important draft for the tigers. Other option is trade back with suns for 3 top 20 picks for pick 2 given there’s no Harley Reid, also the quality and depth of the draft and suns wanting to get head of the Leo Lombard bid. 8,11,20,22 and then add a few more top 20 picks for trades and packaging later picks for bids and that’s a great platform to rebuild quickly.

 

[boncer34]

Why are Brisbane trading out pick 30?

Unless another club can come up with 2500 ish points and a future first, Richmond will have the lions first round pick, this was the plan all the way back in the 2023 draft and we we kept trading down. I don’t think Brisbane are going to be too difficult if the net outcome of trading their first pick (likely to be 10 or higher) gets them Ashcroft (top 3 pick) and Marshall (top 20 pick)

The dogs and suns trade is not a comparable situation as the dogs willingly overpaid they were still getting two top 15 talents in Sanders and Croft as a father son, so they effectively traded 3 first round picks for 2

Do Brisbane know this?

 

[Maybe Tomorrow]

Important draft for the tigers. Other option is trade back with suns for 3 top 20 picks for pick 2 given there’s no Harley Reid, also the quality and depth of the draft and suns wanting to get head of the Leo Lombard bid. 8,11,20,22 and then add a few more top 20 picks for trades and packaging later picks for bids and that’s a great platform to rebuild quickly.

Not sure the Suns will want to get ahead of the Lombard bid. They need picks for next year where there are several highly rated youngsters.

Richmond should not trade away pick 2 imo. Better two or three picks as high as possible rather than lots in the 10's and 20's.

 

[Dr Tigris]

There are many teams wanting to trade picks for points this year which makes it likely that a few strange trades will occur. The tigers are perfectly set up to get a great draft hand.

And teams like Brisbane and Carlton will end up with a great pick up.

A lot of picks worth decent points will come into play, possibly in a complex series of trades that evolve as we go through the trade period.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Why are Brisbane trading out pick 30?

Unless another club can come up with 2500 ish points and a future first, Richmond will have the lions first round pick, this was the plan all the way back in the 2023 draft and we we kept trading down. I don’t think Brisbane are going to be too difficult if the net outcome of trading their first pick (likely to be 10 or higher) gets them Ashcroft (top 3 pick) and Marshall (top 20 pick)

The dogs and suns trade is not a comparable situation as the dogs willingly overpaid they were still getting two top 15 talents in Sanders and Croft as a father son, so they effectively traded 3 first round picks for 2

The pick 30 is the future 2nd Brisbane are giving up in Guns trade. I think you guys are getting ahead of yourselves. I'm sure the Richmond plan was to have a stock of picks to trade up with point getters, getting a top 10 pick with the hand is slightly different though.

Regardless of the reasons for Dogs overpaying, history says you need like 30-50% more points to move higher and it seems to get closer to 50% the higher you go. The current value of picks just doesn't cut it but I'm sure you'll be able to get there after a player or two moves out. Richmond definitely are set up well for points merchants

 

[boncer34]

The pick 30 is the future 2nd Brisbane are giving up in Guns trade. I think you guys are getting ahead of yourselves. I'm sure the Richmond plan was to have a stock of picks to trade up with point getters, getting a top 10 pick with the hand is slightly different though.

Regardless of the reasons for Dogs overpaying, history says you need like 30-50% more points to move higher and it seems to get closer to 50% the higher you go. The current value of picks just doesn't cut it but I'm sure you'll be able to get there after a player or two moves out. Richmond definitely are set up well for points merchants

I feel like I'm missing something.

To get enough points for Brisbane's current first the Tigers need to give up 22, 33 and 40. And even if we assume that the bare minimum is enough to satisfy Brisbane the remaining picks for Richmond only add up to a early 2nd.

Are we assuming someone's giving up a first for Baker to give them this 3rd first rounder?

 

[Footy Smarts]

The pick 30 is the future 2nd Brisbane are giving up in Guns trade. I think you guys are getting ahead of yourselves. I'm sure the Richmond plan was to have a stock of picks to trade up with point getters, getting a top 10 pick with the hand is slightly different though.

Regardless of the reasons for Dogs overpaying, history says you need like 30-50% more points to move higher and it seems to get closer to 50% the higher you go. The current value of picks just doesn't cut it but I'm sure you'll be able to get there after a player or two moves out. Richmond definitely are set up well for points merchants

Yep. You'd think Carlton's first is gettable if they go deep in finals. But if Brisbane finish with a pick well inside 10 they'll probably want a future first and some points this year rather than just points this year.